Ninjago: Upgrade & Abilities - Part 2

[Ultimate-Rex1]

We have this in EP page

• Fear Manipulation & Empathic Manipulation (Elemental Masters in Dark Island were able to resist and overcome Dark Matter that enraged them and manipulated their fears. This is consistent with Lloyd being able to break free from an even more enhanced amount of Dark Matter, Wu being able to fight off and eventually overcome a strong amount of Dark Matter and Lloyd, Zane and Cole getting even closer to Dark Matter and still resist the effects. Misako also confirms that their Elemental Energy allows them to counter the effects of that Dark Matter)

It should be add this in The Overlord's page as this are come from his powers (Dark Matter is power of The Overlord), and add it as 1 layer due to his Dark Matter's corruption are accept as 1 layer (same as with Oni Physiology)

Ninjago: Layered Hax

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Also add this to EP page. Resistance to:

Transmutation & Biological Manipulation (Elemental Masters in Dark Island were able to resist the effects of Dark Matter, which capable of corrupting the mind, body and spirit, even turn people into zombies.)

Add this to Overlord's page (2 Layer) and 3 Layer for USM (Transmutation & Biological Manipulation). Also 1 Layer resistance to Oni

• Non-Physical Interaction (Ghosts, Souls, Shadows, Darkness, Curses, Data & Energy; Elemental Masters can interact with ghosts as shown here, here and here. They also can interact with shadows here and here. Can interact with Howlers who were stated to be curses. Can interact with Unagami's existence here and here. Even other elemental masters like Krux, Acronix and Wu was able to enter the Digiverse, a Digital Universe, without leaving their physical body which is needed for normal people. Can interact with energy blasts and kick them away as if they were physical as shown here and here)

Add Info as they can interact with Unagami's existence and Digiverse, a game/code can made up the whole universe and can change the entire real world and laws

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— Commercial Narration, "Gayle Gossip: A Closer Look"

Cyrus Borg: Yeah, well, ahem. I've run diagnostics on the cabinet and this game is far more complex than anything I've ever seen. Even more than my ill-fated Digiverse. (He presses a key.) It's a virtual world, made up of different zones inside the game.

Nya: So Jay's in one of those zones?

Cyrus Borg: Not just Jay. The game's play account has exploded. (Nya gasps.) Over 800 players are now trapped inside the game.

Cyrus Borg: I'm afraid Zane and P.I.X.A.L. cannot enter the game. The Prime Empire code is so complex, they could overwrite your programming.

Cyrus: Remember, I wrote the code, but he controls it. His turf, his rules. I'll do my best to keep you hidden from here, but the longer you go unnoticed, the better chance you have to succeed.

Overlord: Just because your friend thinks she can change the rules doesn’t mean I can’t play the same game! THIS IS MY WORLD!!!!!!!!!! (He starts to rumble the ground.)

Cyrus: Put simply, reboot the system. All source code travels through the heart of the mainframe. Follow it and you'll find a glowing activation port. The Techno Blades are the keys to activate the reboot and erase all corruption from the system.

Past Milton Dyer: Prime Empire is not just a videogame. It's a ticket to another world! A world so immersive, you'll think it's real. Prime Empire isn't just going to change how games are played, it's going to change the world as we— (A white flash occurs and static appears as Dyer goes to investigate it. The screen blackens after.)

P.I.X.A.L.: Yes, but the Overlord wants your son. His Golden Power is the only way he can escape the digital realm and become real.

• Data Erasure (As a leftover fragment of his spirit self, the Overlord was able to stay hidden inside Zane's system and survive multiple system wipes)

Add Info Erasure as it reboot system which is the system of codes that make up the universe and its laws

Cyrus: Put simply, reboot the system. All source code travels through the heart of the mainframe. Follow it and you'll find a glowing activation port. The Techno Blades are the keys to activate the reboot and erase all corruption from the system.

Overlord:
DarkMatter' corruption should upgrade to 5-D, as His powers/darkness can corrupt entire realms in dark and it would shifting the Balance itself, an concept of 5-D multiverse. Also make his DarkMatter' corruption become passive, consider that Dark Matter is the Overlord's essence and his entire body is made of Dark Matter which can turn anyone close to it into a zombie. Same as with infectious crystals, as anyone who touches it turns into a crystal monster.

Regeneration for all his forms (Low-Mid; Upscaling to The Crystal King, which can regenerate his limbs after was cutting)

Resistance to

Sealing (If the balance is weak, the Overlord will be strong enough to break the seal.)

Dragon form has all resistances of the Crystal King, as his Dragon form is his original form so it should be scales to his other physical forms
Golden form key [Kai, Jay, Zane and Cole]
Powers and Abilities:

All the powers of his previous base, with all powers of Ultimate Spinjitzu Master.

• Non-Corporeal (Ninja left their physical bodies in Ninjago world)

Tier: Low 1-C (Stated to be has power of Ultimate Spinjitzu Master)
Range: Low Complex Multiversal (Comparable to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master)
Speed: Massively FTL+ (Comparable to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Add this to Overlord's page (2 Layer) and 3 Layer for USM (Transmutation & Biological Manipulation). Also 1 Layer resistance to Oni

I don't get it. Dark Matter has Fear Manip etc. Ninjas resist it so 1 layer. Overlord's breath still works on them so 2 layers. USM's hax can negate Overlord's, so 2 layers. What's wrong with this?

Add Info as they can interact with Unagami's existence and Digiverse, a game/code can made up the whole universe and can change the entire real world and laws

I am not sure if this is a thing. Technically anyone can interact with Information Type 2 in MUs.

Add Info Erasure as it reboot system which is the system of codes that make up the universe and its laws

OK, but it should be limited since it only erases corruption.

Overlord:
DarkMatter' corruption should upgrade to 5-D, as Darkmatter can affect Balance, an concept of 5-D multiverse.

It does not directly affect it, it just spreads evil so the Balance is "upset" just like the scan says.

Also make his DarkMatter' corruption become passive, consider that Dark Matter is the Overlord's essence and his entire body is made of Dark Matter which can turn anyone close to it into a zombie. Same as with infectious crystals, as anyone who touches it turns into a crystal monster.

Looks OK.

Dragon form has all resistances of the Crystal King, as his Dragon form is his original form so it should be scales to his other physical forms

Sounds good.

Golden form key [Kai, Jay, Zane and Cole]
Powers and Abilities:

Tier: Low 1-C (Stated to be has power of Ultimate Spinjitzu Master)
Range: Low Complex Multiversal (Comparable to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master)
Speed: Massively FTL+ (Comparable to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master)

Eh, I don't think that works as Lloyd already lost nearly all of his Golden Power at that point.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I don't get it. Dark Matter has Fear Manip etc. Ninjas resist it so 1 layer. Overlord's breath still works on them so 2 layers. USM's hax can negate Overlord's, so 2 layers. What's wrong with this?

I meant this should be add to The Overlord's page as is his own powers, and add as (Transmutation & Bio Manip) 2 Layer to TCK and DF as:
Dark matter (Baseline)>EM resist (Baseline)> infectious crystals (1 Layer)>Ninja DF resist (1 Layer)>The Overlord power+resist(2 Layer)>USM (3 Layer)
USM has 3 Layer (Transmutation & Bio Manip) due to

Golden Lloyd can separated the Overlord's bod and Garmadon's body from each other, where he removed the Overlord's from Garmadon's body, causing the Overlord to revert to his spirit form

As Overlord merged with Lord Garmadon on the level of metamorphosis which means Lloyd needs to get rid of this by breaking the Overlord's resistance

It does not directly affect it, it just spreads evil so the Balance is "upset" just like the scan says.

Isn't this considered influence? It affects people's nature/balance.

Eh, I don't think that works as Lloyd already lost nearly all of his Golden Power at that point.

Not all of it, there's only 10% left, then Ninja got it all back.

 

[FinePoint]

Not commenting on the specific layers.

Everything here seems alright except:

I already rejected Type 2 Info NPI previously, you can see my reasons in this thread.

And I disagree with 5-D for @TheOrangeGuy09's reasons.

As for Golden form key, I am not a fan of Ninjago, so I can't really comment since there seems to be debate on whether that scaling's applicable canonically.

Either hash that out first and reach an agreement, or provide plenty of scans establishing that they are indeed comparable to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master. The current scan doesn't even mention it.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

And I disagree with 5-D for @TheOrangeGuy09's reasons.

I have modified argument
Is for this

DarkMatter' corruption should upgrade to 5-D, as His powers/darkness can corrupt entire realms in dark and it would shifting the Balance itself, an concept of 5-D multiverse.

Also it can corrupt entire Digiverse

Cyrus: Put simply, reboot the system. All source code travels through the heart of the mainframe. Follow it and you'll find a glowing activation port. The Techno Blades are the keys to activate the reboot and erase all corruption from the system.

Jay: You mean when Lloyd defeated him in the Ultimate Battle?

Zane: It must be where the corruption all started.

Overlord: You think you can come into my world and get rid of me?

Zane: (He tries to reach for a crane.) I can't get out. I can't reach it.

Jay: Uh, I have a sinking feeling this is it, guys.

P.I.X.A.L.: The ninja, they're being consumed by the corrupted program.

Cyrus was the leading force in the rebooting of Ninjago City into New Ninjago City. He is also the mind behind most of the incredible innovations that have made the city the most advanced in Ninjago. But his faith in technology proves a bit too strong, because the Digital Overlord takes control over the system and therefore the whole city. Even though the Ninja may feel they have been outdated by technology, they are the only ones that can stop the Digital Overlord.​

Cyrus: Remember, I wrote the code, but he controls it. His turf, his rules. I'll do my best to keep you hidden from here, but the longer you go unnoticed, the better chance you have to succeed.

 

[FinePoint]

I have modified argument
Is for this

Also it can corrupt entire Digiverse

I know the Digiverse is somehow superior to the normal universe.

Is it 5-D, though?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I know the Digiverse is somehow superior to the normal universe.

Is it 5-D, though?

It's Low 2-C Universe for now

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Also shouldn't we use his "powers/darkness can corrupt entire realms in dark" and "it would shifting the Balance itself"?

 

[FinePoint]

It's Low 2-C Universe for now

Then while it's possible, I don't really see sufficient evidence for 5-D yet.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I don't really see sufficient evidence for 5-D yet.

All Realms are accept as Low 1-C, so it should be his corruption power has 5-D as it's corrupted realms in dark

 

[FinePoint]

All Realms are accept as Low 1-C, so it should be his corruption power has 5-D as it's corrupted realms in dark

Yeah but it's unclear if he's actually affecting them directly or not, especially since the source is him claiming he's going to do it.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Yeah but it's unclear if he's actually affecting them directly or not, especially since the source is him claiming he's going to do it.

It actually affecting them directly, since it removes all the light in reality

...WHICH IS WHY CLOUSE HAS WON.

CLOUSE SMILES, FEELING THE SHEER EVIL RADIATING FROM THE BRICKS BELOW HIS FEET, KNOWING THAT HE HAS MADE THIS HAPPEN.

AND ALL AROUND HIM, DARK ENERGY CONSUMES THE TEMPLE OF LIGHT, TWISTING AND CORRUPTING THE ONLY LIGHT ON DARK ISLAND-THAT WHICH KEEPS THE BALANCE INTACT. WITH THIS ACT, HE HAS DESTROYED THE NINJAGO WORLD.

IN ONLY A FEW MINUTES, THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT WILL CEASE TO EXIST.

THE ONLY THING THAT COULD STOP HIM IS MASTER WU AND HIS NINJA. BUT CLOUSE HAS A PLAN FOR THEM TOO... HE CONJURES AN ARMY OF SHADOWS TO PROTECT HIM FROM ANY INTERFERENCE

STORMS RAGE AROUND THE WORLD AS NINJAGO ISLAND AND DARK ISLAND BEGIN TO MERGE, AND DARKNESS SPREADS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

TIDAL WAVES ROCK THE COAST AS TWO ENORMOUS LANDMASSES BEGIN TO CRASH TOGETHER.

EARTHQUAKES GRIP THE LANDS. PEOPLE IN NINJAGO CITY DON'T REALIZE THERE IS NOWHERE TO RUN.

HURRICANES SPRING UP AT SEA...​

 

[FinePoint]

That is pretty convincing.

Do you have any context you want to add, @TheOrangeGuy09?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Do you have any context you want to add, @TheOrangeGuy09?

Couple of concerns.

"Ninjago" and "world" that Clouse is directly corrupting in this context seems to be the land rather than the entire Realm, specifically because Dark Matter starts spreading due to Dark Island and Ninjago continent merging.
Before anybody says it, while Realms will be affected, they will due to the distruptance in Balance which is an indirect (chain-reaction) feat as I had said above.

Also, from my understanding, Corruption by default takes over the universe in present, and does not affect the entire time axis(es) without a very specific context. Ninjago's Low 1-C/5D is based on three spatial axises and two temporal axises. So, even if it talks about the entire Realm, it still unfortunately is bounded by 3D.

That's my thoughts.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Couple of concerns.

"Ninjago" and "world" that Clouse is directly corrupting in this context seems to be the land rather than the entire Realm, specifically because Dark Matter starts spreading due to Dark Island and Ninjago continent merging.
Before anybody says it, while Realms will be affected, they will due to the distruptance in Balance which is an indirect (chain-reaction) feat as I had said above.

Also, from my understanding, Corruption by default takes over the universe in present, and does not affect the entire time axis(es) without a very specific context. Ninjago's Low 1-C/5D is based on three spatial axises and two temporal axises. So, even if it talks about the entire Realm, it still unfortunately is bounded by 3D.

That's my thoughts.

Unless we got explicit statement affecting the whole Universe exclude the time part, then the entire Universe, including time, is affected

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Unless we got explicit statement affecting the whole Universe exclude the time part, then the entire Universe, including time, is affected

"Ninjago" and "world" that Clouse is directly corrupting in this context seems to be the land rather than the entire Realm, specifically because Dark Matter starts spreading due to Dark Island and Ninjago continent merging.
Before anybody says it, while Realms will be affected, they will due to the distruptance in Balance which is an indirect (chain-reaction) feat as I had said above.

Also, no, it's vice versa: we must have explicit statements that all of space-time is affected in the feat, not the opposite. Ccorruption is one of the things that should usually happen in present, too, without specific evidence.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Also, no, it's vice versa: we must have explicit statements that all of space-time is affected in the feat, not the opposite. Ccorruption is one of the things that should usually happen in present, too, without specific evidence.

The Ninjago Realm is referred as "all of space and time" by Kai, so affecting the Realm = affecting time too

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The Ninjago Realm is referred as "all of space and time" by Kai, so affecting the Realm = affecting time too

Universe is by default space and time on VSBW yet destroying it does not equate to destroying space-time by default. That's just how stuff works over here.

 

[FinePoint]

The Ninjago Realm is referred as "all of space and time" by Kai, so affecting the Realm = affecting time too

Lloyd would you mind giving your thoughts on the revision in general?

You're generally pretty knowledgeable about Ninjago, and I want to make sure I get as much context as possible since I'm not.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Lloyd would you mind giving your thoughts on the revision in general?

You're generally pretty knowledgeable about Ninjago, and I want to make sure I get as much context as possible since I'm not.

I think Overlord's range should be 5D regardless due to being part of the Balance and being capable of shifting it (Balance is already 5D in size). I think Digital Overlord and the USM Ninjas should be Low 1-C too as Digital Overlord should at least scale to his spirit form who is Low 1-C as he exists as the dark part of the Balance (Already on his profile), and the Ninjas were on his lvl. Agree with the rest

 

[FinePoint]

I think Overlord's range should be 5D regardless due to being part of the Balance and being capable of shifting it (Balance is already 5D in size). I think Digital Overlord and the USM Ninjas should be Low 1-C too as Digital Overlord should at least scale to his spirit form who is Low 1-C as he exists as the dark part of the Balance (Already on his profile), and the Ninjas were on his lvl. Agree with the rest

So you think they should have Low Complex Multiversal range?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

So you think they should have Low Complex Multiversal range?

By scaling to USM, yes

 

[FinePoint]

By scaling to USM, yes

Forgive my memory, but wasn't I part of a thread before where this was brought up too?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Forgive my memory, but wasn't I part of a thread before where this was brought up too?

Nah, u were only involved with NPI against Info Type 2 stuff

 

[FinePoint]

Nah, u were only involved with NPI against Info Type 2 stuff

I mean long before that, before my vacation.

I feel like I remember arguing about the tier of the Overlord.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I mean long before that, before my vacation.

I feel like I remember arguing about the tier of the Overlord.

This one? U didn't comment

Ninjago: Tier 1

So, decided to make Ninjago Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be 1-C. TLDR The Ethereal Divide is 1-C due to it is space is of a higher dimensional nature with not affected by Mergequakes storm which only work with a higher temporal...

vsbattles.com

 

[FinePoint]

This one? U didn't comment

Ninjago: Tier 1

So, decided to make Ninjago Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be 1-C. TLDR The Ethereal Divide is 1-C due to it is space is of a higher dimensional nature with not affected by Mergequakes storm which only work with a higher temporal...

vsbattles.com

I don't know.

I've been asked to comment on so many Ninjago threads they're all starting to melt together.

I think at least buffing his range to 5D is a good compromise.

If he directly scales to accepted Low 1-C characters then that's fine too.

 

[FinePoint]

(And at this point I may just have to watch the show, though I dread the idea.)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

(And at this point I may just have to watch the show, though I dread the idea.)

Lego loves to copyright strike media projects so its getting harder to watch the show without using a Streaming website or sum kind of 1 2 3 Movies type of website

 

[FinePoint]

Lego loves to copyright strike media projects so its getting harder to watch the show without using a Streaming website or sum kind of 1 2 3 Movies type of website

Oh, don't worry.

I know how to effectively stream media, if you know what I mean.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

(And at this point I may just have to watch the show, though I dread the idea.)

We know we did it good when we are making people to watch the peak

 

[FinePoint]

We know we did it good when we are making people to watch the peak

Only because it would make my life easier at this point not to have to ask a bunch of different people for clarification.

I never asked to be the dedicated Ninjago reviewer.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

It this can add now?

 

[FinePoint]

It this can add now?

I'm guessing we should wait until all of the WOG removal is finished before attempting any other revisions.