Postal Dude Gets Buffed | Postal Dude Revision

[Uradial50]

Okay, I now see why you're painting this as Acausality. I don't know if I'd agree with that. His relationship with the fourth wall is weird. Him acknowledging he died doesn't strictly mean he's acausal, I think.

Can you show evidence of the latter claim in point two?

I am saying he acknowledges the past events since him dying is apart of those past events.
For example, Postal Dude dying and dying as he just comments about himself coming back to life and his deaths which already confirms he acknowledged the past.
Which should qualify as Acausality, Since there are users that had something similar to this like frisk repeating its deaths, which eventually result in them forgetting everything experienced little by little.

 

[Uradial50]

That's just not how it works. It's an external force (you, the player) doing that. He has no ability to do it himself.

I mean I can argue the player could be somewhat canon in the series or not just for the sake of his scaling (for abilities & hax) when its clear he would be forever dead if the saves were to be disabled or destroyed which is self explainatory since you can just stay dead and not choose to load as postal dude is just laying on the ground forever dead.
which therefore proves my point

 

[Uradial50]

He got shrunk and gained a hat. I asked if he is shown (not implied) to be able to have infinite wishes. If he isn't, then I'm not taking this as "he has infinite wishes", I'm taking it as the leprechaun trolling him for the fourth time in a row and just making him look like a leprechaun. It's a video game, we don't need to work with implication (even though I'd straight up disagree that it's trying to say that), we can just see what he can do.

Even if so, the wishes can be argued to be alot more than one or three since he can keep repeating the same wishes

 

[Uradial50]

I feel as though you haven't grasped my position. What we see in Postal is filtered through the psyche and perception of Postal Dude, who is objectively insane. His diaries aren't reliable narrators. If you insist that I'll have to go dig through the lore or whatever, I can do so, ig.

Fair enough, however in postal 2 tho. there is actually a confirmation about the citizens in postal paradise being insane with the corrupted gas by the government which postal dude in the classic postal 2 is shown not be affected by (sadly can't find the scan but its in the game cutscenes)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I am saying he acknowledges the past events since him dying is apart of those past events.
For example, Postal Dude dying and dying as he just comments about himself coming back to life and his deaths which already confirms he acknowledged the past.
Which should qualify as Acausality, Since there are users that had something similar to this like frisk repeating its deaths, which eventually result in them forgetting everything experienced little by little.

For the record, I did open every scan you provided. I know he acknowledges his death. The noteworthy division here is that in the instance of Frisk and similar characters, time is directly referenced, or the universe is destroyed upon their death. In Postal, he just realizes he has died. There's a division. Going from its own virtues, I'm on the fence about considering this to be Acausality.

I mean I can argue the player could be somewhat canon in the series or not just for the sake of his scaling (for abilities & hax) when its clear he would be forever dead if the saves were to be disabled or destroyed which is self explainatory since you can just stay dead and not choose to load as postal dude is just laying on the ground forever dead.
which therefore proves my point

That doesn't really matter in regards to Postal Dude. I don't know if I'd agree with an argument that the player is an in-universe character (it's just fourth wall breaking, imo, but it's not like I've seen every instance of the player being referenced), but whatever the case, nothing indicates Postal Dude himself is immortal. He's being actively revived.

Even if so, the wishes can be argued to be alot more than one or three since he can keep repeating the same wishes

Can he really reuse it? Why wish for infinite wishes if the leprechaun can be reused?

 

[Uradial50]

Can he really reuse it? Why wish for infinite wishes if the leprechaun can be reused?

Its because postal dude is using the leprechaun as a hostage for his wishes (so him wishing for infinite wishes probably made leprechaun mad)

 

[Uradial50]

That doesn't really matter in regards to Postal Dude. I don't know if I'd agree with an argument that the player is an in-universe character (it's just fourth wall breaking, imo, but it's not like I've seen every instance of the player being referenced), but whatever the case, nothing indicates Postal Dude himself is immortal. He's being actively revived.

None the less, The Saves are the reason why he resurrects which should be immortality type 8 regardless (The Saves can also be automatically saved without the player so it isn't needed like i said). unless you don't see saves being canon and therefore makes it type 4 even tho it doesn't regularly act like immortality type 4

I mean he hasn't aged for unknown years which was implied in the beginning scene of postal paradise lost which already implies his immortal

 

[Uradial50]

For the record, I did open every scan you provided. I know he acknowledges his death. The noteworthy division here is that in the instance of Frisk and similar characters, time is directly referenced, or the universe is destroyed upon their death. In Postal, he just realizes he has died. There's a division. Going from its own virtues, I'm on the fence about considering this to be Acausality.

Is Acausality actually meant for those who have control on it if that's what your asking?

 

[Uradial50]

So TL;DR:

I agree with:

• Durability Negation and Non-Physical Interaction
• Limited Immortality (Types 2 and 4)
• Limited Reality Warping, Fire Manipulation, Size Manipulation, and Summoning
• Magic
• Body Puppetry
• Resistance to Fire Manipulation

A few more are contentious, but this is what I agree to right now.

Actually where's the Time Manipulation and Regeneration Type High in the Immortality type 4 part?
Because whenever postal dude resurrects, he would be back before the event he caused that got him killed? (like the time he exploded the earth)
which he would not suffer from the past actions like for example;
postal dude is set on fire and died, however came back to life before that and isn't set on fire and was okay.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Its because postal dude is using the leprechaun as a hostage for his wishes (so him wishing for infinite wishes probably made leprechaun mad)

I don't know what the point is you're making. If the leprechaun can be re-used indefinitely, I don't mind it being on the profile as such.

None the less, The Saves are the reason why he resurrects which should be immortality type 8 regardless (The Saves can also be automatically saved without the player so it isn't needed like i said). unless you don't see saves being canon and therefore makes it type 4 even tho it doesn't regularly act like immortality type 4

I mean he hasn't aged for unknown years which was implied in the beginning scene of postal paradise lost which already implies his immortal

This is bouncing around a bit too much for my taste. Postal Dude gets returned to life because it is a game. He is aware of this through some mechanism that is not clear. It is not done through his own actions- he is not immortal, the game is just being rewound. I don't know why we're then going into Immortality Type 1, but the scene linked doesn't immediately imply this?

The opening scene does show him aging eleven years as a result of a coma, though. Without eating. Which is interesting. But might distract from what it is we're talking about.

 

[Uradial50]

This is bouncing around a bit too much for my taste. Postal Dude gets returned to life because it is a game. He is aware of this through some mechanism that is not clear. It is not done through his own actions- he is not immortal, the game is just being rewound. I don't know why we're then going into Immortality Type 1, but the scene linked doesn't immediately imply this?

That's False Dichotomy Fallacy, Just because he can't control the saves, that doesn't mean he wouldn't have its abilities when it works only for him and the other dude.
"he is not immortal"
Doesn't matter, Its still treated as immortality 8 for being reliant on it. Since, it fits within definition.
[ Reliant Immortality: The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained. ]
(also i thought your saying he isn't an immortal completely until i just realized my mistake)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That's not what false dichotomy is. False dichotomy applies when a situation has more than two outcomes, but is presented as having only two (hence, dichotomy). The ability is not his. He returns to life because the world is reset. He isn't immortal himself.

It is not Type 8 immortality. It's an event that occurs that brings everyone else back.

He has forms of immortality, this just isn't one of them.

 

[Uradial50]

That's not what false dichotomy is. False dichotomy applies when a situation has more than two outcomes, but is presented as having only two (hence, dichotomy). The ability is not his. He returns to life because the world is reset. He isn't immortal himself.

It is not Type 8 immortality. It's an event that occurs that brings everyone else back.

He has forms of immortality, this just isn't one of them.

1. Fair enough on that part, However let me get this straight.
He returns to life every time because the world resets. however, your saying "he isn’t immortal" because his not the one resetting it? (or the world resets)
That still works within the definition of Type 8. because the case is, you can't control it, but still rely on something that keeps you alive.
He benefits from it. He returns from death. It's repeatable. so That’s immortality. not just the kind where he has to press the button himself.
2. Save & Load (aka the game saves) is a form of abilites that can resurrect the user by manipulating time by reversing back to the event before he was killed.
Which still qualifies as immortality type 4. 8 and Time Manipulation. (Which is literally the same reasoning you just said in another way)
3. The Case for Save & Load Immortality Type 8 works as a benefit of the user's resurrection.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

An outward entity is resetting the world. Everyone gets reset when this occurs. This outward entity would not be present in a given match. I disagree with Type 8.

 

[Uradial50]

An outward entity is resetting the world. Everyone gets reset when this occurs. This outward entity would not be present in a given match. I disagree with Type 8.

"An outward entity is resetting the world."
[The character benefits from 1 or more other types of Immortality, as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept may grant them those benefits.]
Doesn’t matter what it is. Because he comes back from death from it Since, It’s repeatable and direct benefit.
even if its not from a player
"Everyone gets reset when this occurs."
That logic doesn’t hold. If it revives every time, which is still a form of immortality for this type.
"would not be present in a given match."
That logic does not even hold up, because of verse equalization.
Since, similar supernatural forces or metaphysical constructs from another verse would equalize to serve the same role.
Meaning, Postal Dude still benefits from the effect of being resurrected by an outside force that resets the world when he dies. Which The mechanic is preserved, & the cause is just reskinned.
Thus, This keeps his Type 8 Immortality valid in a versus match. (Type 4 would be more valid because of it)
because verse equalization ensures that the role of the mechanic still functions in concept.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Verse equalization doesn't inject a character in. This isn't a blessing the character is giving or whatever, it's just an effect on the world, man.

 

[Uradial50]

Verse equalization doesn't inject a character in. This isn't a blessing the character is giving or whatever, it's just an effect on the world, man.

"I don't think you seem to understand. Earth-" It’s not about inserting a character from one verse into another, man?
it’s about equalizing the function of a mechanic across verses so characters retain their core narrative advantages.
also "It's just an effect on the world." part. exactly, your just proving my point. Postal Dude still benefits from that world altering effect every single time.
like i said again "The character benefits from one or more types of immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, or concept grants them the benefits."
In this case, the point about the saves is apart of the world, and the Postal Dude relies on it to survive and progress. Whether he controls it or not is irrelevant. Since, he consistently resurrects through it.

Also, I am not actually trying to use the player by the way.
just trying to use the saves in general.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

"This guy has fire manipulation because the wizard set him on fire"

Postal dude benefits from an ability being used on him, but it is not his ability. It is not akin to characters from Undertale actively manipulating their saves or having a unique relationship to them. The full extent of this is that he is aware of it. That's all.

My vote is no.

 

[Uradial50]

"This guy has fire manipulation because the wizard set him on fire"

Postal dude benefits from an ability being used on him, but it is not his ability. It is not akin to characters from Undertale actively manipulating their saves or having a unique relationship to them. The full extent of this is that he is aware of it. That's all.

My vote is no.

This comparison shouldn't apply at all??
because getting set on fire is an attack, Which is A ONE TIME OFFENSIVE EFFECT.
Unlike, The Acknowledged mechanic that revives a character every time they die.

"but it is not his ability."
That doesn't disqualify it being Type 8, When it keeps reviving him before the event that caused him to die. Even, he doesn't control it. (Which is also Passive)
Also destroying/disabling the saves would put down postal dude for good, which would prove my point further.
Postal Dude Died, World Reset, He comes back, This repeats, Thus. He is reliant on the world's reset function to return from the dead.
Which already fit every requirement of Type 8.

 

[Uradial50]

Actually where's the Time Manipulation and Regeneration Type High in the Immortality type 4 part?
Because whenever postal dude resurrects, he would be back before the event he caused that got him killed? (like the time he exploded the earth)
which he would not suffer from the past actions like for example;
postal dude is set on fire and died, however came back to life before that and isn't set on fire and was okay.

By the way ^

 

[Mr. Bambu]

You had previously acknowledged this to be the fault of a player. Postal dude similarly acknowledges this and recognizes the save/load function, even if only as a gag. You're now pivoting to making this about a trait of the world, which sounds better for verse equalization but isn't truthful to how the verse presents it.

Going back to the other stuff, I do question whether type 4 ought to be taken as legitimate, at this point. I realize I proposed it to fit the ability, but on the current thought process, it doesn't make much sense. If we agree that the player loading the game is what's happening, then Postal Dude doesn't have said ability.

Now. This is not a stated blessing of Postal Dude, nor an ability he has himself. The player has the option to reload upon his death, at which point time goes back to wherever the save was, and Postal dude makes a joke indicating he is aware of the fact that he died.

I am reminded of a more similar case than that of Undertale. In Enter the Gungeon, we had determined that the Lich had Type 8 via the time rewinding abilities of a higher power that allowed him to return to life on death. The only difference is that this is a curse specifically placed upon him, whereas in the case of Postal Dude, it is a second entity that must actively use their abilities to resurrect him (and turn back time).

Under this interpretation, I could see it being classified as immortality, although I'd like to see if there's precedent to being this lax about how present this outward entity needs to be.

 

[Uradial50]

You had previously acknowledged this to be the fault of a player. Postal dude similarly acknowledges this and recognizes the save/load function, even if only as a gag. You're now pivoting to making this about a trait of the world, which sounds better for verse equalization but isn't truthful to how the verse presents it.

Going back to the other stuff, I do question whether type 4 ought to be taken as legitimate, at this point. I realize I proposed it to fit the ability, but on the current thought process, it doesn't make much sense. If we agree that the player loading the game is what's happening, then Postal Dude doesn't have said ability.

Now. This is not a stated blessing of Postal Dude, nor an ability he has himself. The player has the option to reload upon his death, at which point time goes back to wherever the save was, and Postal dude makes a joke indicating he is aware of the fact that he died.

I am reminded of a more similar case than that of Undertale. In Enter the Gungeon, we had determined that the Lich had Type 8 via the time rewinding abilities of a higher power that allowed him to return to life on death. The only difference is that this is a curse specifically placed upon him, whereas in the case of Postal Dude, it is a second entity that must actively use their abilities to resurrect him (and turn back time).

Under this interpretation, I could see it being classified as immortality, although I'd like to see if there's precedent to being this lax about how present this outward entity needs to be.

I don't see how having ownership on an ability would matter in this case. When, it always works on postal dude. (Passively, Even if its not his)
also please, I ain't using the player. I am trying to use the save's existence itself. (I guess its my fault for using the player as evidence for type 8 because he can choose to load for him. however, without thinking since it leads to more confusions and misunderstanding)

 

[Uradial50]

I don't see how having ownership on an ability would matter in this case. When, it always works on postal dude. (Passively, Even if its not his)
also please, I ain't using the player. I am trying to use the save's existence itself. (I guess its my fault for using the player as evidence for type 8 because he can choose to load for him. however, without thinking since it leads to more confusions and misunderstanding)

However I don't see why we can't do time manipulation and type 4 tho

 

[Mr. Bambu]

But it isn't passive. It is the player loading a save. Postal Dude just recognizes it as happening and has awareness of his death when that occurs. I'm interested in whether there is a precedent since, admittedly, it is closer to what precedent I can recall than originally thought. If precedent can be found that is genuinely similar (more similar than those examples already mentioned here), I'd be willing to cede the point.

 

[Uradial50]

But it isn't passive. It is the player loading a save. Postal Dude just recognizes it as happening and has awareness of his death when that occurs. I'm interested in whether there is a precedent since, admittedly, it is closer to what precedent I can recall than originally thought. If precedent can be found that is genuinely similar (more similar than those examples already mentioned here), I'd be willing to cede the point.

Control ≠ Requirement for Immortality. If that's what your asking.
Here are Examples of Users having immortality without control:

1. God of Death (From Ordem Paranormal)
Types: 4, 6, 7, and 8
Immortality: When he dies, The God of Death automatically takes over the nearest corpse or the body with the highest Paranormal Exposure, effectively resurrecting himself.
My Point: However it's not under his direct control, Because it's an automatic consequence of his nature as a creature from the Other Side.

2. Unstoppable Force (From Seinarukana)
Types: 1 and 8
Immortality: When he dies, he can reconstruct himself where his original sword is located.
My Point: The reconstruction is tied to the existence of his sword, not to any action he takes. Meaning it a passive form of reliant immortality.

There are more examples I can provide However These 2 is enough to prove why postal dude would get this type of immortality and ability

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I am familiar with the requirements of Immortality, man. I've been here since 2016.

The thing is that it is not his power, and it belongs not to a broad force, but rather an identifiable separate character. I have already made clear that it does not need to be your doing, but it does need to be intrinsic.

I don't know how to explain it better than I have so far. It's been explained a lot. These examples don't address this at all, they're legitimate and literally 0% related instances of immortality.

 

[Uradial50]

I am familiar with the requirements of Immortality, man. I've been here since 2016.

The thing is that it is not his power, and it belongs not to a broad force, but rather an identifiable separate character. I have already made clear that it does not need to be your doing, but it does need to be intrinsic.

I don't know how to explain it better than I have so far. It's been explained a lot. These examples don't address this at all, they're legitimate and literally 0% related instances of immortality.

Fine, I will let type 8 go. However, i don't get why you're not including time manipulation. When, him dying is also connected to the world resetting. (even if its owned by the player)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It's the same reasoning. That one makes even less sense to give to Postal Dude. As I've said, I just want some comparable instance of the ability where we did indeed give it to a guy that didn't actually have the ability but mimicked its functionality due to another guy's power. Until then, my answer is no to the resurrection stuff.

 

[Uradial50]

It's the same reasoning. That one makes even less sense to give to Postal Dude. As I've said, I just want some comparable instance of the ability where we did indeed give it to a guy that didn't actually have the ability but mimicked its functionality due to another guy's power. Until then, my answer is no to the resurrection stuff.

How is it gonna work then?
Whenever he dies, the world completely resets back to the event before he was killed.
we can't just have it immortality type 4 and that's it when it would act like this

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If an equivalent situation can't be found, then he won't be immortal in that way. It's an outside entity's ability.

 

[Uradial50]

No confirmations about it from postal devs

There are implications to confirm this? Usually His hallucinations end with the same hallucination filter or effect if it happened twice which is him no longer hallucinating. and we later see as postal dude (who isn't even hallucinating) acknowledge the npcs acknowledging or interacting the hallucinations (like the cursed gary colemans). Which suggests that these hallucinations came to reality.
The scan i have provided which is the blue text shows postal dude starting to hallucinate at the first clip and stops to hallucinate at the part of where he went to the white room

@Mr. Bambu

 

[Brekinbob]

Lore accurate Postal 2 Dude already is a threat much larger than the averahg character placed on his tier