Poseidon vs Hades (Shummatsu No Valkyrie) (0-2-0)

[Dragonite007]

Poseidon vs Hades

• Battle location: Arena that Zeus fought Adão
• 10 meters away
• SBA

Hades:

Poseidon: 2

Kratos kills both:

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Just one thing, besides the speed advantage, in volume 3 of RoR it is said that Poseidon is the greatest spear user in the world of gods.

I'm only saying this because Poseidon is the guy with the least things in his P&A.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Pos no diffs tbh. Hades gets completely blitzed, skill stomped and the only time he even scales to Poseidon in regards to strength is with Ichor: Desmos … which he will never get off since he is too slow and doesn’t have the time to activate it considering he dies instantly.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Pos no diffs tbh. Hades gets completely blitzed, skill stomped and the only time he even scales to Poseidon in regards to strength is with Ichor: Desmos … which he will never get off since he is too slow and doesn’t have the time to activate it considering he dies instantly.

According to the vsbattle rules, from what I remember, the blitz has to be greater than 2x (I could be wrong), something that doesn't happen currently, in addition to the fact that Qin made movements that Ares couldn't understand before making the volund. In addition to the fact that the best user does not automatically mean the guy who hits the hardest, especially when he does not have many relevant strength feats, killing Adamas is bleh and destroying divine weapons is not a feat that we currently consider notable. So I don't think it's "no diff". Well, I made a slight counterpoint just because now I'm on the street and I felt like interacting, I don't really care who wins.

 

[Dragonite007]

killing Adamas is bleh

"Killing Adamas"

 

[AnonymousBlank]

According to the vsbattle rules, from what I remember, the blitz has to be greater than 2x (I could be wrong), something that doesn't happen currently, in addition to the fact that Qin made movements that Ares couldn't understand before making the volund. In addition to the fact that the best user does not automatically mean the guy who hits the hardest, especially when he does not have many relevant strength feats, killing Adamas is bleh and destroying divine weapons is not a feat that we currently consider notable. So I don't think it's "no diff". Well, I made a slight counterpoint just because now I'm on the street and I felt like interacting, I don't really care who wins.

That’s between different verses. If in verse scaling exists, it would take precedence over site rules or else character A wouldn’t blitz or one shot character B just because their speed/AP values are the same even though they are both from verse C and that’s where character A’s scaling comes from.

Qin also beat Chiyou pre Volund so Chinamen in RoR are just as naturally built different as they are in Chinese novels.

Wasn’t even bothering with the best spear user thing, personally.

On the AP, piercing a Volundr is the best and only thing Hades has. Outside of that, Poseidon simply has better feats. Shit, even Adamas has better feats than Hades and that’s just ******* sad. Poseidon > layers of holding back >>> Adamas >>> Giants > Titans ~ can harm Hades and force him to use Ichor: Desmos.

Fraudes is taking the L here.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Qin also beat Chiyou pre Volund so Chinamen in RoR are just as naturally built different as they are in Chinese novels.

And Hades in terms of statistics was > Qin, and as I said, Qin even before the volund was able to blitz Ares. So in terms of speed, no one is blitzing here.

On the AP, piercing a Volundr is the best and only thing Hades has.

The volund with the greatest defensive power in the shuumatsu verse, which is why this is explained. So that's a lot considering that we have Lubu's Volund managing to defend against the common hammer, Sasaki defending against Poseidon's attacks, etc.

Poseidon > layers of holding back >>> Adamas >>> Giants > Titans ~ can harm Hades and force him to use Ichor: Desmos.

There were a lot of titans, to the point where the narrator said that if they joined the giants it would cause the fall of the gods, and Poseidon was very surprised when he was informed that Hades was fighting so many.

Besides, such a large scale chain doesn't work, considering that even Poseidon took some damage during the war, despite him being the guy who would kill a fly instantly as soon as it entered his field of attack.
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Anyway, I think that after this comment there will be fra trains going somewhere whenever it happens, and I don't really like being in vs, especially with shuumatsu since I spent over a year watching guys debate on a discord server , and that's why I got so sick of the verse that I didn't even make big crts about it anymore.

 

[Dragonite007]

especially with shuumatsu since I spent over a year watching guys debate on a discord server , and that's why I got so sick of the verse that I didn't even make big crts about it anymore.

You didn't see it on Facebook, it's either universal or wall level, there's no middle ground

 

[AnonymousBlank]

And Hades in terms of statistics was > Qin, and as I said, Qin even before the volund was able to blitz Ares. So in terms of speed, no one is blitzing here.

Hades got weaved by Qin with ease. Zeus was smoking something when he said Hades was better in every way seeing as Qin proved himself to be at least physically equal to Hades in every regard.

The volund with the greatest defensive power in the shuumatsu verse, which is why this is explained. So that's a lot considering that we have Lubu's Volund managing to defend against the common hammer, Sasaki defending against Poseidon's attacks, etc.

First of all, that is only after fusing his Bident with Poseidon’s Trident and then activating Ichor: Desmos to massively amp his AP. I’m saying that Poseidon just one shots Hades off rip because Hades does not have the durability scaling to survive a single attack from Poseidon.

Secondly, Divine Spaulders doesn’t have the greatest defense if anyone actually read the fight properly. The only time Alvitr would have the highest durability is specifically when she becomes the sword because that is when she is maybe implied to be such. Seeing as the implication is that offensive equipment are more durable than defensive ones, something supported by Guojian Sword > Divine Spaulders not breaking to a stronger Bident and not even getting scratched. Prior to that, Alvitr/Divine Spaulders is only stated to be a Volund that specialises in defense, not the most durable.

There were a lot of titans, to the point where the narrator said that if they joined the giants it would cause the fall of the gods, and Poseidon was very surprised when he was informed that Hades was fighting so many.

Oh god no, the narrative man scaling is happening. Those Titans were only a threat if they jumped the Olympians from behind while they were already in an uphill battle against a far stronger army. They were already no diffed by Zeus in the Titanomachy outside of Kronos’ time punch.

People always take that feat the wrong way. It’s not impressive that someone solo’d an army of Titans, it’s impressive that Hades did so because nobody thought he could pull it off. That army however, cannot do a thing to the rest of Hades’ brothers.

Besides, such a large scale chain doesn't work, considering that even Poseidon took some damage during the war, despite him being the guy who would kill a fly instantly as soon as it entered his field of attack.

A holding back Poseidon can oneshot Adamas who one shots Giants who are stronger than the Titans that harm Hades and force him to use Ichor: Desmos. My scaling chain doesn’t depend on Poseidon’s dura in shape or form so him being harmed is irrelevant … that and what you linked is not a wound, that’s striation/contours in his muscles being shadowed by the lighting as seen with Zeus in the same backstory. Why are you lying dude ? The fact that you went back to the chapter to grab that scan means you had to know that Poseidon doesn’t have a wound there when he is talking with Hades. The only signs of battle on him is his hands being sprinkled with blood from all the bodies he was dropping.

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Anyway, I think that after this comment there will be fra trains going somewhere whenever it happens, and I don't really like being in vs, especially with shuumatsu since I spent over a year watching guys debate on a discord server , and that's why I got so sick of the verse that I didn't even make big crts about it anymore.

FRA trains not happening yet has me shocked tbh lmao.

Discord is a hell hole at the best of times

 

[LordGinSama]

Hades can't even use his amp here as he specifically needs to fuse his spear with Pos's trident. Which Pos has here, making it inaccessible to Hades.


Pretty sure he can't even use his Bident here given that it's a Fusion of his spear and the remnants of his brothers spear. Which wouldn't have any remnants due to Pos having the actual unbroken thing in his arsenal.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Hades got weaved by Qin with ease. Zeus was smoking something when he said Hades was better in every way seeing as Qin proved himself to be at least physically equal to Hades in every regard.

It is information from a character who always almost always gives us useful information in the game, as we also currently use on the wiki. So currently in terms of statistics Hades > Qin in everything.

Hades can't even use his amp here as he specifically needs to fuse his spear with Pos's trident. Which Pos has here, making it inaccessible to Hades.


Pretty sure he can't even use his Bident here given that it's a Fusion of his spear and the remnants of his brothers spear. Which wouldn't have any remnants due to Pos having the actual unbroken thing in his arsenal.

What amplifier man? Hades has his bident normally and can use the ichor normally without the poseidon thing, here there. Like, chapter 62 and Bel's flashback where he uses the bident? Besides, it's the verses of Ragnarok's fight, so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have that bident.

 

[LordGinSama]

What amplifier man? Hades has his bident normally and can use the ichor normally without the poseidon thing, here there. Like, chapter 62 and Bel's flashback where he uses the bident? Besides, it's the verses of Ragnarok's fight, so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have that bident.

At the time the Bident wasn't fused with Poseidon's Trident. It only fused with the Trident after Po died in battle and had his Trident broken.


He doesn't have the fused Bident here because it'd be a contradiction for both of them to have Po's Trident.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

At the time the Bident wasn't fused with Poseidon's Trident. It only fused with the Trident after Po died in battle and had his Trident broken.


He doesn't have the fused Bident here because it'd be a contradiction for both of them to have Po's Trident.

And this bident thing doesn't matter? The fusion was not extolled as some kind of power amplification for the bident nor is it listed as a addition to the contradiction. Do you have any wiki rules that say this prevents the character from having the weapon or not?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Leave it Gin, fused Bident or not, Hades still has no feats to even land a hit on Poseidon and blitzed/oneshot.

 

[Dragonite007]

Bump

 

[Giannysmag]

I think yall are downplaying Hades a lot but Poseidon still blitzes to hell and back, so voting Pos here

 

[Dragonite007]

I think yall are downplaying Hades a lot but Poseidon still blitzes to hell and back, so voting Pos here

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[AThe1412]

Poseidon FRA. Would this mean Sasaki > Hades/Huang?

 

[Giannysmag]

Poseidon FRA. Would this mean Sasaki > Hades/Huang?

Sasaki is top 5 in the verse imo

 

[Dragonite007]

Poseidon FRA. Would this mean Sasaki > Hades/Huang?

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