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Pokemon Mftl+

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The tapu are scaled to mftl for fighting the cosmic duo, problem there is that the Mftl+ speed for the cosmic duo is achieved only in Radiant Sun and New Moon for them. Unless the tapu fought them while they were in that form or dodged theur signature attack (They go into that form while doing it) it wouldnt scale to them for fighting.
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I think it's fair to say they fought their true forms. It'd be strange for Lunala and Solgaleo to not use their signature special moves against opponents who fought them to a standstill and did very well, and nothing implies they didn't or wouldn't.
 
There is absolutely no reasons to assume that they didn't take that form during the fight. It's specifically stated that the fight was a stalemate. They would certainly resort to using their attack.

Also there isn't any major AP or Speed upgrade when they do use said attack.
 
They lost Kukui, and not only that you have no proof they did.

Hell maybe they lost the second they went into that form or ysed theur signature attack. Then it wouldnt scale.
 
They didn't. It was specifically stated to drag on to a stalemate.

Also they spam this move while fighting the protagonist. It isn't a trump card or anything. It's just a goddamn move.
 
That reminds me, if they fought to an absolute standstill shouldnt the TAPU gain resistances to Solgaleo and Lunalas moves? If they didn't have resistance to their stuff a statemate wouldn't have happened and they would have lost.
 
Agreeing with Saikou on that. Its pretty ridiculous to assume their signature moves make them that much stronger, they aren't rising a tier from it. It just makes their sig. moves decently stronger than the rest, thats it.
 
Yeah we do? And the official Pokemon website is telling me you're wrong, explicitly noted to be much stronger. Game mechanics don't count, or is arceus not that strong and judgement being weaker than a bunch of other attacjs too ? Because if we do what you're suggesting thatd happen.
 
Nowhere does it states that they are "much stronger". Just that they release their "mighty power".

Except that Judgement IS as strong as Arceus' other attacks. Unless we shall downgrade Arceus to "2-C via Judgement"?
 
Yeah sure, Judgement is only a 100bp move, weaker than the rest.

And using words like mighty and such kinda indicate it's a big boost. Or are ya saying it's such a negligible boost it doesn't matter , why would they push the fact it's stronger and only be shown in two instances, one of which being its most powerful Attack.
 
"Mighty power" is just flowerly fancy words for Solgaleo and Lunala's power. Doesn't mean it's some much more powerful lvl of strength.

EDIT: Fixed ovo
 
It's not "weaker than the rest". Just not "suddenly thousands of times faster because shut up"

No it doesn't. Just hyping up their power. Do we rate Rayquaza as "5-B via Dragon Ascent"? Yvelta as "5-B via Oblivion Wings"? A character having a superior move doesn't mean that their highest feats are solely limited to it.
 
You're kinda completely wrong Kukui, where is necrozma involved?

And no, it is meant to indicate it's a much more powerful state.
 
No it doesn't. Power is only slightly above normal and there is no other indication of a huge power boost other than "Mighty power".
 
It is when that move is only done when I. The form stated to be using theur full power and implied to be a decent amount higher at that.

Oh and if that was the case why do they only achieve MFTL while in that form and never out? Why bother going Into that form.
 
Scaling the tapu to Solgaleo and Lunala when solgaleo and lunala only ever achieve MFTL in a form stated to be stronger than base.
 
Because that's what they use for creating portals.

Pretty sure that Rayquaza busted the meteor using Dragon Ascent.
 
Homura once again appears in another thread

Omnipresence in vsbattles is no longer a joke
 
Even cosmog can open ultra worm holes though in a normal state. And it's stated thise form unleash theur true power, but not that it can let them open the wormholes to ultra space.
 
Stop relying so much on that statement. The idea that this move is 1000x their power or speed is utterly contradicted many times in the game and only vaguely supported by that website statement.
 
@j-man if it is contradicted, then it probably isn't that strong.

@Saik what are the contradictions?
 
It isn't portrayed anywhere near a huge boost of power in the game nor is it made a big deal off. Hell, both legendaries never used it in what was a fight for their lives. His argument relies on the assumption that neither of them would use it in a fight that was described as a stalemate.
 
Rayquaza has a much larger gap bewtween his base and Mega forms, so pokes having such a large boost between forms is not without precedent.
 
Except this is a supposed boost that's used for a single attack that's used as a part of their regular arsenals. That's like arguing Dragon Ascent is 5-B while Rayquaza is High 6-A.
 
And? They also didn't even do much of anything in a 10 second cutscebe were they were quickly overpowered.

AND yet we got a direct statement its a power boost, and the MFTL has only been achieved while in that state, never out of it.
 
The first sentence is just game mechanics, though the second one is interesting.

Why wouldn't they use an uber powerful form? Are there any requirements or potential issues from the form?
 
They do use that form when using theur best attack and strongest attack. So there is that. But they go back after the attack.
 
It's just a regular attack (albeit still stronger than their regular attacks). No requirement or anything. Hell they spam the hell out of that attack when fighting someone who they're friends with. Yet not against Necrozma, who was about the murder the hell outta them.
 
A regular attack?

Yeah in the same vain as roar of time. And add the fact they go into that form specifically when using theur best attack. And What? We never see them use theur full power in a real fight, even against necrozma, he won in like 10 seconds and even then, they honestly should have.
 
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