Possible upgrade for Licenceless Rider (A.K.A. Mumen Rider)

[Mandfireguy21]

I don't know if this has already been discussed, but... Shouldn't Mumen Rider be at least Street Level? This should be obvious from the point where he is the strongest (or at least most efficient) hero from C Class, but made even more obvious at the bonus chapter where the heroes' skills are measured and a Class C hero is shown as more than twice more powerful than an apparently 10-A human character. Being Mumen Rider at the top, and it being known that Tanktop Tiger (A much lower ranked Class C Hero) is Wall Level, doesn't he deserve an upgrade through Power Scaling? To Low 9-B or something. Besides, is Wall Level really enough to tank attacks from the monster that dismembered Genos? I don't see another way he'd be at the top with lower power than all other heroes.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Methinks an upgrade is in order. What you said made sense but to jump a tier in durability and AP without feats is meh for me. Maybe "Atleast Wall level" would suffice?

Also, wasn't he casually swatted by Sea King? I don't remember clearly if at all but he didn't really seem to be that damaged (talking about the surroundings he landed on not being broken and distance he flew wasn't all that far).

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Hmm, you might be actually right. Maybe. Once he doesn't have any feats but held his position as Rank 1 for "Quite long", maybe we could have the following?

Tier: At least 9-C, possibly 9-B Attack Potency: Likely at least Street Level, possibly Wall Level Durability: At least Wall Level Speed: At least Peak Human

I mean, I find it really weird for him to be at Tier 10 given even a C Class is supposed to be stronger than a mere athletic human being.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Mumen Rider withstood a punch from Tank Top Master building level durability sounds fair.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

How strong was that punch...?

EDIT: Okay, it appears we can buff his resistance all the way up to 8-C, perhaps 8-B. Or higher?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Seeing as Tank Top was able to harm Garou without exerting much effort I think Mumen being 8-B sounds decent.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Nice. Now, what about his attack potency and striking power? I think 9-B should be the least. He throws that bike pretty far, and is definitely stronger than Tanktop Tiger.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Nice. Now, what about his attack potency and striking power? I think 9-B should be the least. He throws that bike pretty far, and is definitely stronger than Tanktop Tiger.

If memory serves me right even the weakest C rank hero is stronger than the average person due to the prodigy kid. And because Mumen is ranked 1 in C class I think 9-B sounds fair.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Tanktop Tiger is 9-B himself. And yea, you are right.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Tanktop Tiger is 9-B himself. And yea, you are right.

All upgrades sound good to me, lets wait for later feedback now.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Hmm. Yeah. Do we need approval of an admin or something to edit the page? -q

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Hmm. Yeah.
Do we need approval of an admin or something to edit the page? -q

I ain't 100% sure but lets just be safe. Try to find a admin and message this thread onto their wall and see what they say.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

I dunno any admins...

Let's revise what we've got:

Tier: 9-A

Attack Potency: High 9-B

Durability: High 8-C or Low 8-B (Not sure which)

Speed: Faster Than Eye or Subsonic+(Not sure which, we know he can't get blitzed by Tanktop Tiger and must be able to react in time to take Tanktop Master's punch), Subsonic+ on his bike.

Agreed?

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

I dunno any admins...
Let's revise what we've got:

Tier: 9-A

Attack Potency: High 9-B

Durability: High 8-C or Low 8-B (Not sure which)

Speed: Faster Than Eye or Subsonic+(Not sure which, we know he can't get blitzed by Tanktop Tiger and must be able to react in time to take Tanktop Master's punch), Subsonic+ on his bike.

Agreed?

Hmm not sure about Subsonic+ on bike. I will try to show someone this thread and see what they say.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Okay. Thank you for your help. XD It was really useful.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

No worries xD

 

[Alakabamm]

Hmm, well, from the OPM wiki, ONE has ranked Mumen and Tanktop Tiger as having the same "fighting ability" in the databook, so I suppose we can also scale from there.

But why building durability for taking on one of Tanktop Master's punches? It looks a lot more like PIS than anything else.

As for his speed, I don't know why it would be above peak human, especially since Tanktop Tiger is considered faster than him by the Databook as well.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Both Mumen and Tiger should scale, no problems there. However one can argue Mumen may have gotten stronger after the DSK beatdown and this enabled him to withstand a tanktop master punch, also that Tank top's attacks are weaker than DSK (not sure on this)

 

[Alakabamm]

But that still wouldn't be building level, that would be city level. That's pretty clearly an outlier.

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

But that still wouldn't be building level, that would be city level. That's pretty clearly an outlier.

Yeah, true.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

You sure it is so? I have the impression AP is just the maximum DC a character has. For example, Raiden (MGR) is 8-A, though his attacks each barely reach 8-C. Same way, Durability is like the maximum a character can take before falling.

 

[Alakabamm]

It's an outlier. It doesn't have anything to do with how durability is viewed, really.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Hmm. Okay. Perhaps you're right. So, should we make the edits already agreed upon?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The thing is...

Hero Ranking =/= Hero power.

We can't make Mumen Rider 9-C / 9-B because of Tanktop Tiger.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Are you sure? Most heroes are STRONGER than their actual ranks, especially those in the top. King is a very special case to be lower than his rank, as Saitama was the one getting his kills.

Saitama himself is only not S Class because he's book dumb.

And there's that: If any of them wanted, they could have just newb crushed Mumen Rider, yet he stands at the top for six months or something.

That, remembering he has to fill a quota of one heroic deed a week without any weapon but a bike, essentially putting him above Peak Human level, as any armed thug would otherwise one-hit him (Remember that if crime still exists in a society with 8-C and 8-B battle suits, it gotta be tough).

I think he deserves at least Low 9-B if we merely look at his rank in context. Feats still needed? Maybe, but the chance Rider is Tier 10 with all that taken into acount is way lower than that he is simply overshadowed by other heroes and a big sufferer of the Worf Effect like everybody else.

 

[Alakabamm]

Matthew, the databook says he has as much "fighting ability" as him

 

[Mandfireguy21]

As skilled as one from the Tanktop Faction (which seems pretty specialised in one fighting style) should... Count? More like Intelligence and Ability, that one. Though it gives a hint of his power.