Pan vs Cell (Toei)

[JediMindTrickz]

Because why not?

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Rules:

• Bloodlusted​
• Cell cannot spawn Cell jrs/self-destruct​
• No Giru for Pan​
• 4-A keys​

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Pan:
Cell (Toei): 3 (@LephyrTheRevanchist, @Adem_Warlock69, @jojo123 )
Cataclysmic Destruction:

 

[JediMindTrickz]

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[Imaginym]

What values within their scaling chains do they scale to?

 

[JediMindTrickz]

No idea but I believe cell is Baseline as he has no feats in his dead form and Pan is much stronger than her 4-A key, seeing as how she harmed a 3-B character.

 

[JediMindTrickz]

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[Imaginym]

No idea but I believe cell is Baseline as he has no feats in his dead form and Pan is much stronger than her 4-A key, seeing as how she harmed a 3-B character.

She's 4-A, yet strong enough to harm a 3-B??

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

She's 4-A, yet strong enough to harm a 3-B??

Rildo is actually supposed to be 4-A, he's just outdated

 

[JediMindTrickz]

Rildo is actually supposed to be 4-A, he's just outdated

Oh ok, today I learned

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

What values within their scaling chains do they scale to?

They both upscale from this.

Their respective scaling chains are:

Pan <= Rildo = base Goku > Kid Buu

Cell >= Kid Buu

So they are around the same (if Pan being slightly higher). Cell should take it through sheer skill, experience and Pan being unable to permanently put him down.

Edit: Noticed she's being scaled to Meta Rildo. Nevermind, Pan 100% can one shot Cell, as Meta-Rildo can force Goku into Super Saiyan (something Cell even with Freiza, couldn't do).

 

[JediMindTrickz]

Ignoring the AP gap, why wouldn't pan be able to put Cell down completely?

 

[JediMindTrickz]

Also the scaling for Pan is so weird lol I saw an earlier thread where she one shot super saiyan vegito. This shouldn't be a legitimate match but GT is weird.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Ignoring the AP gap, why wouldn't pan be able to put Cell down completely?

His regen + Plus the fact he's dead, which made the 3-C Goku unable to kill him

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Ignoring the AP gap, why wouldn't pan be able to put Cell down completely?

Regen + Zenkai

But nah, she straight up vaporizes him here with the scaling to Meta Rildo.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Cell probably wins via the Solar Flare into Absorption combo tho

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Cell probably wins via the Solar Flare into Absorption combo tho

To be fair, he couldn't fully absorb a stronger opponent in Goku, so it's arguable if he could actually do the same to Pan.

But I guess being unknown defaults it to actually working for the purposes of the debate.

 

[JediMindTrickz]

He's only demonstrated the use of Zenkai a few times, once where he had to blow himself up to get it so I don't see it as a factor.

Also Gohan was able to beam him to death and Trunks was able to do the same thing to him so I don't understand the regen argument.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Also Gohan was able to beam him to death and Trunks was able to do the same thing to him so I don't understand the regen argument.

Because they were straight up stronger by very high amounts. Which is why I changed stance to Pan actually managing to do it, since her scaling to Meta-Rildo puts her on waaaaay higher levels.

The argument becomes if she can avoid Cell absorbing her.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

To be fair, he couldn't fully absorb a stronger opponent in Goku, so it's arguable if he could actually do the same to Pan.

That's probably because GT Goku resists Absorption lel

Pan's wincon would probably be pulling a Pikkon because killing Cell is out of the window

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

That's probably because GT Goku resists Absorption lel

Huh, never noticed he does have it listed, lol


Fair enough then, Cell can more likely win.

 

[JediMindTrickz]

Killing cell is certainly not out of the window... but vote counted

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Killing cell is certainly not out of the window... but vote counted

It's moreso, she can incapacitate him by vaping him. But I don't see that being likely compared to Cell tricking her and absorbing.

 

[JediMindTrickz]

I see Pan beaming Cell as significantly more likely than Cell resorting to solar flare and attempting to absorb, especially when he has a habit of underestimating his opponent.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I see Pan beaming Cell as significantly more likely than Cell resorting to solar flare and attempting to absorb, especially when he has a habit of underestimating his opponent.

Considering she definitely goes more for hand to hand than straight up full AoE beam (which reminder, she would need to fully envelop Cell to successfully vape him, otherwise he regens), the moment Cell realizes he's outclassed, he would go for the absorption. That's literally what happened against Goku.

 

[JediMindTrickz]

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[JediMindTrickz]

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[JediMindTrickz]

bump!

 

[jojo123]

Cell FRA

 

[JediMindTrickz]

vote counted + bump

 

[JediMindTrickz]

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[Mickey1940]

Pan = base Rildo > Buu = 2C

Cell is 4A

 

[Mickey1940]

They both upscale from this.

Their respective scaling chains are:

Pan <= Rildo = base Goku > Kid Buu

Cell >= Kid Buu

So they are around the same (if Pan being slightly higher). Cell should take it through sheer skill, experience and Pan being unable to permanently put him down.

Edit: Noticed she's being scaled to Meta Rildo. Nevermind, Pan 100% can one shot Cell, as Meta-Rildo can force Goku into Super Saiyan (something Cell even with Freiza, couldn't do).

why is Cell > Kid Buu

what the ****

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

why is Cell > Kid Buu

what the ****

Because he was confident on fighting Goku despite having watched the kid buu fight. Didn't make the profiles, it is what it is.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Cell and Frieza were tasked with dealing with Goku, implying they are more powerful than the villains up to that point who occupied Hell who instead went to Earth, including Rilldo
So Frieza and Cell > Rilldo > Buu

 

[Mickey1940]

oh this is GT Cell

ok then yeah Cell stomps