PLOT MANIPULATION

[TWILIGHT-OP]

So just a normal question to ask

So if a character is able to change his own animation style from 2D to 3D , can it be also counted as plot manipulation, i mean animation is also a plot in itself ?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Plot Manipulation/Reality Warping ig

 

[Phsccarvalho]

So just a normal question to ask

So if a character is able to change his own animation style from 2D to 3D , can it be also counted as plot manipulation, i mean animation is also a plot in itself ?

Looks like dimensional manipulation to me

Its possible applications include being able to warp the dimensionality of a target to a higher or lower dimension

In that case it would be yourself.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Looks like dimensional manipulation to me

In that case it would be yourself.

I'm taking it literally here.

Like, the character is really a 2D being and turns into a 3D being.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Ah dimensional manipulation, wouldn't it also be reality warping if the character changed the space, characters and objects around them from 2D to 3D?
So like Dimensional Manipulation and Reality Warping

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Ah dimensional manipulation, wouldn't it also be reality warping if the character changed the space, characters and objects around them from 2D to 3D?
So like Dimensional Manipulation and Reality Warping

No.

It literally says that changing dimensionality to a higher or lower dimension is dimensional manipulation.

If manipulating the dimensions of something was simply Reality Warping, there wouldn't even be a dimensional manipulation page, as it wouldn't be needed.

You can interpret it as Reality Warping, but the wiki treats it as different things.

Like, for example, turning someone to stone. The wiki only treats it as "petrification", not "transmutation and petrification"

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

No.

It literally says that changing dimensionality to a higher or lower dimension is dimensional manipulation.

If manipulating the dimensions of something was simply Reality Warping, there wouldn't even be a dimensional manipulation page, as it wouldn't be needed.

You can interpret it as Reality Warping, but the wiki treats it as different things.

Like, for example, turning someone to stone. The wiki only treats it as "petrification", not "transmutation and petrification"

Makes sense.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

So, i saw the comments , but this is what I am talking about He forcefully changed his animation style + making it higher quality and frame rates and animation in itself is a plot.

This is ENOUGH to get plot manip ig

 

[Phsccarvalho]

He forcefully changed his animation style + making it higher quality and frame rates

Sounds like data manipulation or information manipulation/Reality Warping to me.

nimation in itself is a plot.

This is ENOUGH to get plot manip ig

for something to qualify as plot manipulation it needs a metafictional context.

If I were to guess from what I saw in the video, there is the human world and they are in some kind of cybernetic world like SAO or digimom. And this is not metafictional.

Animation itself is not a plot, otherwise literally any guy who manipulates reality or does 2D to 3D stuff in animation would have plot manipulation.

For example, there's a verse where canonically some characters change the character's design style, but since it doesn't have a metafictional context, it's just in Reality Warping.

Not even Looney Toones treats 2D cartoons turning 3D as plot manipulation, rather dimensional.

Also, if you're so sure this is plot manipulation then why the question exactly?

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Also, if you're so sure this is plot manipulation then why the question exactly?

Ofc , to confirm

cybernetic world like SAO or digimom

To be more specific, they were inside the game tho.

So you mean to say animation style isn't related to plot, he literally changed the settings of his own animation

 

[Phsccarvalho]

To be more specific, they were inside the game tho.

So it's definitely not plot hax, it's not metafictional.

So you mean to say animation style isn't related to plo

depends on the context.

These guys were inside a game, so it has nothing to do with plot hax their animation style.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

So it's definitely not plot hax, it's not metafictional.

Bruh i said this for sao not from this anime

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I meant to say that kirito was inside the game world not in real world

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The character changing the animation style and giving more and less detail, becoming 3D even is too advanced for just data manipulation I feel. It works on the space and characters around him too so it's definitely not just a 4th wall break

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Bruh i said this for sao not from this anime

I understood

The character changing the animation style and giving more and less detail, becoming 3D even is too advanced for just data manipulation I feel

It's just that the way it was done and the quote from "Human world" made it seem to me that they were in a cyber world, so it seemed like that to me.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

It's just that the way it was done and the quote from "Human world

They were in space station at that moment and human world = earth

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

It's just that the way it was done and the quote from "Human world" made it seem to me that they were in a cyber world, so it seemed like that to me.

What they're in is a space station above earth hence why they mentioned human world as it was being invaded at the moment they were there.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The character with him even mentions that their entire physique has changed becoming higher graphic. He's also able to remove the frame limit and so on

 

[Phsccarvalho]

So it seems to me type 2 information manipulation

These characters can manipulate information, which serves as fundamental building block of reality. This can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality

But this could plot hax if it had a metafictional context.

One that I remember is in Looney Tunes where the characters are drawings/fiction in an animation tool, and the animator uses the animation tool's features as if it were Photoshop.

It would be good to ask others.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Any admins plz reply

 

[DonkeySlayer06]

Reality Warping and probably Texting Manip. Things like changing the character's drawing from 2D to 3D, changing the voice actors, changing the drawing, etc., are not considered as Plot Manipulation. It is Reality Warping only. The same thing is available in Alien X.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Things like changing the character's drawing from 2D to 3D, changing the voice actors, changing the drawing, etc., are not considered as Plot Manipulation.

Did you see this

He forcefully changed his animation style + making it higher quality and frame rates

 

[KLOL506]

Reality Manip and Dimensional Manip seem to be more fitting IMHO. Doesn't Alien X have this exact same feat? He didn't change the events of Ben 10 as a whole.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Reality Manip and Dimensional Manip seem to be more fitting IMHO.

Plz consider reading this

So, i saw the comments , but this is what I am talking about is He forcefully changed his animation style + making it higher quality and frame rates and animation in itself is a plot.

This is ENOUGH to get plot manip ig

 

[Rabbit2002]

So, i saw the comments , but this is what I am talking about He forcefully changed his animation style + making it higher quality and frame rates and animation in itself is a plot.

This is ENOUGH to get plot manip ig

U need to prove that animation is a plot, cause people without knowledge of the verse will not understand it

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

U need to prove that animation is a plot

I mean it's logical that animation can be considered as a plot, while he changed his animation style from 2D to 3D , he isn't changed his own dimensionality rather affecting the animation style

So what do u think

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I mean it's logical that animation can be considered as a plot,

Animation itself is not a plot, it's just how we see reality and how it is presented to us.

Ben 10's celestiansapies change the animation style of the verse all the time and even so they didn't win plot hax.

animation style from 2D to 3D

They were already 3D before, it was just in lower quality.

he isn't changed his own dimensionality rather

Yes, it's more of a change in the look of reality. So Reality Warping, although I think the way the guy did it could be information manipulation (type 2)

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Can I direct you all to where it being proposed to scale a character? Or is it against the rules to yk, send links of other threads of unrelated topic in another.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

They were already 3D before, it was just in lower quality.

I don't think the imgur included it. But he did prior change their actual animation style from normal 2D anime graphics to the one you see at the beginning to detailed 3D

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

They were already 3D before, it was just in lower quality.

No they weren't 3D all along, animation was done in 2D, for them their world is 3D inside anime but for us the viewers it was 2D , but then he changed his anime style from 2D to 3D. So it isn't like they were shown 3D from beginning.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

No they weren't 3D all along, animation was done in 2D, for them their world is 3D inside anime but for us the viewers it was 2D , but then he changed his anime style from 2D to 3D. So it isn't like they were shown 3D from beginning.

This is literally 3D.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

This is literally 3D.

Wait lemme show u full , i forgot to include previous moments

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Wait lemme show u full , i forgot to include previous moments

I saw the other crt, if it's Wang Ling's I already know what it is.

But it's good to add anyway.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Wait lemme show u full , i forgot to include previous moments

Do that cuz I mentioned it above too

I don't think the imgur included it. But he did prior change their actual animation style from normal 2D anime graphics to the one you see at the beginning to detailed 3D

^^

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I saw the other crt, if it's Wang Ling's I already know what it is.

But it's good to add anyway.

So should I post it or u understood?

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Btw Can you tell me how you put the link of video to show it like this ?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Btw Can you tell me how you put the link of video to show it like this ?

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Place the image here.

And then copy her address.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Ok it didn't work quiet well ig