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Possible New Elements of Harmony scaling method ?

While me and a few other people were talking about Twilight and Raven's Death Battle on a previous thread, a point was brought up and discussed fully. It was about a particular feat that made me question whether or not the Elements of Harmony should be upgraded because of it. Like i said, i won't complain if this doesn't get added, but this will be interesting to debate about... And i've been wanting to debate MLP since that thread. Okay... Here we go.

Midnight Sparkle was confirmedto be capable of destroying the Equestria Girls Universe using her portals, very similar to King Boo and his portals. It also was affecting both the EQG Universe and the MLP Universe, as you can see the portals on both sides, possibly implying Universal to Multi-Universe/Low Multiverse Level range . One would normally say this is hax, but the problem is that we argued a similar indication for the likes of Celestia and her Sun raising, and we figured out that she is using the magic in the same way as that in her ranged attacks, so i'm been wondering... Why not Midnight, especially considering we see her using a blast later on .

Now... If this were to be accepted as a acceptable basis for scaling the Elements , how in the world would it be scalable ? This is actually the easy part ( One Disclaimer : None of the following villians and or characters scale to this without the Elements [ Mane Six , Alicorns , Tirek , Discord , Chrysallis , etc ] ... This is only for those who scales to the Elements ) :

- The Dazzlings owned the Elements originallly, once they obtained the stronger form, they got curbstomped

- Midnight sparkle had the power of 5 of the stronger elements , plus the power of the portals

- Midnight was stalemated by Daydream Shimmer, who had the power of 5 of the EQG Elements . Sunset herself didn't have magic, so it was only the power of those 5.

- Gloriosa Daisy curbstomped all the Elements put together before Twilight stopped fighting her demons.

- While she was slowly being consumed, it was implied she had the power of Midnight Sparkle. Once she overwhelmed it, she became even stronger than her previous form.

- It was stated that the magic in EQG Universe is a fragment of the power that is in the MLPUniverse, so... the Elements in Equestria are much stronger than the ones in EQG. At least that is how we currently portray them. I personally see them as equal.

The Ponied Up forms is basically the fullest extent of their element's power. So ... they would scale somewhat. Especially Twilight's , which Post-Friendship Games is implied directly to be superior to her Midnight Sparkle transformation .

That's the general basis. Is there any questions ? I'd like to debate it before moving it to a Content Revision thread.
 
Universal+ will never be accepted. However I'm up for debate on magic being weaker. As far as I remember (and I may be wrong) it was never said that magic was weaker, just that Equestrian Magic is leaking into their world. It would be an insane reach to assume that Leaking somehow = being weaker.
 
A guy can dream....Discord did mention warping "the very fabric of reality" once, but that is vague, like really vague.
 
Well, if the Mindnight stuff gets accepted (unlikely, but I remember when the strongest character in the verse was tier 7, so, I wouldn't be surprised), wouldn't it scale to Rainbow Power?
 
@Phpenix basically those who scale to the Elements of Harmony. There are only a few who do honestly, and it's not the whole verse.

@Lightbuster ... Jeez. It's only scaling to the Elements of Harmony tho. Also... It's interesting to figure out which one's weaker... I am unsure, but I know that they should at least scale to each other... Since they are from the same magic and all.

@Paulo It would scale to every usage of the Elements of Harmony... So yes.
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
@Phpenix basically those who scale to the Elements of Harmony. There are only a few who do honestly, and it's not the whole verse.

@Lightbuster ... Jeez. It's only scaling to the Elements of Harmony tho. Also... It's interesting to figure out which one's weaker... I am unsure, but I know that they should at least scale to each other... Since they are from the same magic and all.

@Paulo It would scale to every usage of the Elements of Harmony... So yes.
It scales to anyone on par with or superior to the Elements. So the PoS And the Dazzlings scale.
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
No. He got owned by the Elements.
The Elements are Really odd. NMM can hold them back for 5 seconds before getting recked, yet a x8 power boost still isn't enough to beat them....on the other hand Tirek got owned by Rainbow Power, which is stronger than the standard EoH.
 
Technically NMM got owned too. The only ones who scales are those who owned the Elements period , or are treated as equal and superior. Tirek was shown as stronger than Discord at most. We don't had any evidence he's stronger than any iteration of the Elements.
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
Technically NMM got owned too. .
Not instantly, it took the Elements 5 whole seconds (by my count) to overpower her completely, she should at the very least be remotely comparable for not having her attack insta-beaten.

Discord was also capable of making plants that could kill The Tree of Harmony. The only reason he failed was because the plants had to absorb a shit-ton of leftover magic from the EoH to actually get to the tree. Heck the tree, and the elements themselves were made by the power of 6 other people. Powerful people mind you, but still.

Tirek took on the Rainbow Power and lost, which is > EoH. I'm not saying he is > Standard Elements, but we can't say he lost to them, he lost to an upgraded version.
 
Literally all she did was scream No. That is not the same thing as fighting back and being owned anyways. She, as well as Discord, just stood there not bothering to fight back. 2 seasons later we find out that if you actually bother to fight back against the Elements, you can actually hold them back, even if for a few seconds.
 
They didn't do so because they couldn't. I'm positive both could've done so if they desired to... Unless the Elements completely overpowered them. The Dazzlings ,ones who could fight against the Elements ,are canonically above Tirek due to being unaffected by the Pillars, who are much stronger than any iteration of the Elements in the EQverse.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Then why the hell didn't they do so? Are the villains braindead or something?
Classic PIS or CIS. So you probably aren't off. But seriously, they already got beaten once. I guess why bother fighting back if all that happens is you delay your defeat? Discord couldn't escape his prison, his backup semi-failed, and NMM already lost once in direct combat.

I wouldn't bother fighting if I knew defeat was my only option (no plot induced asspulls to save me either)
 
Actually, if you stop to think about it, why didn't any of the villains try to dodged the elements, or teleport away before they got hit, or something like that?
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Actually, if you stop to think about it, why didn't any of the villains try to dodged the elements, or teleport away before they got hit, or something like that?
There are fanfics out there that address that, too bad they are non-canon. But again, probably fra: because they're morons.
 
The only ones who fought against it are the Dazzlings and PoS, two of the 3 most powerful threats in MLP... So there is that. Either that, or it's to make sure the good guys win in the end.
 
You gotta admit: Assuming that everyone working together, and not being the same black and white they were while corrupted means: they will fail, is pretty damn stupid on his part
 
I agree somewhat . I'm also waiting on some support/disapproval from others. Like stated, this only scales to the EoH and the Pillars specifically, plus those treated as comparable/superior/on par with them.
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
I agree somewhat . I'm also waiting on some support/disapproval from others. Like stated, this only scales to the EoH and the Pillars specifically, plus those treated as comparable/superior/on par with them.
But that would put the god tiers at tier 2.
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
Exactly. It would make PoS/Stygian , EoH , Ponied-Up EQG , Gloriosa , Pillars , Dazzlings as tier 2. Everyone else stays at tier 4.
Except for the part where Twilight is nearly as powerful as Starswirl. That's the issue
 
... Firstly... When they are together, they scale that high. Not apart as we have yet to see them use the full power of their "element" (sans when they fought PoS to seal him ) , like the Ponied-Up EQG and the Elements when transformed. Actually , they did state the Elements came from them. So... Yeah, the Alicorns could scale. Oh crud... This got complicated.
 
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