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Question about this confusing cosmology, and what tier this cosmology qualify?

Rakih_Elyan

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So, i read a novel. The novel theme is very interesting, it is about the journey of a (young) man to his true divine origin with his (father) mentor while learning many thing along his journey, like the nature of humanity, concept of religion, a lot of philosophical idea, etc. And the world building around the cosmology are very much well done(i think).

So there is a world that have hundred of layer with the upper layer are more superior than the lower one, the comparison is destroying a house in the lower layer are easier than breaking a pen in the upper one. The conceptual thing that made the layer are more complex the more you ascend, so that a conceptual defense can be pierced by a person from the higher layer easily. A single layer consist of a single universe from which the universe are formed into a multiverse through many world theory that actualized by the creator of this entire world, until the fifth layer where the single universe are changed into infinite number of universe with the actualized many world theory. Each ten layer the spacial dimension are increased, like the tenth layer where the world are 4D, twentieth layer where the world are 5D and go on until the final layer which is 13D.

And this entire world are just a single of many dream of The dream god, Morpheus, he control the entirety of the dream and know everything inside it, altering the plot and fate of all interesting character in his dream like an author writing a novel. Outside the dream is real three dimensional space-time universe, it is explained that Morpheus dream are real just like a real world, the protagonist say that he can feel everything inside the dream like energy, material thing, memory, self and can't differ it from the actual reality. The higher dimension inside Morpheus dream are fake dimension, it is as real as the actual dimension like a simulated 4 dimensional object inside a three dimensional computer.

The protagonist make the entire dream into reality and move forth to reach his true destination. There is four level of reality(and unreality) in the omniverse, the name follow kabbalah four world: Assiah, Yetzirah, Beriah and the last is Atziluth. Assiah is the realm of matter and action, Yetzirah is the realm of concept that form the world, Beriah is the realm of Ex Nihilio where all concept are created, and the last is the realm of Atziluth, the realm of true infinity, true eternity, the source of everything, where all creation begin and end, also named Tao by the eastern gods.

The Omniverse is called the sea of creations, Morpheus dreams is just one of the infinitely expanding multiverse that made the sea of creation, There is many different Multiverse inside the sea of creation, each having their own rules, law and dimensionality. Some of the multiverse have infinite number of spatial dimension, some of them dont even have dimensionality. Above the sea of creation is another sea of creation which is infinitely larger than the lower one, and above them is another, the ladder upward the sea of creation is endless. Lurking between these sea is cosmic beast whose the smallest are comparable to a multiverse and embody a macrocosm inside them.

In the middle of them is mount sumeru as an axis mundi. It's size dwarfed even the infinite hierarchy of the sea of creation that it's peak pierced the endless sea of creation. it's size is growing exponentially the more you observe it, its size and dimensionality grow even beyond Aleph Omega. This mountain exist beyond reality and unreality on the realm of Beriah.
Outside of all of this is the realm of Atziluth, It's encompass absolute infinity, it is the source of everything, this where not even not existence even exist, it is the beginning and the end, it existence contradict everything for it's cover everything yet outside of everything, it is beyond anything that can be imagined even by the gods, all duality stem from this single unity. Inhabited by Chief gods who can still retain their identity even after becoming one with Atziluth.

Beyond all of them is Adam Kadmon, the true creator from which Atziluth is just his emanation. Beyond him is the outer gods, the personification of the true unknown that prevade even Adam Kadmon, completely uncomprehible even to the creator himself.

The protagonist soon realized that everything included the outer gods are just fiction and transcended the border of fiction into the false reality through the connection of the true source, in that reality he is a protagonist of many occult works that amalgamazed into him. He made his entire fiction real and told by his father that everything that human thought are realized by the will of the true source including this fake reality and tell him to ascend this infinite hierarcy of story to become one with the source.
 
So, i read a novel. The novel theme is very interesting, it is about the journey of a (young) man to his true divine origin with his (father) mentor while learning many thing along his journey, like the nature of humanity, concept of religion, a lot of philosophical idea, etc. And the world building around the cosmology are very much well done(i think).

So there is a world that have hundred of layer with the upper layer are more superior than the lower one, the comparison is destroying a house in the lower layer are easier than breaking a pen in the upper one. The conceptual thing that made the layer are more complex the more you ascend, so that a conceptual defense can be pierced by a person from the higher layer easily. A single layer consist of a single universe from which the universe are formed into a multiverse through many world theory that actualized by the creator of this entire world, until the fifth layer where the single universe are changed into infinite number of universe with the actualized many world theory. Each ten layer the spacial dimension are increased, like the tenth layer where the world are 4D, twentieth layer where the world are 5D and go on until the final layer which is 13D.
1B
And this entire world are just a single of many dream of The dream god, Morpheus, he control the entirety of the dream and know everything inside it, altering the plot and fate of all interesting character in his dream like an author writing a novel. Outside the dream is real three dimensional space-time universe, it is explained that Morpheus dream are real just like a real world, the protagonist say that he can feel everything inside the dream like energy, material thing, memory, self and can't differ it from the actual reality. The higher dimension inside Morpheus dream are fake dimension, it is as real as the actual dimension like a simulated 4 dimensional object inside a three dimensional computer.
1B possibly 1A
The protagonist make the entire dream into reality and move forth to reach his true destination. There is four level of reality(and unreality) in the omniverse, the name follow kabbalah four world: Assiah, Yetzirah, Beriah and the last is Atziluth. Assiah is the realm of matter and action, Yetzirah is the realm of concept that form the world, Beriah is the realm of Ex Nihilio where all concept are created, and the last is the realm of Atziluth, the realm of true infinity, true eternity, the source of everything, where all creation begin and end, also named Tao by the eastern gods.
possibly 1A
The Omniverse is called the sea of creations, Morpheus dreams is just one of the infinitely expanding multiverse that made the sea of creation, There is many different Multiverse inside the sea of creation, each having their own rules, law and dimensionality. Some of the multiverse have infinite number of spatial dimension, some of them dont even have dimensionality. Above the sea of creation is another sea of creation which is infinitely larger than the lower one, and above them is another, the ladder upward the sea of creation is endless. Lurking between these sea is cosmic beast whose the smallest are comparable to a multiverse and embody a macrocosm inside them.
1A+
In the middle of them is mount sumeru as an axis mundi. It's size dwarfed even the infinite hierarchy of the sea of creation that it's peak pierced the endless sea of creation. it's size is growing exponentially the more you observe it, its size and dimensionality grow even beyond Aleph Omega. This mountain exist beyond reality and unreality on the realm of Beriah.
Outside of all of this is the realm of Atziluth, It's encompass absolute infinity, it is the source of everything, this where not even not existence even exist, it is the beginning and the end, it existence contradict everything for it's cover everything yet outside of everything, it is beyond anything that can be imagined even by the gods, all duality stem from this single unity. Inhabited by Chief gods who can still retain their identity even after becoming one with Atziluth.
High 1A
Beyond all of them is Adam Kadmon, the true creator from which Atziluth is just his emanation. Beyond him is the outer gods, the personification of the true unknown that prevade even Adam Kadmon, completely uncomprehible even to the creator himself.

The protagonist soon realized that everything included the outer gods are just fiction and transcended the border of fiction into the false reality through the connection of the true source, in that reality he is a protagonist of many occult works that amalgamazed into him. He made his entire fiction real and told by his father that everything that human thought are realized by the will of the true source including this fake reality and tell him to ascend this infinite hierarcy of story to become one with the source.
High 1A

what verse is it from?
 
1B

1B possibly 1A

possibly 1A

1A+

High 1A

High 1A

what verse is it from?
How high into 1-A is the sea of creation?
How high is Adam Kadmon?
How about the outer gods?
Also the EOS Protagonist transcend them all did he qualify for tier 0?
 
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So, i read a novel. The novel theme is very interesting, it is about the journey of a (young) man to his true divine origin with his (father) mentor while learning many thing along his journey, like the nature of humanity, concept of religion, a lot of philosophical idea, etc. And the world building around the cosmology are very much well done(i think).

So there is a world that have hundred of layer with the upper layer are more superior than the lower one, the comparison is destroying a house in the lower layer are easier than breaking a pen in the upper one. The conceptual thing that made the layer are more complex the more you ascend, so that a conceptual defense can be pierced by a person from the higher layer easily. A single layer consist of a single universe from which the universe are formed into a multiverse through many world theory that actualized by the creator of this entire world, until the fifth layer where the single universe are changed into infinite number of universe with the actualized many world theory. Each ten layer the spacial dimension are increased, like the tenth layer where the world are 4D, twentieth layer where the world are 5D and go on until the final layer which is 13D.

And this entire world are just a single of many dream of The dream god, Morpheus, he control the entirety of the dream and know everything inside it, altering the plot and fate of all interesting character in his dream like an author writing a novel. Outside the dream is real three dimensional space-time universe, it is explained that Morpheus dream are real just like a real world, the protagonist say that he can feel everything inside the dream like energy, material thing, memory, self and can't differ it from the actual reality. The higher dimension inside Morpheus dream are fake dimension, it is as real as the actual dimension like a simulated 4 dimensional object inside a three dimensional computer.

The protagonist make the entire dream into reality and move forth to reach his true destination. There is four level of reality(and unreality) in the omniverse, the name follow kabbalah four world: Assiah, Yetzirah, Beriah and the last is Atziluth. Assiah is the realm of matter and action, Yetzirah is the realm of concept that form the world, Beriah is the realm of Ex Nihilio where all concept are created, and the last is the realm of Atziluth, the realm of true infinity, true eternity, the source of everything, where all creation begin and end, also named Tao by the eastern gods.

The Omniverse is called the sea of creations, Morpheus dreams is just one of the infinitely expanding multiverse that made the sea of creation, There is many different Multiverse inside the sea of creation, each having their own rules, law and dimensionality. Some of the multiverse have infinite number of spatial dimension, some of them dont even have dimensionality. Above the sea of creation is another sea of creation which is infinitely larger than the lower one, and above them is another, the ladder upward the sea of creation is endless. Lurking between these sea is cosmic beast whose the smallest are comparable to a multiverse and embody a macrocosm inside them.

In the middle of them is mount sumeru as an axis mundi. It's size dwarfed even the infinite hierarchy of the sea of creation that it's peak pierced the endless sea of creation. it's size is growing exponentially the more you observe it, its size and dimensionality grow even beyond Aleph Omega. This mountain exist beyond reality and unreality on the realm of Beriah.
Outside of all of this is the realm of Atziluth, It's encompass absolute infinity, it is the source of everything, this where not even not existence even exist, it is the beginning and the end, it existence contradict everything for it's cover everything yet outside of everything, it is beyond anything that can be imagined even by the gods, all duality stem from this single unity. Inhabited by Chief gods who can still retain their identity even after becoming one with Atziluth.

Beyond all of them is Adam Kadmon, the true creator from which Atziluth is just his emanation. Beyond him is the outer gods, the personification of the true unknown that prevade even Adam Kadmon, completely uncomprehible even to the creator himself.

The protagonist soon realized that everything included the outer gods are just fiction and transcended the border of fiction into the false reality through the connection of the true source, in that reality he is a protagonist of many occult works that amalgamazed into him. He made his entire fiction real and told by his father that everything that human thought are realized by the will of the true source including this fake reality and tell him to ascend this infinite hierarcy of story to become one with the source.
Depends on the evidence presented and what the quotes actually say.
 
It is in Indonesian, this is just a simple summary of that f**king complex cosmology.
And a summary can't be used to accurately determine the size of a verse. Only by gathering quotes and scans and having a thread created can the evidence be analysed and a tier determined.

Threads such as this one serve no purpose as they lack actual evidence to give an actual tier, and a summary can have misinterpretations and unintentional additions that make any speculative tier inaccurate.
 
And a summary can't be used to accurately determine the size of a verse. Only by gathering quotes and scans and having a thread created can the evidence be analysed and a tier determined.

Threads such as this one serve no purpose as they lack actual evidence to give an actual tier, and a summary can have misinterpretations and unintentional additions that make any speculative tier inaccurate.
Did you understand indonesia or should i translate it for you?
 
Did you understand indonesia or should i translate it for you?
Just save the effort and spend the time instead gathering the evidence and forming an actual CRT. My opinion here changes nothing, as only an actual CRT can lead to changes.
 
Just save the effort and spend the time instead gathering the evidence and forming an actual CRT. My opinion here changes nothing, as only an actual CRT can lead to changes.
I am pretty sure he was asking for our opinion and not applying it in the wiki
 
So, i read a novel. The novel theme is very interesting, it is about the journey of a (young) man to his true divine origin with his (father) mentor while learning many thing along his journey, like the nature of humanity, concept of religion, a lot of philosophical idea, etc. And the world building around the cosmology are very much well done(i think).

So there is a world that have hundred of layer with the upper layer are more superior than the lower one, the comparison is destroying a house in the lower layer are easier than breaking a pen in the upper one. The conceptual thing that made the layer are more complex the more you ascend, so that a conceptual defense can be pierced by a person from the higher layer easily. A single layer consist of a single universe from which the universe are formed into a multiverse through many world theory that actualized by the creator of this entire world, until the fifth layer where the single universe are changed into infinite number of universe with the actualized many world theory. Each ten layer the spacial dimension are increased, like the tenth layer where the world are 4D, twentieth layer where the world are 5D and go on until the final layer which is 13D.

And this entire world are just a single of many dream of The dream god, Morpheus, he control the entirety of the dream and know everything inside it, altering the plot and fate of all interesting character in his dream like an author writing a novel. Outside the dream is real three dimensional space-time universe, it is explained that Morpheus dream are real just like a real world, the protagonist say that he can feel everything inside the dream like energy, material thing, memory, self and can't differ it from the actual reality. The higher dimension inside Morpheus dream are fake dimension, it is as real as the actual dimension like a simulated 4 dimensional object inside a three dimensional computer.

The protagonist make the entire dream into reality and move forth to reach his true destination. There is four level of reality(and unreality) in the omniverse, the name follow kabbalah four world: Assiah, Yetzirah, Beriah and the last is Atziluth. Assiah is the realm of matter and action, Yetzirah is the realm of concept that form the world, Beriah is the realm of Ex Nihilio where all concept are created, and the last is the realm of Atziluth, the realm of true infinity, true eternity, the source of everything, where all creation begin and end, also named Tao by the eastern gods.

The Omniverse is called the sea of creations, Morpheus dreams is just one of the infinitely expanding multiverse that made the sea of creation, There is many different Multiverse inside the sea of creation, each having their own rules, law and dimensionality. Some of the multiverse have infinite number of spatial dimension, some of them dont even have dimensionality. Above the sea of creation is another sea of creation which is infinitely larger than the lower one, and above them is another, the ladder upward the sea of creation is endless. Lurking between these sea is cosmic beast whose the smallest are comparable to a multiverse and embody a macrocosm inside them.

In the middle of them is mount sumeru as an axis mundi. It's size dwarfed even the infinite hierarchy of the sea of creation that it's peak pierced the endless sea of creation. it's size is growing exponentially the more you observe it, its size and dimensionality grow even beyond Aleph Omega. This mountain exist beyond reality and unreality on the realm of Beriah.
Outside of all of this is the realm of Atziluth, It's encompass absolute infinity, it is the source of everything, this where not even not existence even exist, it is the beginning and the end, it existence contradict everything for it's cover everything yet outside of everything, it is beyond anything that can be imagined even by the gods, all duality stem from this single unity. Inhabited by Chief gods who can still retain their identity even after becoming one with Atziluth.

Beyond all of them is Adam Kadmon, the true creator from which Atziluth is just his emanation. Beyond him is the outer gods, the personification of the true unknown that prevade even Adam Kadmon, completely uncomprehible even to the creator himself.

The protagonist soon realized that everything included the outer gods are just fiction and transcended the border of fiction into the false reality through the connection of the true source, in that reality he is a protagonist of many occult works that amalgamazed into him. He made his entire fiction real and told by his father that everything that human thought are realized by the will of the true source including this fake reality and tell him to ascend this infinite hierarcy of story to become one with the source.
What is the title? Is it even an actual published stories?
Where to read it?

I'm Indonesian, but never heard of this kind of stories.

Sounds like the author know dimensional scaling kek
 
What is the title? Is it even an actual published stories?
Where to read it?

I'm Indonesian, but never heard of this kind of stories.

Sounds like the author know dimensional scaling kek
Unpublished for now he is asking my opinion on his work.
Nanti dah ane kasih sama quotesnya yang menyangkut kosmologi ini novel.
 
I don't know which reason he jumped from 1-B to 1-A directly.
Might be the whole, the higher dimensions of this realm are actually only born from the dreams of a being in the real 3rd dimension. This raises the possibility that it doesn't matter if it's 5D, 13D, or even Inf-D, their fake dimensions are compared to the real 3rd dimension. Would still be Low 1-A though.

Kind of like the Blue and White Series.
 
Might be the whole, the higher dimensions of this realm are actually only born from the dreams of a being in the real 3rd dimension. This raises the possibility that it doesn't matter if it's 5D, 13D, or even Inf-D, their fake dimensions are compared to the real 3rd dimension. Would still be Low 1-A though.

Kind of like the Blue and White Series.
Which one? the sea of creation or Atziluth?
 
Might be the whole, the higher dimensions of this realm are actually only born from the dreams of a being in the real 3rd dimension. This raises the possibility that it doesn't matter if it's 5D, 13D, or even Inf-D, their fake dimensions are compared to the real 3rd dimension. Would still be Low 1-A though.

Kind of like the Blue and White Series.
Oh and the gods (except the chief ones) are on the realm of beriah, so they are beyond the concept of dimension.
 
Unpublished for now he is asking my opinion on his work.
Nanti dah ane kasih sama quotesnya yang menyangkut kosmologi ini novel.
Ehhh, I already thought so as much.
The author is creating his own Original Story, no wonder it has so much scaling stuff.

Well, I'm with Everything12 here.
A summary cannot do justice to the actual scale because:

a). You might be exaggerating it, or omitting some important fact when writing the summary or b). the author when giving you the summary may have exaggerated something or perhaps he might change it later down the line.

Not blaming you here, mate. Mind you.
Just again, a summary cannot do justice.
 
Might be the whole, the higher dimensions of this realm are actually only born from the dreams of a being in the real 3rd dimension. This raises the possibility that it doesn't matter if it's 5D, 13D, or even Inf-D, their fake dimensions are compared to the real 3rd dimension. Would still be Low 1-A though.

Kind of like the Blue and White Series.
Ya it sounds copycat lmfao
 
Ehhh, I already thought so as much.
The author is creating his own Original Story, no wonder it has so much scaling stuff.

Well, I'm with Everything12 here.
A summary cannot do justice to the actual scale because:

a). You might be exaggerating it, or omitting some important fact when writing the summary or b). the author when giving you the summary may have exaggerated something or perhaps he might change it later down the line.
Bukan summary ***, quotes langsung dari novelnya.
When i got times i will type it here.
 
Better create a sandbox in the wiki and put everything there, but I doubt this will be passed anyway.
 
Better create a sandbox in the wiki and put everything there, but I doubt this will be passed anyway.
It still dont have an english version, so. Maybe when the author ask me to translate his novel to english.
 
Anyway, I agree with Setsuna's Tiering, though I would change the possibly 1-A to Low 1-A. As for whether or not this verse can be added, it depends on how popular it gets when your friend publishes it and if it gets translated.
 
Anyway, I agree with Setsuna's Tiering, though I would change the possibly 1-A to Low 1-A. As for whether or not this verse can be added, it depends on how popular it gets when your friend publishes it and if it gets translated.
Well thanks for that, i will ask him later.
 
Also, when you say “him”, did he just create the verse to get that high? Because no way wiki will accept this.
 
Also, when you say “him”, did he just create the verse to get that high? Because no way wiki will accept this.
Actually no, this novel is form of his self therapy about struggling and hardship. This work also criticize the materialistic view of humanity and their dry spiritualism. The reason the verse get so high is because the mc is one of his personality and want to return to the origin itself. The Author, with the experience of hardship and many thing that the protagonist learn.
 
Actually no, this novel is form of his self therapy about struggling and hardship. This work also criticize the materialistic view of humanity and their dry spiritualism. The reason the verse get so high is because the mc is one of his personality and want to return to the origin itself. The Author, with the experience of hardship and many thing that the protagonist learn.
Does not matter how much info you are going to convince me, this is nowhere even a valid novel itself.
  • Fake Dimensions
  • R>F interaction statement (Even blatant)
  • Mentioning “transcending” 100 times
  • Chief Gods
  • Cthulu mythos
  • Absolute Infinity
  • He literally copied NEP 2 from our Standard
  • Outer God
  • Adam Kadmon
  • Infinite hierachy
And no clue if there are other stolen terms, I see no originality whatsoever.
And the reason the author got that high, is just for battle boarding, and he did not even publish it yet, because he is taking our opinion to see if he will get boundless tier or not.

Ya, no, it won't be passed here, alone the fact that he is friended with a power scaler/VS Battle member alike u.
 
Does not matter how much info you are going to convince me, this is nowhere even a valid novel itself.
  • Fake Dimensions
  • R>F interaction statement (Even blatant)
  • Mentioning “transcending” 100 times
  • Chief Gods
  • Cthulu mythos
  • Absolute Infinity
  • He literally copied NEP 2 from our Standard
  • Outer God
  • Adam Kadmon
  • Infinite hierachy
And no clue if there are other stolen terms, I see no originality whatsoever.
And the reason the author got that high, is just for battle boarding, and he did not even publish it yet, because he is taking our opinion to see if he will get boundless tier or not.

Ya, no, it won't be passed here, alone the fact that he is friended with a power scaler/VS Battle member alike u.
No?
He isnt trying to power scale, and for god sake he is an occultist and philosophy student A Real one at that. I just want to present his work here just for the sake of curiosity. He didnt even know about this.
He is a numerologist, 100 layer is from his interpertation of numerology He also mentioned SAO, cthulhu mythos is the form of unknown. And infinity is just him trying to create another occultist work with numerology and playing with it. And chief gods is just a head gods like Zeus, Odin, etc from another mythology because he is an occultist and mythology enthusiast.
And the entire point He is practiciant of Qabalah (Especially The left hand draconic path), by no way you say that he know all of this from VSBW, it is insulting to him ya know?
This is just one of the work that he want to include his lifetime of learning into a novel about spirituality and metaphysic.
About blatant R>F i dont even know, it is just his thought experiment.
Before you spouting about Adam Kadmon practice Qabalah first.
 
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Does not matter how much info you are going to convince me, this is nowhere even a valid novel itself.
  • Fake Dimensions
  • R>F interaction statement (Even blatant)
  • Mentioning “transcending” 100 times
  • Chief Gods
  • Cthulu mythos
  • Absolute Infinity
  • He literally copied NEP 2 from our Standard
  • Outer God
  • Adam Kadmon
  • Infinite hierachy
And no clue if there are other stolen terms, I see no originality whatsoever.
And the reason the author got that high, is just for battle boarding, and he did not even publish it yet, because he is taking our opinion to see if he will get boundless tier or not.

Ya, no, it won't be passed here, alone the fact that he is friended with a power scaler/VS Battle member alike u.
Isn't a lot of fiction in VSBW are like this?
 
It is somehow kinda impracticable to convince me. Sorry. Vs Battle won't accept this type of novel.
So many unoriginality usages in this novel as well as there is the intention of power scaling (if you want to, or he wants to)

Also, where is evidence he got no clue about the community if you both are friended? You are aware that friendship with the publisher/author is already enough reason for not accepting the novel in wiki.
Isn't a lot of fiction in VSBW are like this?
Using all of these terms in one novel? Damn, I doubt it, lol. No.
But outside the wiki, yes, a lot of them are used for power scaling.
 
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