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Question about : Above-All-Others and The One Above All

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Above-All-Others an avatar of The One Above All or not.

I'm sorry that the thread this may Bruh I really don't know about them.
 
No, they are basically meant to be the same entity. I forgot why we list them differently now. It don't make much sense
 
Confluctor said:
No, they are basically meant to be the same entity. I forgot why we list them differently now. It don't make much sense
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It was because the Above all Others is the In-Universe depiction of the The One Above All, which exists beyond all depictions and descriptions.
 
Vasco said:
Some Comic book fans say shit that aren't written in the book.
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My man, go to YouTube and there are people who will say shit like this "above all others is just infinitely small avatar of one above all" and "one above all is above the writers"
 
Going by the final "Defenders: Beyond" comic book, it seems like The One Above All is not longer an author avatar, but rather "just" Marvel Comics' in-universe supreme being and driving creative force, given that it referred to the author of the comic book in question as separate from itself.

I strongly recommend that all knowledgeable Marvel Comics supporter in this forum read all 10 of Al Ewing's Defenders comic books, and try to rationally evaluate them as well as they are able, so we can reevaluate the information in our profile pages based on them.
 
Anyway, I do not mind if we merge together the two entries now.
 
Is it just me or did they nerf one above all hard? Like defenders can easily comprehend his presence and can oppose him.
 
Not oppose him, but the Blue Marvel indirectly stated that The House of Ideas and the OAA are simply the highest degree of reality that they can reach (due to just being comic book characters) and define per definition, but that there are things that are vastly beyond that scale (in the real world), and that this is simply where action-oriented consumerism ends and the work as a creator (artistic or otherwise) begins.
 
Well, the OAA spoke of something called The Enigma, which is beyond them.
 
Gasper said:
Didn't yet read the new defenders, what do you mean?
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He is the Primal Creative Force of the creations but he seemingly has Creators of his own, seemingly the Authors, not really "Above All" as his name implies. Just the highest reality in the Marvel Comic I guess.
 
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Immortalgodd said:
He is the Primal Creative Force of the creations but he seemingly has Creators of his own, seemingly the Authors, not really "Above All" as his name implies. Just the highest reality in the Marvel Comic I guess.
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Just you wait till we hear "true form one above all" arguments. LMAOO
 
Immortalgodd said:
He is the Primal Creative Force of the creations but he seemingly has Creators of his own, seemingly the Authors, not really "Above All" as his name implies. Just the highest reality in the Marvel Comic I guess.
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Yes, but that likely efers to that he is still just a fictional character in this case.
 
Gasper said:
That's pure headcanon and it isn't stated anywhere in comics.
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I just feel like that makes the most sense to me. But feel free to argue. And with the new Defenders Beyond comic, the nature of TOAA changes so that doesn't really matter
 
Timeless said:
I just feel like that makes the most sense to me. But feel free to argue. And with the new Defenders Beyond comic, the nature of TOAA changes so that doesn't really matter
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I mean, what was the reason the two where considered different characters again?
 
Gasper said:
I mean, what was the reason the two where considered different characters again?
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It's more of how their depicted. There's a supreme Abrahamic style god and then there's the on that's the writers. So that's the main difference
 
Antvasima said:
Not oppose him, but the Blue Marvel indirectly stated that The House of Ideas and the OAA are simply the highest degree of reality that they can reach (due to just being comic book characters) and define per definition, but that there are things that are vastly beyond that scale (in the real world), and that this is simply where action-oriented consumerism ends and the work as a creator (artistic or otherwise) begins
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Since the highest scale the Defenders can reach is the House of Ideas, how would we define Billy Kaplan/Wiccan/Demiurge's feat of stepping outside the very comic itself and rewriting it on the same level as an author/the writers? Since that's clearly a level of control that's beyond the House of idea's. Even The Beyonder could only accomplish his self-narrative retcon while inside the House and after confronting OAA. But Wiccan never did anything like that. So wouldn't his level of control be scaled to the same degree as OAA but without the House?

This appears to be outside of even the House of Ideas-
 
I do not think that we can mix different author intentions in that manner. We willhave to wait and see what is done in that regard.
 
Timeless said:
It's more of how their depicted. There's a supreme Abrahamic style god and then there's the on that's the writers. So that's the main difference
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This reasoning is quite flawed when it comes to a character like TOAA whose existence is malleable, something we see in the story itself. Second of all, when Thanos absorbs becomes Above All Others he becomes us, the readers who are reading Infinity Ending, with the implication being that he is everything in our world rather than just a writer. So, not really a reason to separate them.
 
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Immortalgodd said:
Its McDonalds.
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It's a joke regarding the Defenders comic book picture related to the crown over everything with the hamburgers and destroyed forests to produce the meat involved, mirroring various real world problems.
 
The Enigma's identity has finally been revealed. It is......Nathaniel Essex aka the original Mister Sinister. So it doesn't count as being above the TOAA/AAO.
 
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