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Pokemon Civilization vs Pokemon Ecosystem; Part 2, Conventional Pokemon Only (All Humans and All Tame Pokemon vs All Wild Pokemon) (2-0-0)

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Some joked that, if Pokemon was one tad more realistic, Pokemon Fights would be treated as fights between lethal super-powered critters and going through more Pokemon-infested areas would require large groups of armed Humans with strong Pokemon. Some also wondered why all Pokemon in Paradox Future are robotic - joking that some sort of global catastrophe or world war happened there, which resulted in extinction or extermination of most organic life on planet.

This fight takes this to absurd degree, with Human and Pokemon civilizations outright going to planetary-scale war on one-another.

...This time, no Legendaries, no Mythicals, and no super-powered Pokemon capable of fighting Legendaries. Only "conventional" Pokemon, machines and humans.

  • Fight happens on Pokemon World's Earth.
  • "Team Human" has all Humans from Pokemon World, all their machinery/gear/stuff/etc, and all Tame Pokemon. "Team Pokemon" has all Wild Pokemon. (edge cases could be discussed or altered if needed)
  • Legendary and Mythical Pokemon are restricted. Everything higher than 6-B is restricted. (could be altered if needed)
  • Switching parties works like in canon. E.G. if Wild Pokemon is captured by Pokeball, he becomes Tame Pokemon as usual; etc.
  • Both parties have as much knowledge on eachother as they do in canon.
  • Both parties have 1 whole year of preparation time.
  • Speed is not equalized
  • Otherwise SBA
Team Human: (2) (User_A_98732165489, Friedoil11)
Team Pokemon: (0)
Inconclusive: (0)
 
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Deciding whether or not decrease the upper border from High 6-A to High 6-B - since Team Go Rocket grunts are Low 6-B. Most conventional Wild Pokemon cap at 6-C.

So if fight is imbalanced, ask me - i'll correct it.
 
Without Legendaries and Mythicals, Wild Pokemon cap at 6-C as far as i remember - while Tame Pokemon go a lot higher. I think i'll decrease upper limit from High 6-A to 6-B, otherwise it's a Stomp. Decreasing to below 6-B is wrong, since 90% of high-end trainers worth their salt is that strong, and "restricting 90% of something" is not fun to matchup.
 
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First question is, "who is more numerous?"; i don't know the exact numbers for Human population of Pokemon World. Team GO Rocket has 15 million trainers, and Galaxy Team has a few hundreds - but we're talking entire planet's population there. Saying that human population is same as on IRL Earth is plausible but not fully correct.

For population of Tame Pokemon and Wild Pokemon, it gets even more vague. There may be some unconfirmed likely-non-canon information about how large individual groups/mobs/packs/colonies of Wild Pokemon are (e.g. solitary, small family, dozen-large group, multiple dozens, hundreds, etc) - but we don't know total amount of these groups on planet. We also don't know how many Tame Pokemon are there, since not all Humans have Pokemon, not all Humans have full team of 6 Pokemon, and many Tame Pokemon collect dust in PCs.

And since both parties have 1 full year of preparation time, they breed like there's no tomorrow. And Pokemon can breed and evolve rather rapidly. So there's even more of them around and many are fully-evolved. All Pokemon Trainers would have their teams at absolute strongest point (e.g. high-end/postgame). All wonder-weapons (e.g. High 6-A Ultimate Weapon, Low 6-B Mech, etc) would be set up and ready by that point.

The only remotely combat-worthy Wild Pokemon in such situation are those in Tier 6 - since non-fully-evolved pokemon from lower Tiers would be practically useless. Even then, the larger issue is that "conventional" Wild Pokemon cap at 6-C, while Pokemon World's civilization goes a lot higher than that.

6-B Trainers are very numerous; Team GO Rocket alone has over 15 million Trainers, with "at least Low 6-B" Grunts and 5-B Leaders - and said Team Rocket Go army encountered another army of Trainers, which fought it to standstill. So over 30 million 6-Bs alone, and that's before mass mobilization! And that's before going to those Trainers, whose Pokemon can fight Legendaries - ending up in Tier 5, Tier 3 or Tier 2; there's also quite a lot of such Trainers. Don't forget that some Legendaries are Tame or otherwise in Human control, and also don't forget about wonder-weapons.

There's also issue of coordination, intellect and cohesion - namely, that Humans and Tame Pokemon are a lot smarter. Wild Pokemon have no long-range communications and no command structure, and so each group or horde would act on it's own without knowing what others do. Human Trainers with 1 year of preparation time would form something akin to modern or futuristic army - with unified battleplan and communications between divisions. Many Humans are Gifted, and some are Extraordinary Geniuses, and Tame Pokemon are typically smarter than Wild Pokemon due to experience; Most Wild Pokemon are Below Average in personal-combat-unrelated subjects, and Above Average to Gifted in combat - so their large-scale strategic skill would be very bad - and smarter Pokemon (e.g. Alakazam) could only command their small group and not entire Wild Pokemon army, so most Wild Pokemon groups/hordes would behave as if at Below Average level of cohesion and strategic planning.
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Wild Pokemon have 6-Cs at most while Human Trainers have 6-Bs em masse, with "few of the thoughest cookies around" going higher.
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Well, many arguments from previous fight are valid [https://vsbattles.com/threads/entir...ame-pokemon-vs-all-wild-pokemon-0-2-0.186905/]. But since this fight doesn't boil into just Legendaries...

Most higher-end Trainers (over 30 millions of them) are 6-B while Wild Pokemon cap at 6-C, Wild Pokemon have no coordination because none of them have experience in communications and most have no command structure, most Wild Pokemon are dumb when it comes to non-combat tasks.

Humans can breed their Pokemon with specific selection, designing them to be better in fight. Wild Pokemon just breed, without any eugenic programs in mind. Considering that Pokemon breed fast, this would put Team Human in advantage at the end of preparation time.

No sort of battle plan would exist at first, since both human Towns and Wild Pokemon-inhabited zones are nearby, cue both parties being encircled by each-other (towns are surrounded by wilderness, and wilderness is surrounded by towns). Once things stabilize enough that "frontlines" exist, Humans have strategy advantage. Wild Pokemon also act less thoughtfully in battle, attacking seemingly at random. No "fronts" would exist at all, since nearly everyone move at FTL speeds, and therefore run around the globe so fast that Human trainers/generals couldn't draw lines on map fast enough to keep track of them.

Considering that Pokemon World has rather small amount of actually big cities, and that Towns seemingly contain less Humans and Tame Pokemon than nearby surrounding wilderness contains Wild Pokemon - Wild Pokemon may have numbers advantage. The catch is, Wild Pokemon are mostly many tiers lower than Tame Pokemon - both on average and considering highest-tiered individuals. So Wild Pokemon need to gather in large hordes to fight high-tiered Tame Pokemon.

So i vote Team Human in this case.
 
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In Pokemon, attacks can be combined (e.g. Electric-type Pokemon did commonly form "living power plans" by combining all their power into single attack). This merely prevents this from being a Stomp, but doesn't allow victory of Wild Pokemon.

Due to difference in orders of magnitude, about 1001 to 23273.25 6-Cs have to pile up on 6-B in oder to deal meaningful damage. For High 7-As to damage 6-B, number goes up to 4304.3 to 100074.98. For anything less than High 7-A (e.g. 7-A, 7-B, Low 7-B) number becomes so large that required number of characters can't simultaneously attack (not enough surface area of target).

Durability doesn't combine - so Tame Pokemon with AOE attack can OHKO an entire Wild Pokemon horde. If Tame Pokemon has no AOE attacks, he has to slowly whittle down at individual Wild Pokemon until he KO-s them all one by one. Humans likely have more Tame Pokemon, than there are 23274-number-strong hordes of Tier 6-c (fully-evolved) Wild Pokemon, so Humans have advantage there.

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There are over 75 million Team GO Rocket members, whose teams are 6-B. Their army was fought back by other trainers from around the world; so there are over 150 million 6-B Trainer teams running around in our case.
 
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