Ninjago DR S3 Update (Adding feats)

[Lloydblitzed]

Could you send a screenshot or clip, please?

Here for the Prime Empire thing, here for the Digiverse thing

 

[FinePoint]

Here for the Prime Empire thing, here for the Digiverse thing

I meant of something trying but failing to interact with something from those worlds, I'm already convinced of the nature of the worlds themselves.

Because right now: "artificial videogame energy brought through the gate, and manifested in the real world, making it unique." I could interpret this as them becoming interactable the moment they "manifested".

If the intention is requiring some sort of special power to interact with them, I feel as if it wouldn't be hard to find a scene of someone trying.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I meant of something trying but failing to interact with something from those worlds, I'm already convinced of the nature of the worlds themselves.

Because right now: "artificial videogame energy brought through the gate, and manifested in the real world, making it unique." I could interpret this as them becoming interactable the moment they "manifested".

Would it suffice instead if the game itself/ruler is stated to be an artificial intelligence?

If the intention is requiring some sort of special power to interact with them, I feel as if it wouldn't be hard to find a scene of someone trying.

We don't really see anyone interacting with them besides EMs

 

[FinePoint]

Would it suffice instead if the game itself/ruler is stated to be an artificial intelligence?


We don't really see anyone interacting with them besides EMs

No, because it says he was now in the form of a young boy.

I'm sorry, but I don't really see anything suggesting then that there's anything special about their physiology/tangibility once they manifest in the real world. It feels more like they originated as information, but became physical things when they came to the real world.

I suppose you can put me down fully for disagree on that then.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

No, because it says he was now in the form of a young boy.

I'm sorry, but I don't really see anything suggesting then that there's anything special about their physiology/tangibility once they manifest in the real world. It feels more like they originated as information, but became physical things when they came to the real world.

I forgot to say that's cuz he shapeshifed into one. He arrived in the world like the AI he was in the game. Also, Unagami is the game, and haven't changed after he transitionned into the world, nor became physical.

I suppose you can put me down fully for disagree on that then.

Okay. What abt EG? Still Neutral?

 

[FinePoint]

I forgot to say that's cuz he shapeshifed into one. He arrived in the world like the AI he was in the game. Also, Unagami is the game, and haven't changed after he transitionned into the world, nor became physical.

How exactly did they get into the real world? Maybe that will give me a hint.

Okay. What abt EG? Still Neutral?

I fully agree with adding the justifications you listed, but yeah still neutral on changing the category to Extraordinary Genius.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How exactly did they get into the real world? Maybe that will give me a hint.

Via a portal

 

[AigerTheKing]

Via a portal

No, because it says he was now in the form of a young boy.

I'm sorry, but I don't really see anything suggesting then that there's anything special about their physiology/tangibility once they manifest in the real world. It feels more like they originated as information, but became physical things when they came to the real world.

I suppose you can put me down fully for disagree on that then.

Didn't we see the Ninjas casually walk inside a recreation of game itself and interact with stuff without the need of being transformed into data?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Didn't we see the Ninjas casually walk inside a recreation of game itself and interact with stuff without the need of being transformed into data?

This via Non-Physical Interaction

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This via Non-Physical Interaction

Well its kinda what I was arguing all along, adding supportive to the NPI ratings so he has a good point...

 

[FinePoint]

Via a portal

Then how do we know this portal doesn't do more than just transport them?
What if it also gives them physical forms? That would be supported by what we actually see.

Technically they shouldn't be able to interact with anything else either, but they do.
Now I know in fiction that happens, but it's also a logical contradiction requiring at least a little evidence I think, and we have no evidence of them still being just information in the real world, we only have evidence of them blatantly not acting like information.

So, while I'm not ruling it out completely, I feel as if we can't really say they definitely have Type 2 Inf Manip for interacting with them.

And if we already have NPI, I feel like that should probably suffice for now.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Then how do we know this portal doesn't do more than just transport them?
What if it also gives them physical forms? That would be supported by what we actually see.

It's stated that all of them are non-corporeal

Unagami: You were born in this realm. A place of illusion, a shadow of the real world. But you are not bound to this place. I am building a machine. A wondrous device that will allow you to enter the real world. Would you like to go there?

Unagami: (His face turns red and he teleports himself closer to Okino.) If you help the ninja, you will never see the real world. You will remain trapped here in this illusion forever!

 

[FinePoint]

It's stated that all of them are non-corporeal

Indeed, when they were in the game, by definition.
But they also literally change when they go to the real world (since they no longer fit into an arcade machine.)
And everything I've seen suggests that after going through the portal they become physical, and there is still no direct evidence to the contrary.

My apologies, but I'm simply not convinced.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Indeed, when they were in the game, by definition.
But they also literally change when they go to the real world (since they no longer fit into an arcade machine.)
And everything I've seen suggests that after going through the portal they become physical, and there is still no direct evidence to the contrary.

My apologies, but I'm simply not convinced.

Yes I agree with you, but it should be has Non-Physical Interaction due to can interacting with them in Digiverse's world without need to live their body (where codes can change Digiverse [universe] and laws)

 

[FinePoint]

Yes I agree with you, but it should be has Non-Physical Interaction due to can interacting with them in Digiverse's world (where codes can change Digiverse [universe] and laws)

Yes, I think NPI for that is fine, and requires a far lower standard of proof than Type 2 Information Manipulation.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Yes, I think NPI for that is fine, and requires a far lower standard of proof than Type 2 Information Manipulation.

So you agree with NPI (Information Type 2) due to this?

 

[FinePoint]

So you agree with NPI (Information Type 2) due to this?

I agree with NPI, which doesn't have types.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I agree with NPI, which doesn't have types.

I meant Information (Type 2) Interaction as they interact with codes of Digiverse

 

[FinePoint]

I meant Information (Type 2) Interaction as they interact with codes of Digiverse

I would say no. They interact with avatars created by code, but not the code itself in the way Information Type 2 is referring to.

That they touched a video game character is illogical but clearly happened, and we have NPI for simple nonsense like that.

I wouldn't say they interacted with Type 2 Information unless those interactions directly altered the rules of reality.

It seems more like the game was just responding to their actions like it was programmed to.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I would say no. They interact with avatars created by code, but not the code itself in the way Information Type 2 is referring to.

Everything in Digiverse are made of same codes which changes laws of universe

Cyrus: Put simply, reboot the system. All source code travels through the heart of the mainframe. Follow it and you'll find a glowing activation port. The Techno Blades are the keys to activate the reboot and erase all corruption from the system.

Cyrus: Remember, I wrote the code, but he controls it. His turf, his rules. I'll do my best to keep you hidden from here, but the longer you go unnoticed, the better chance you have to succeed

Overlord: Just because your friend thinks she can change the rules doesn’t mean I can’t play the same game! THIS IS MY WORLD!!!!!!!!!! (He starts to rumble the ground.)

That they touched a video game character is illogical but clearly happened, and we have NPI for simple nonsense like that.

I meant about this

I wouldn't say they interacted with Type 2 Information unless those interactions directly altered the rules of reality.

This codes are changed the rules of the Digiverse

It seems more like the game was just responding to their actions like it was programmed to.

They don't live their body to across Digiverse

 

[FinePoint]

I meant about this

I don't even know what's happening in that sequence, lmao.

Anyway, other than that you have two staff agreeing with everything else.

If you get another one to agree this revision can be applied, so perhaps you should focus on that for now.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I don't even know what's happening in that sequence, lmao.

Entered the Digiverse system without live their body and able to interact with codes

If you get another one to agree this revision can be applied, so perhaps you should focus on that for now.

Fine

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I share same thoughts as Finepoint.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Entered the Digiverse system without live their body and able to interact with codes

I share same thoughts as Finepoint.

So would it be NPI to Data and Information type 2?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Agree

 

[AigerTheKing]

So would it be NPI to Data and Information type 2?

He said he disagree with Info Type 2 manip, not NPI

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Anyway, other than that you have two staff agreeing with everything else.

If you get another one to agree this revision can be applied, so perhaps you should focus on that for now.

last thing: Would u agree to just scale the people comparable to Zane in skills to Extraordinary Genius in Combat IQ stuff (since Zane already has EG on his profile rn over that)?

 

[FinePoint]

last thing: Would u agree to just scale the people comparable to Zane in skills to Extraordinary Genius in Combat IQ stuff (since Zane already has EG on his profile rn over that)?

If Zane is EG and they're comparable then sure.