Qualitive Superiority disqualifier question

[Brogeefrong]

If lets say there's a group of items when together grant 1-A levels of power/statistics, however when split apart don't show 1-A levels of statistic's but still show 1-A levels of hax
Does that disqualify it from 1-A?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Yep it would because non 1A cant become 1A.
The items where not 1A to begin with

 

[Huesito88]

Yep it would because non 1A cant become 1A.
The items where not 1A to begin with

So the object/item themselves would need some sort of abstract avatar of themselves in order to bypass this or does that not work?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

If lets say there's a group of items when together grant 1-A levels of power/statistics, however when split apart don't show 1-A levels of statistic's but still show 1-A levels of hax
Does that disqualify it from 1-A?

Only if the source of their power is rooted in a 1-A reality or entity:

However, there are ways to bypass this barrier. For example, a non-1-A can be empowered by a higher entity into being able to influence things on a qualitatively superior level. This can happen either by a straightforward power boost, or by means of some innate metaphysical potential rooted in something from a higher reality (This can include both characters who are converted into natives of higher planes and characters who are physically lower-dimensional but have 1-A statistics). In neither case is the capability to reach into the higher level something emergent from the structure of the lower level, and therefore they are acceptable ways to get around the above hurdles.

Otherwise:

The first practical effect of this fact is that the power of a 1-A character cannot be dispersed so much that it reaches into a lower tier. Since there is no conceivable extension of any lower tier that can yield equality to a 1-A structure, neither can there be any subdivision (Even an infinite subdivision) of 1-A that reduces down into such tiers. Unless, of course, this division is somehow non-quantitative in nature (i.e. The results of the division are not actually numerical "chunks" of the character's power); however, this should be made reasonably clear by statements or through background context.

Secondly, a 1-A level cannot be attained by a process in which the lower level quantitatively "adds up" to itself to break through into the higher one, due to the total lack of structural continuity between the two; the higher level cannot be attained, nor expressed by, any expansions of the lower one, and therefore things from the latter cannot interfere with the former by means of their own lower existences. Put simply: A non-1-A cannot reach the level of 1-A by appealing to another non-1-A

 

[Brogeefrong]

Only if the source of their power is rooted in a 1-A reality or entity:

Otherwise:

Would it automatically be qualified as a non-quantitative division or does it need to be proven?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Would it automatically be qualified as a non-quantitative division or does it need to be proven?

Need to be proven. In this case, most helpful would be a statement along the lines of this union between the items enabling full charity from the higher reality, be it metaphysical potential or blessings/bestowals. Without this union, the items could still draw power from the higher reality on a lesser scale and gain 1-A smurf hax.

On the matter of power sources: That would depend on the nature of the power source itself. For example, a common trope in fiction is power sources that, so to speak, are "for the taking," meaning they are naturally self-diffusive and don't offer any resistance whatsoever to being tapped into, as being utilized in such a way is in their nafure. Drawing power from such sources is obviously not actually an anti-feat for them being 1-A, especially so if they are depicted as naturally connected to, and united with, the beings that tap into them.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Need to be proven. In this case, most helpful would be a statement along the lines of this union between the items enabling full charity from the higher reality, be it metaphysical potential or blessings/bestowals. Without this union, the items could still draw power from the higher reality on a lesser scale and gain 1-A smurf hax.

Would being able to gain more energy out of the Higher reality or statements of being comparatively limitless in comparison work aswell?

 

[Brogeefrong]

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