Phoenix Wright questions and posible revisions.

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Big fan of the series.

But a LOT of stuff in the page makes no sense.


AP - Athlete Level by pushing away guards.

Not only this is PW vs PL, which Might or might not be canon. (Written by Takumi and has a clear point in the timeline, but you know, crossover.)

https://youtu.be/02Ly398a_eI?t=19m8s (Scene of Nick facing off guards, and he never, ever pushed any of them back, in fact, they restrained him pretty quickly.)

So, not really Athlete level for that.


Now, he has busted a reinforced wall on his own in the games (And with Lotta´s help in the anime)

Games -

https://youtu.be/vto4tMlkoFY?t=16m36s (Nick breaks the reinforced door in three slams.)

Maybe wall level?

Anime -

The door seems to be way, way stronger in the anime. With metal reinforcements and all.

https://youtu.be/MBb_KX3qV-M?t=7m26s (This time, they force open both doors in one single slam.)


https://youtu.be/MBb_KX3qV-M?t=5m36s


Durability -

There are tons of durability stuff for Wright, but the one that seems to be small building level is the random explotion in PWvPL.

https://youtu.be/02Ly398a_eI?t=20m20s

The radius of the explotion is easly bigger than one of the medieval houses.

Small BUilding Level seems fine, but calcs are gonna be needed.


Abilities -

I Able to "Lay his enemies out flat with a Big ol´ "Objection!" and to be "as strong as the Steel Samurai.", able to manifest his words as magic with various effects.


This is complete nonsense. Where in the world has this been stated?


Equipment -

I Maya´s Magatma infused with Morrigan´s Magic, Evidence to defend Heihachi Michima on his trial.


Is this from PxZ2? Because that is super non canon, and shouldnt be counted. Unless you are fine with 4-B Phoenix Wright by scaling to Morrigan.


Notable Attacks/Techniques:

• Objection!: Phoenix points his finger at the Witness and presents proof that contradicts their lies.
• Take that!: Phoenix presents powerful evidence against the true culprit, demolishing the prosecutor´s arguments.
• Hold it!: Phoenix presses the opponent for more information, it might cause the opponent to be paralyzed for a small period of time.
• Ace Attorney: Phoenix successfully discovers that his opponent is the who actually committed the crime at hand resulting on them getting thrown in Jail.

None of these are actual skills, mostly only things from the UMvC3 game, so, unless you are okay with Low 2-C Phoenix, should be removed.


Note: This profile assumes Phoenix doesn´t have the MC Virus or other evidence from his games.

The MC virus and the various guns and knives he obtains as evidence could maybe be counted as potential AP/hax, but it is very, very out of character for Phoenix to use em in any way.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that these revisions make sense, and we have a rule against scaling from crossovers.

You can ask here for calculation help:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1416650

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, this seems reasonable. Phoenix Wright could be 9-B physically given the locked door knocking feat; he's got some consistent Tier 9 durability feats. The Taiser is a Street level durability feat iirc; at least according to this article 400,000 volt tasers are around that level. But the Tiger attack, car crash, and falling off a cliff all seem consistently Wall level durability feats. The TNT explosion thing is from the Professor Layton crossover, so that can be removed.

Guns and knives are consistently 9-C.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Wall level AP and durability seem to make sense.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Understood.

Are you sure getting run over by a car, flying in mid air and clashing against a street sign is only wall level? Because all of that happened to Phoenix and only got a strained ancle.


I should mention that, even if it was a crossover, it was written by the series creator.


I could look into all the evidence from the games (obviously only things that Phoenix actually carry on his pocket) and speculate some hax out of em, but hey should only be used on a bloodlusted Phoenix, since he would never ever use evidence to hurt anyone.

 

[Antvasima]

That is only Wall level, yes.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

I see.

I guess street level is going to be the higher end on his durability.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We use Kinetic energy to calc car crashes; even a 2000 kg car traveling at 32 m/s, which is a high ball comes out 1.024 Megajoules, which is still Wall level

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Is it okay for the evidence to be added?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, that could be added to his standard equipment.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Alright then. Ill look into that.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Combat aplicable evidence Phoenix possesed (physically) at one point:

The Thinker - Clock in the form of a statue. The clock's gears have been removed. Made by Larry Butz. Strong enough to cause fatal head trauma.(1-2)

Samurai Spear - The murder weapon. A break in the shaft has been mended with duct tape.(1-3)

Shichishito - Ceremonial Sword (3-2)

Katana (5-5)

Pistol - The murder weapon. 22-caliber. Fired 3 times. Bears prints from Edgeworth's right hand. (1-4), Revolver (2-1)

Edgeworth's Knife - The murder weapon, found in Edgeworth's toolbox. (1-5) Switchblade Knife - Belonged to murderer Joe Darke. (1-5), "Maya"´s knife (2-2) De Killer´s Knife (2-4), Dagger (3-4)

Victim´s Staff (3-4)- Has a sword hidden inside. The actual weapon used to murder the victim.

HH-3000 Bomb - It was hidden inside a stuffed animal and can be detonated remotely.


Extra - (Not weapons, but might give Wright some aditional skills)

Wiretap - In case the opponent has a cellphone based moveset or ability, Phoenix can hear in with prep time.(1-2)

Sleeping Pill Bottle (1-3), Dahlia´s Present (3-1), Small Bottle and Pottasium Cyanide (4-3) - Sleep inducing, Poisoning with preptime

Missile (1-4) - K-9 Unit in training. Metal Detector (1-4) - Makes a noise when metallic objects are near. A useful detection device.

Luminol Testing Fluid (1-5) - Solution used for scientific investigation. Finds bloods traces.

Maya's Magatama (2-2)- This gives Wright legit Mind Reading.

Scooter (4-3) - Vehicle.

MC Bomber - Hyped to be a powerful computer virus able to wipe up data on a collateral manner. Data Manipulation?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, you obviously cannot add such a messy list to the page itself, only brief mentions of equipment that he can use as practical tools or weapons.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, list is a little big and you don't have to list every single weapon. Just pick some of the more prominent ones and organize them;

• In
• Bullet
• Points
• Like
• This

Not sure the exact limit, but I do recall Reppuzan mentioning how he prefers standard equipment written out.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Understood, its just that there are multiple guns and multiple knives.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

BUMP

 

[Antvasima]

Me and Medeus already seem to have answered this.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Phoenix´s page is locked and i cannot add the changes agrred upon in this thread.

 

[Antvasima]

I will unlock it. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Done

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. I think that the profile can probably remain unlocked though.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I close this thread?

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Yeah, i have nothing else to add to Canon Phoenix.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.