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Eficiente.... What? How were these profiles even made? Who believed like half of these stuff was ok? A lot of stuff here is so wrong I can't even wrap my head around it.
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Eficiente.... What? How were these profiles even made? Who believed like half of these stuff was ok? A lot of stuff here is so wrong I can't even wrap my head around it.
The entire point of this thread is to remove profiles unacceptable by the wiki’s standards.Not really gonna argue this since Kirby isn't my cookie in the cookie jar, but, shouldn't shitty profiles have CRT's made for them so they are improved instead of outright obliterating them from existence?
Meh, maybe I'm stupid, I honestly don't care :/ Just don't really agree with deleting profiles outright when you could use whatever knowledge you have to fix them. Stuff needs to be revised, sometimes drastically, ain't no big woop.The entire point of this thread is to remove profiles unacceptable by the wiki’s standards.
So this implies Michael Jordan can shake a building. What's next? Mike Tyson shakes a city block?Attack Potency: Athlete level (Comparable to King Dedede, who can shake his entire castle)
Some of these kirby pages are not very good. They're not listed on the verse page right now for some reason, but that's for the better. The pages in the category https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Kirby_of_the_Stars_(Mie_Takase's_novels) should be removed if nobody knows how to fix them, because their entire AP category is rather wacky. All the AP justifications go back to kirby, so let's deal with what's on his file.
Attack Potency: Athlete level (Comparable to King Dedede, who can shake his entire castle)
What.
In all seriousness, this doesn't link to a calc. It links to a quote, with no further elaboration as to how shaking a castle is somehow 10-A. The quote doesn't talk about how it's really tiny or made of paper or anything, so this is really weird. This also just doesn't source kirby being comparable to dedede at all, which is what you'd want to do on a file.
likely Country level (If King Dedede is comparable to the master, who can breath a flame that can burn the country of Dream Land to ashes. By Dedede's unintelligent, unreliable word, he can easily beat it in 1 blow, and the more earnest "woodkeeper" believed Dedede could fight the master and trusted his life in this event after decades of waiting an opportunity like this),
A lot wrong with this.
Lifting Strength: Superhuman (Effortlessly dragged a tire with inhuman strength)
- Claim is unsourced lmao
- "Burning down a country" with something sustained like this isn't 6-B. It's possible to deal massive amounts of destruction at lower tiers if you're able to just mantain an output, especially when countries are going to be made up of structures that for the most part are tier 9 in durability. Examples of this are Legend from worm (Has a bunch of ostensibly tier 7 feats that are theoretically possible at High 8-C), Ozai from ATLA (He and the fire nation were going to burn the earth kingdom to the ground, but are tier 8) and the Gun Devil from Chainsaw Man (Capable of destroying cities and more through sustained fire of 9-A and tier 8 attacks, because it fires massive barrages)
- Fire breath doesn't confer durability via newton's third law the way punching or something does. Even if we were to assume that the fire breath was somehow 6-B. DDD punching it doesn't mean anything because the dragon isn't necessarily that durable.
- The profile itself says that DDD's statement is "unintelligent and unreliable." What the hell, guys. Why would you use a statement that you yourself say isn't reliable for tiering?
- The woodkeeper who allegedly believes in DDD winning is lying in the quote itself. He just wants to stick DDD against that thing so he can slip away and make bank. Being like "I believe in you sir, you'll save the kingdom" is him just goading DDD into the fight.
- The average country is actually Low 6-B in size, so if we somehow want to take the feat as legit, we'd probably default to that. This goes extra for kirby, since everyone's smaller than normal.
Tires aren't very heavy, and kirby is literally not a human. The blog even notes that this is a bit of an odd statement to make in a setting with no humans.
Now, on to Galacta Knight for a second, because this is wack too.
Attack Potency: Large Star level (By destroying 1 celestial body at a time, it's believed by people who know him that, if he wanted to, he could completely destroy/annihilate the galaxy, which should logically include the large stars in it. The first time he fought Meta Knight it was "a grand battle befitting the two great heroes of the galaxy", both severely injuring themselves and it ending in a draw, fought evenly the second time but got briefly knocked out. Had a short battle against Meta Knight and Kirby, all fighting each other, then shot a shockwave at Kirby that, even when blocked, blew him away and left him with harsh injuries and so weakened that he couldn't talk. Kept on fighting with, and overwhelming, Meta Knight, who felt "like Galacta Knight has become even more powerful than when they previously fought"[5]. Almost defeated Meta Knight if it wasn't for minor help from his men, after that Meta Knight got motivated to save them, had the pain from his body disappear, "the sight of his men fighting [gave] him strength" and he overpowered & defeated Galacta Knight using all his power[6], with Meta Knight feeling like he became a bit stronger than before[7])
Speed: Subsonic (Comparable to Meta Knight and Kirby)
I posted these both because they cause issues in tandem.
But yeah. Profiles where the entire AP section is bad shouldn't exist, and profiles that don't even link their feats shouldn't exist.
- Minor, but that justification is unnecessarily long. You don't need to go into the intricacies of how his fight with meta knight went, because meta knight is this tier off of scaling to galacta knight. Just post the feats and go.
- The other problem that arises here is with the galactic annihilation statement. It's a really vague statement, but the fact that it's on the file means it's being used for something, right? Well, apparently not, because without immortal 1, a High 4-C isn't destroying any galaxies at subsonic speed. Maybe the galactic statement is a speed feat, maybe it's an AP feat, I don't know, the statement is vague, but you can't just have this on a file and not use it for anything. It's really weird.
You just had to antagonize huh.It had to be Eficiente didn't it
You just had to antagonize huh.
It really is just up to whether or not people want to actually revise them lmao, there's not much more to it. If nobody cares to revise a terrible page then it's just going to get deleted and maybe made again at a later date.Not really gonna argue this since Kirby isn't my cookie in the cookie jar, but, shouldn't shitty profiles have CRT's made for them so they are improved instead of outright obliterating them from existence?
I am aware of that, and I already said I ain't got no desire to argue about it. Just sayin' if a profile is doggy doo-doo butter, maybe contact some knowledgeable members if you yourself aren't knowledgeable if you don't want to make a CRT :/It really is just up to whether or not people want to actually revise them lmao, there's not much more to it. If nobody cares to revise a terrible page then it's just going to get deleted and maybe made again at a later date.
On the lack of a calc I put a minimum, I know it's higher but not by how much. Ifaik shaking feats are also very weird, as in lower than what one would expect, and with this being a castle for around Kirby-sized characters, the result would be cut by some notable percentage; I imagine the feat being calc'd at like 9-C, or maybe high into 9-B at best, so it is really that bad to have it at 10-A while lacking a calc?Attack Potency: Athlete level (Comparable to King Dedede, who can shake his entire castle)
What.
In all seriousness, this doesn't link to a calc. It links to a quote, with no further elaboration as to how shaking a castle is somehow 10-A. The quote doesn't talk about how it's really tiny or made of paper or anything, so this is really weird. This also just doesn't source kirby being comparable to dedede at all, which is what you'd want to do on a file.
It is sourced in the link, which also points that the feat would happen due to "the flame that the master breathes", not some continuous attack, case in point that other character reacted as if it was the end of the world when he thought the master had awakened.likely Country level (If King Dedede is comparable to the master, who can breath a flame that can burn the country of Dream Land to ashes. By Dedede's unintelligent, unreliable word, he can easily beat it in 1 blow, and the more earnest "woodkeeper" believed Dedede could fight the master and trusted his life in this event after decades of waiting an opportunity like this),
A lot wrong with this.
- Claim is unsourced lmao
- "Burning down a country" with something sustained like this isn't 6-B. It's possible to deal massive amounts of destruction at lower tiers if you're able to just mantain an output, especially when countries are going to be made up of structures that for the most part are tier 9 in durability. Examples of this are Legend from worm (Has a bunch of ostensibly tier 7 feats that are theoretically possible at High 8-C), Ozai from ATLA (He and the fire nation were going to burn the earth kingdom to the ground, but are tier 8) and the Gun Devil from Chainsaw Man (Capable of destroying cities and more through sustained fire of 9-A and tier 8 attacks, because it fires massive barrages)
I didn't know this, it's a valid point.
- Fire breath doesn't confer durability via newton's third law the way punching or something does. Even if we were to assume that the fire breath was somehow 6-B. DDD punching it doesn't mean anything because the dragon isn't necessarily that durable.
Because it was only part of the reason and despite him having those negative things against him, it is still possible that what he says is accurate.
- The profile itself says that DDD's statement is "unintelligent and unreliable." What the hell, guys. Why would you use a statement that you yourself say isn't reliable for tiering?
I didn't put in the profile the "lie" of that guy believing that DDD would win, but the fact that he believes it can fight the thing, the woodkeeper would just die if the master breathes aiming use his full range, he could have ran away if he wanted to, he was for years somewhat near where the master was, never stealing what he wanted to because he was scared to get killed by what the master can do, yet now he risks his life to get closer to the master due to having DDD to fight him. If DDD was incomparable they would both die, so yes, I do find "Likely" that he's comparable, especially with how he's portrayed in later novels and the lack of any proven training or grow in power.
- The woodkeeper who allegedly believes in DDD winning is lying in the quote itself. He just wants to stick DDD against that thing so he can slip away and make bank. Being like "I believe in you sir, you'll save the kingdom" is him just goading DDD into the fight.
I also didn't know that and is valid. The size of characters wouldn't affect the size of a country, by that logic it would either mean the world has more even countries or the planet itself is smaller, both being off by different reasons.
- The average country is actually Low 6-B in size, so if we somehow want to take the feat as legit, we'd probably default to that. This goes extra for kirby, since everyone's smaller than normal.
It doesn't matter how Kirby himself isn't a human when the narration itself says he's doing it with inhuman strength, nor would "inhuman" mean something like sub-human given the context of the feat with us being told that In spite of his looks, Kirby is doing something notable while that other weaker character fails to do the same.Lifting Strength: Superhuman (Effortlessly dragged a tire with inhuman strength)
Tires aren't very heavy, and kirby is literally not a human. The blog even notes that this is a bit of an odd statement to make in a setting with no humans.
Well, I figured it needed to be done for scaling. Galacta Knight grew more powerful in their second fight and so did Meta Knight by the end of it, but then even before all that happened the characters would already be scaling to Galacta Knight's feat based beating Doomers before, of whom 1 Doomer fought Kirby right after he faced Galacta Knight. So they would be a bit weaker, but comparable to Galacta Knight before his novel, and this much scales to other characters (Magolor and Taranza).Now, on to Galacta Knight for a second, because this is wack too.
Attack Potency: Large Star level (By destroying 1 celestial body at a time, it's believed by people who know him that, if he wanted to, he could completely destroy/annihilate the galaxy, which should logically include the large stars in it. The first time he fought Meta Knight it was "a grand battle befitting the two great heroes of the galaxy", both severely injuring themselves and it ending in a draw, fought evenly the second time but got briefly knocked out. Had a short battle against Meta Knight and Kirby, all fighting each other, then shot a shockwave at Kirby that, even when blocked, blew him away and left him with harsh injuries and so weakened that he couldn't talk. Kept on fighting with, and overwhelming, Meta Knight, who felt "like Galacta Knight has become even more powerful than when they previously fought"[5]. Almost defeated Meta Knight if it wasn't for minor help from his men, after that Meta Knight got motivated to save them, had the pain from his body disappear, "the sight of his men fighting [gave] him strength" and he overpowered & defeated Galacta Knight using all his power[6], with Meta Knight feeling like he became a bit stronger than before[7])
Speed: Subsonic (Comparable to Meta Knight and Kirby)
I posted these both because they cause issues in tandem.
- Minor, but that justification is unnecessarily long. You don't need to go into the intricacies of how his fight with meta knight went, because meta knight is this tier off of scaling to galacta knight. Just post the feats and go.
The profile has what we know for sure. Could he destroy the galaxy by destroying 1 thing at a time? Yes. Has he type 1 Immort. to do it over time? Idk, maybe, this is the being who was sealed since forgotten times and can maybe age and react to things while sealed. Can he teleport or create portals? Idk, his canon version can and this version was somehow in another dimension. Can he survive in space? Likely, other characters that look like him can but that much can be said about humans in other verses.
- The other problem that arises here is with the galactic annihilation statement. It's a really vague statement, but the fact that it's on the file means it's being used for something, right? Well, apparently not, because without immortal 1, a High 4-C isn't destroying any galaxies at subsonic speed. Maybe the galactic statement is a speed feat, maybe it's an AP feat, I don't know, the statement is vague, but you can't just have this on a file and not use it for anything. It's really weird.
Lifting Strength is Superhuman for Kirby having effortlessly dragged a heavy-looking tire with inhuman strength portrayed as in beyond human.Can you remind us the reasoning for the other/remaining statistics please?
Why should this be deleted?
Okay. That seems fine to me then.Lifting Strength is Superhuman for Kirby having effortlessly dragged a heavy-looking tire with inhuman strength portrayed as in beyond human.
AP is Large Star level for Galacta Knight due to this: "By destroying 1 celestial body at a time, it's believed by people who know him that, if he wanted to, he could completely destroy/annihilate the galaxy, which should logically include the large stars in it." The means of transportation were left unproven but that's irrelevant to the feat itself, nor is it higher than this as we do know it would be by destroying 1 celestial body at a time.
That's it.
Okay.Only one of the 7 been shown to fight all the others don't acknowledge living things. And no feats above 9-B being 4d is unknown without feats.
They have a few feats at Subsonic for the first key, I added the same in the second but it will soon be changed at MFTL+ combat speeds due to Kirbys reacting to something they summoned coming from the far ends of the galaxy into their planet in seconds, and then the same came from the far ends of the universe just as fast.What about the speed levels? Are they defined?
It would be best to ask Saikou for this.Okay.
@Elizhaa @Sir_Ovens @Mr._Bambu
Should we delete the following old page?
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SCP-2350 refers to a phenomenon that affects various national parks in Germany, specifically Black Forest, Berchtesgaden, Saxon Switzerland, Eifel, Hainich, Kellerwald-Edersee, and Lower Oder Valley National Park. Every 256 hours, a purple oblong portal (approximately 16 meters tall) appears...vsbattles.fandom.com
This... Definitely needs a scan to be superhuman. Just it being portrayed as beyond human doesn't really mean anything when dragging a tire is very well a humanly capable thing. I mean, even pitbulls can bite and drag tires around if they really want to.Lifting Strength is Superhuman for Kirby having effortlessly dragged a heavy-looking tire with inhuman strength portrayed as in beyond human.
I mean kirby dragged some small airship if i remember correctly and he casually carried a rock stated to be hugeI never said anything about it being specifically sub-human, i'm saying it is absolutely not superhuman without a scan of it being big enough/heavy enough to qualify for superhuman. It shouldn't be assumed to be anything more than average human as that exact thing is entirely possible and more than reasonable. A tire can look heavy without being something like a tractor tire that a human could barely inch around.
If you know a character is lifting something using super human strength at it but it is something any human can lift then the character does, in fact, have Superhuman LS, not because of the weight of the thing lifted, but because we know they can lift things with super human strength while strength goes as in lifting strength. Why would we need to ignore that being the case? We use the weight of things lifted to determine the LS of characters, but here we already have the LS while the weight is unknown, why does the latter invalidate the former?I never said anything about it being specifically sub-human, i'm saying it is absolutely not superhuman without a scan of it being big enough/heavy enough to qualify for superhuman. It shouldn't be assumed to be anything more than average human as that exact thing is entirely possible and more than reasonable. A tire can look heavy without being something like a tractor tire that a human could barely inch around.
Then just put it as "is stated to have inhuman strength". Dragging the tire is entirely irrelevant, as you said. Just leave that part out.If you know a character is lifting something using super human strength at it but it is something any human can lift then the character does, in fact, have Superhuman LS, not because of the weight of the thing lifted, but because we know they can lift things with super human strength while strength goes as in lifting strength. Why would we need to ignore that being the case? We use the weight of things lifted to determine the LS of characters, but here we already have the LS while the weight is unknown, why does the latter invalidate the former?
@Elizhaa @Sir_Ovens @Mr._Bambu
Should we delete the following old page?
SCP-2350
SCP-2350 refers to a phenomenon that affects various national parks in Germany, specifically Black Forest, Berchtesgaden, Saxon Switzerland, Eifel, Hainich, Kellerwald-Edersee, and Lower Oder Valley National Park. Every 256 hours, a purple oblong portal (approximately 16 meters tall) appears...vsbattles.fandom.com
@Saikou_The_Lewd_KingIt would be best to ask Saikou for this.
I have to bring this on one more time.Snip.