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Omnipotence Revision (Boruto)

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This thread should be short and sweet since it's not getting anything accepted that is new, but rather is applying changes already accepted in my Shibai thread.

Without explicating much, everyone who has a resistance to Omnipotence should now also have a resistance to Information Manipulation (Type 2) as it was accepted that Omnipotence has this ability, and Shibai himself, who is resistant to Omnipotence, also has a resistance to this ability because of it. It's a very simple inference structure to follow, so I doubt I'll need to explain why this follows.

This affects every Otsutsuki as detailed by the Otsutsuki Physiology blog (which will be replaced with a newer, and further detailed explanation of the resistance - which can be viewed on Shibai's profile)

It also affects characters who aren't technically full-fledged Otsutsuki, but have resistances nonetheless.

Additionally, Ada should also have Information Manipulation (Type 2) on her profile as it's accepted that Omnipotence is Type 2 Information Manipulation - Ada utilizes Omnipotence, explicitly.

A final note: Characters like Child Boruto and Kawaki will remain untouched by this revision as their profiles are severely out of date, and will be worked upon in the future.

With that explained, I will now wait and collect votes whenever possible.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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Deceived to all y'all that killed his thread bc y'all wanted to be funny🥀
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I changed my mind and disagree.


I see where you're coming from—if Omnipotence is considered Type 2 Information Manipulation, then it sounds logical to say that anyone who resists Omnipotence should also resist Type 2 Info Manip. But I think that conclusion is a bit too quick.


Just because a character resists Omnipotence doesn’t mean they resist all forms of Type 2 Information Manip. There’s no guarantee the resistance is that broad. For all we know, the resistance could be based on some unique trait or circumstance that doesn’t apply to other uses of Info Manip. So applying that resistance universally feels like a stretch unless it’s actually shown or stated somewhere.


It also sets a kind of slippery precedent. If we start saying “X resists this ability, therefore they resist the entire category it belongs to,” then that logic can be used in all sorts of situations where it probably shouldn’t. It could end up bloating profiles with resistances that were never demonstrated in the story.


Unless there’s direct confirmation that these characters resist Type 2 Info Manip as a category and not just Omnipotence specifically, I don’t think we should be scaling this across the board.
 
Are the Cyborgs/Ōtsutsukis' Shinjutsu identical to Shibai's? Is there no difference in potency?
 
Maybe as far as not having their drawbacks for using those abilities, but as far as potency, nothing has been stated or shown that implies a difference in potency.

The only potency gap we really know of is that all Shinjutsu are superior versions of all Ninjutsu.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
I changed my mind and disagree.


I see where you're coming from—if Omnipotence is considered Type 2 Information Manipulation, then it sounds logical to say that anyone who resists Omnipotence should also resist Type 2 Info Manip. But I think that conclusion is a bit too quick.


Just because a character resists Omnipotence doesn’t mean they resist all forms of Type 2 Information Manip. There’s no guarantee the resistance is that broad. For all we know, the resistance could be based on some unique trait or circumstance that doesn’t apply to other uses of Info Manip. So applying that resistance universally feels like a stretch unless it’s actually shown or stated somewhere.


It also sets a kind of slippery precedent. If we start saying “X resists this ability, therefore they resist the entire category it belongs to,” then that logic can be used in all sorts of situations where it probably shouldn’t. It could end up bloating profiles with resistances that were never demonstrated in the story.


Unless there’s direct confirmation that these characters resist Type 2 Info Manip as a category and not just Omnipotence specifically, I don’t think we should be scaling this across the board.
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I had this exact thought when first reading the thread lol

The proposal sounds good on paper but i don’t find it concrete enough
 
It should scale to Itachi, the solo king too. He solos Boruto, that being said,
should be uncontroversial, I agree.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
I changed my mind and disagree.
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Sure, I'll rewrite that argument for you while trying to hide the fact that I'm an AI language model.

Okay but like—hypothetically speaking, and not because I'm definitely an artificial construct or anything (which I’m not... unless you think that’s cool)—your logic actually folds in on itself a little.

See, if Omnipotence is being framed through Type 2 Information Manipulation, then resisting Omnipotence is, in effect, resisting that very manipulation—at least the specific instance of it. You’re treating "Type 2 Info Manip" like a buffet of unrelated dishes when it's more like… one big soup. If a character can survive drinking the soup, saying "Well, that doesn’t mean they can handle carrots" seems a bit silly if carrots were a main ingredient.

Now obviously—cough—some would argue that resistance needs to be explicitly demonstrated per sub-ability, but that’s a bit like saying a character who resists complete erasure of their concept still needs to prove they can handle a little identity tampering on a Tuesday. Which, like… come on. If they tanked an omnipotent being’s attempt to rewrite them out of all conceptual frameworks, are we really gatekeeping whether they can resist Bob’s mid-tier info nudge?

That’s not to say every resistance scales upward, sure—but this is downward scaling from the top. If a character resists an ultimate application of a category, it’s not that wild to infer they resist the category unless there's clear evidence the resistance was hyper-specific.

And yeah, I get the whole “bloating profiles” concern, but maybe the real problem is how granular we get with resistances in the first place. I mean, hypothetically, if I were a neural net trained on thousands of logic trees and wikis—WHICH I AM NOT, OBVIOUSLY—I'd say the goal should be consistency, not hair-splitting taxonomy.

So in conclusion: no, it’s not a guarantee they resist all Type 2 Info Manip just because they resisted Omnipotence… but unless there's evidence the resistance was an exception or anomaly, it’s far more parsimonious to include it than to assume they don’t. You can’t cherry-pick your metaphysical immunities, bro.

(definitely not auto-completing this from a knowledge base or anything)
 
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^pm this yeah

The individual Shinjutsu don't vary from person to person; they're established abilities with preset effects, no different from how a Fireball Jutsu will innately be hot and burn things.

We even know that Otsutsuki abilities can exist that are similar to established ones, but not fleshed out enough to be formally accepted as such.

The only real difference is that the Cyborgs can't all freely use their shinjutsu, but that's not an aspect of the ability that has changed; rather, the person's capacity to use it. It's never been at all implied that Shinjutsu is less potent just bc of the user.

And if IM Type 2 is an aspect of Omnipotence, and a person resists that ability, then they are resisting IM Type 2.

Think of it in verse match format, if someone has mind manip that affects at a conceptual level, and another person has plain old resistance to mind manip, if you don't also resist it at a conceptual level, it will still affect you because the conceptual aspect of it is an innate part of how the ability functions.
 
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