Plants vs. Zombies Discussion Thread: It's About Time! 🌱🧟‍♂️

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Creation can scale to AP too

Not the creation of Black Holes, as far as i am aware, only the black holes themselves can be applicable to AP

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Also, given that the existence of the Gnomes massively upgrade the Verse stats, shouldn't a CRT be made for their profile being created?

 

[Dragonite007]

Also, given that the existence of the Gnomes massively upgrade the Verse stats, shouldn't a CRT be made for their profile being created?

Nop, just Tier 1 profiles need CRT

Not the creation of Black Holes, as far as i am aware, only the black holes themselves can be applicable to AP

Nop??
Characters creating Black holes also can be used to AP (Mega Man, Cosmic Garou [In the past])

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Nop, just Tier 1 profiles need CRT

You would need a CRT to upgrade the other PVZ profiles

Nop??
Characters creating Black holes also can be used to AP (Mega Man, Cosmic Garou [In the past])

Fari enough, forgot about Mega Man

Although, wouldn't you still need a calc for the Black Hole's size or smth like that?

 

[Dragonite007]

You would need a CRT to upgrade the other PVZ profiles

In the same way Deus Molusco da dimensão de horror e destruição still High 3-A

Also we would need to find If the zombies/plants really scale to gnomes, since for some reason:

Gnomes in Infinite Time >>>>>>>>> Gnomes in "regular world"

Although, wouldn't you still need a calc for the Black Hole's size or smth like that?

Well, even the small Black Hole know in the universe needed at least High 4-C energy to be created, and his statement about Black holes was in general, not targeting any specific black hole

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Also we would need to find If the zombies/plants really scale to gnomes, since for some reason:

Gnomes in Infinite Time >>>>>>>>> Gnomes in "regular world"

Ins't the whole reason that Infinite Time exists being to make the player access it and beat the crap out of the Gnomes with the plants/zombies?

Well, even the small Black Hole know in the universe needed at least High 4-C energy to be created, and his statement about Black holes was in general, not targeting any specific black hole

What's the "average" energy of a black hole?

 

[Dragonite007]

Ins't the whole reason that Infinite Time exists being to make the player access it and beat the crap out of the Gnomes with the plants/zombies?

beat the crap out of the Gnomes with robots (Junkasaurus for Plants, Mecha Cat for Zombies) which are much stronger than plants and zombies

What's the "average" energy of a black hole?

Three times Sun's mass

 

[Ednaxel2]

Gnomes's profile is basically completed now

Dragonite007/Sandbox1

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The Gnome King should be at least Class Y and MHS, with the simple justification that he’s “far faster/stronger than X”

 

[Dragonite007]

The Gnome King should be at least Class Y and MHS, with the simple justification that he’s “far faster/stronger than X”

Changed

 

[Ednaxel2]

Should PvZH scaling be accounted for the player? Apart from Crazy Dave talking to the player in the tutorial, you kinda just play as the hero characters no?

 

[Ednaxel2]

 

[Dragonite007]

I

What about:

High 4-C (Black holes are formed from gnomish flatulenc), up to Low 2-C with tech (Gnomes can put Time and Space in their pocket)

 

[Dragonite007]

?

By the way, does the heroes have any anti-feats or statements that stop them from fully scaling to the Gnomes??

 

[Ednaxel2]

By the way, does the heroes have any anti-feats or statements that stop them from fully scaling to the Gnomes??

I'm not sure, you could make the argument that they could scale

Something I wanna fix is the inverse scaling of the heroes, Peashooter fully scaling to Super Brainz is just flat out wrong lets be honest here

 

[Ednaxel2]

It seems like the cosmetic pages are finally fully indexed on the PvZ wiki, which can make collecting P&A for them much easier.

Customization

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On another note, what can Stars/Rainbow Stars do instead of just acting like a currency?

 

[koopa3144]

On another note, what can Stars/Rainbow Stars do instead of just acting like a currency?

Iirc you can use normal stars to unlock some things like chests, clearing out the piles of junk, and enchanting a Garden or Graveyard in Garden Ops or Graveyard Ops

 

[Ednaxel2]

Iirc you can use normal stars to unlock some things like chests, clearing out the piles of junk, and enchanting a Garden or Graveyard in Garden Ops or Graveyard Ops

Yea but that’s not applicable for any abilities no?

 

[koopa3144]

Yea but that’s not applicable for any abilities no?

Yeah stars don't really do anything vs applicable.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Looking into the Plasma Pea description more and it impleis the universe it shoots out are actual "entire universe" but are only contained in the peas, them acting like a storage/hammerspace containing these entire-sized universes

 

[Ednaxel2]

Looking into the Plasma Pea description more and it impleis the universe it shoots out are actual "entire universe" but are only contained in the peas, them acting like a storage/hammerspace containing these entire-sized universes

Gonna go into it more now, including arguments from the 2019 thread where this got rejected

The peas are not universe-sized: The text makes it clear that yes these peas contain (because of them being unto themselves) regular-sized universes. The universes within it are stated to "dwarf you and I", have galaxies, millions of stars with enourmous nebula, etc. These are regular sized universes contained within the peas.
This is an outlier: Nooooot really, the only other relevant feats are Brainz Freeze's 8-A feat (previous tier 8 feats are heavily upscaled from at this point) which was casual anyways, and Super Brainz's 6-B feat. The calculation page also states that if the characters have minimal feats then this can likely be ignored, and seeing as how the hero characters don't have many AP feats in general (heck this is Plasma Pea's only piece of scaling at all), then this can be ignored.
It's a joke: Based on what exactly, just because it seems absurd? Some tried to argue that this has to be absurd because "imagine the thought process of someone writing this for a plant" which is just a weird claim, no one knows the thought process behind making this, maybe they just thought of it as a cool description, or tried making the plasma pea seem powerful, literally who knows this is irrelevant.
It's a fan character that got into the game: This just seems like a double standard, why dismiss everything about a character if they originate from a fan and got canonized? Venom is literally a character that originated from a fan so should be ignore all of his stuff too?

 

[Ednaxel2]

The browncoat zombies withstand un-charged plasma pea attacks is also not an issue, they're extremely fodder enemies and can easily be chalked up to game mechanics. They're literally goombas in the shooter and card games

 

[koopa3144]

Honestly, I'd be fine with heroes and peeps who scale above them getting "Likely 3-A," but I do think the biggest argument against Plasma Pea scaling is that it is an outlier, which is probably going to keep it from being added to profiles.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Honestly, I'd be fine with heroes and peeps who scale above them getting "Likely 3-A," but I do think the biggest argument against Plasma Pea scaling is that it is an outlier, which is probably going to keep it from being added to profiles.

There aren’t any anti feats or the likes that go against it, the verse is very minimal with AP feats at this time

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Honestly, I'd be fine with heroes and peeps who scale above them getting "Likely 3-A," but I do think the biggest argument against Plasma Pea scaling is that it is an outlier, which is probably going to keep it from being added to profiles.

If they're sewn from the fabric of space-time and are described as universes i'm pretty sure that's Low 2-C, not to mention "infinite possibilities of the cosmos"

But hey, it says universes in plural, so maybe at least 2-C.

 

[Cropfist]

Should there be a profile for the player character? It could list all of the plants' abilities like with Pokemon trainers

 

[Ednaxel2]

Should there be a profile for the player character? It could list all of the plants' abilities like with Pokemon trainers

There already is one, thought it could do with some touches

The Player (Plants vs. Zombies)

The Player is the main protagonist of the Plants vs Zombies franchise. In the first game, The Player has to defend his lawn from a group of attacking zombies to prevent them from eating his brain. With the help and guidance of their neighbor, Crazy Dave, they make it through each day and night...

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[Ednaxel2]

Heroes really messes up a lot of the stuff thats been established

It has contradictions like Nightcap's gender, Super Brainz's origin, all Post-GW1 Plants like Peashooter/Sunflower having their PvZ2 designs. There's also this, which I'm not even gonna try to wrap my head around

 

[Dragonite007]

Heroes really messes up a lot of the stuff thats been established

It has contradictions like Nightcap's gender, Super Brainz's origin, all Post-GW1 Plants like Peashooter/Sunflower having their PvZ2 designs. There's also this, which I'm not even gonna try to wrap my head around

Nightcap is genderfluid, and never is show how Zomboss created Super Brainz in the comics

 

[Ednaxel2]

Nightcap is genderfluid

Never thought of that ig

and never is show how Zomboss created Super Brainz in the comics

That's not what I'm referring too I'm talking about this

 

[koopa3144]

Never thought of that ig

Night Cap being Genderfluid comes from a statement from their creator btw.