New Year, New Composite Human Matchup (Composite Human vs Tiger) (4-2-0)

[ThePrimalHunter]

2,477 days ago, back when CH was still on the wiki, Composite Human vs Lion was made, which to this day, I think is the biggest vote difference on the wiki's history, with an embarrasing 22-1-0 vote in favor of CH. And I mean, it makes sense. CH was given a damn Glock. I remember reading a story of a police officer who killed a Tiger (which are bigger & stronger than lions) with a single well-placed glock bullet. I'm suprised the match wasn't declared a stomp by a mod or something (and that Uradelbauer was still arguing for the lion). So, in celebration of the new year, lets redo this match, but change out the lion with a slightly stronger & far more cool and badass animal.

Spoiler: Small Little Story

So to those of you that have seen the show "Impractical Jokers", do you remember the punishment for Sal where he was locked in a room with a tiger? Well, lets say that CH recently became a member of the Impractical Jokers, and the jokers pulled this prank again, though this time they just dropped CH into the middle of a tropical forest full of tigers and said "good luck." (Average Murr punishment)

And as luck would have it, he was placed litteraly 10 feet away from an unchained & hungry tiger. Luckily, the jokers also let him bring along a machete & a knife, so he does have some options to defend himself

No matter who wins this I doubt that this episode is going to ever get streamed with how gorey this match will be

Ground Rules:

• Speed Unequal
• CH has a machete & a combat knife
• The tiger is bloodlusted
• The tiger is a large male in his prime
• They start 10 feet (about 3 meters) apart
• Fight takes place in a tropical forest

Note: Most of the time when humans kill tigers or other large animals with their bare hands/melee weaponry, it's often because the animal is old/sick/starved and/or isn't going all out on the human. From what I can tell, there isn't much, if any, cases of a human 1v1ing a full-health bloodlusted tiger and coming out on top, even with melee weaponry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but CH is trying to do something no other human has actually done here. Also if this ends up being a stomp for either party I have a backup match for CH

Who Wins?

Homosapien: 4 (Rayfire, H3, Ebihara, Primal)
Panthera tigris: 2 (Dr_membrane, Yanina92)
The Jokers Stop The Punishment Before it Goes Too Far: 0 ()

2nd Note: Here's a size comparison between a tiger & an average-sized dude:

 

[Yoriichi999]

The composite human should take this with mid-high difficulty especially since the machete and knife would be semi-useful. The tiger would definitely injure the human considerably though without a doubt.

 

[Rayfire]

The machete in particular gives the range advantage to CH, which is especially useful with more & greater feats of combat speed. There's also the fact that CH has technically dealt with many tigers before, so this kind of encounter won't be anything new to CH, and they are also a Genius Level combatant, so coming up with the best strategy to fight the tiger should be easy too, and knowing that tigers usually go for the throat will be very handy for CH to know too. Knowledge of tiger anatomy is also useful if CH needs to stab/slice the tiger anywhere vital really quickly

I don't know where the tiger scales when it comes to LS, but they and CH are within the same tier and CH can get far stronger thanks to adrenaline (Which allows even ordinary people to lift cars, and CH is obviously far stronger than the average person) So if it comes down to a struggle CH shouldn't be entirely finished.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Following

 

[H3110l12345I20]

bump

 

[Dr_membrane]

tiger should take this because wild animals have way more experience with fire or death situations, it;s also bloodlusted so it's going to ignore most nonlethal attacks just to go for the kill.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

tiger should take this because wild animals have way more experience with fire or death situations, it;s also bloodlusted so it's going to ignore most nonlethal attacks just to go for the kill.

Vote counted, though I'd argue CH has a lot more experience in life or death situations, having the experience of every soldier in a warzone, every person that has faced every serial killer, our ancestors who dealt with life or death situations with animals daily, ect. Humans have been in countless life-or-death situations before & someone with the combined knowledge of all humans, such as Composite Human, would be more than experienced with them

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

The machete in particular gives the range advantage to CH, which is especially useful with more & greater feats of combat speed. There's also the fact that CH has technically dealt with many tigers before, so this kind of encounter won't be anything new to CH, and they are also a Genius Level combatant, so coming up with the best strategy to fight the tiger should be easy too, and knowing that tigers usually go for the throat will be very handy for CH to know too. Knowledge of tiger anatomy is also useful if CH needs to stab/slice the tiger anywhere vital really quickly

I don't know where the tiger scales when it comes to LS, but they and CH are within the same tier and CH can get far stronger thanks to adrenaline (Which allows even ordinary people to lift cars, and CH is obviously far stronger than the average person) So if it comes down to a struggle CH shouldn't be entirely finished.

Also is this a vote for CH?

 

[Rayfire]

tiger should take this because wild animals have way more experience with fire or death situations, it;s also bloodlusted so it's going to ignore most nonlethal attacks just to go for the kill.

CH has over 100 billion lives worth of experience, so they’ll have had way more of those situations than a tiger ever could. CH also has a combat speed advantage as well as better range so avoiding lethal attacks shouldn’t be an issue, the tiger just gets skill-stomped here especially when CH knows how tigers behave, and has encountered likely thousands of them before.

Also is this a vote for CH?

Yes

 

[Ebihara]

2,477 days ago, back when CH was still on the wiki, Composite Human vs Lion was made, which to this day, I think is the biggest vote difference on the wiki's history, with an embarrasing 22-1-0 vote in favor of CH. And I mean, it makes sense. CH was given a damn Glock.

this made me laugh my ass off.

I also think CH skill stomps.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Yes

Vote Counted

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Technically, as this isn't combined human, CH should have at a bare minimum, all the best experience feats a human could have. But CH FRA even if that is the case

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Technically, as this isn't combined human, CH should have at a bare minimum, all the best experience feats a human could have. But CH FRA even if that is the case

Vote counted

 

[Rayfire]

Technically, as this isn't combined human, CH should have at a bare minimum, all the best experience feats a human could have. But CH FRA even if that is the case

Lenny McLean has been in more than 2,500 unlicensed fights, and zoologists will also have had plenty of experience and knowledge of tigers, so CH would still have a huge advantage either way

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I also think CH skill stomps.

Vote Counted

 

[Yanina92]

I don't know, Tiger are not animals that you can kill easily with an machete. If the Tiger breaks the arm of the human it can easily dismantle they.

So I vote for the Tiger for also being much stronger and bigger pound per pound.

 

[Rayfire]

I don't know, Tiger are not animals that you can kill easily with an machete. If the Tiger breaks the arm of the human it can easily dismantle they.

It is relatively easy when CH should be far more accurate and skilled than the likes of This guy with a weapon, and that even normal people wielding machetes can easily cut through solid materials like wood or bone. CH will have no problem going for the head before the tiger can do anything

CH's combat speed is also much faster with a weapon, since peak human sword striking is well within subsonic speeds. CH has a pretty notable speed advantage here and skill-stomps. Knowing a ton about tigers and encountering them before doesn’t help the tigers case either.

 

[Yanina92]

It is relatively easy when CH should be far more accurate and skilled than the likes of This guy with a weapon, and that even normal people wielding machetes can easily cut through solid materials like wood or bone. CH will have no problem going for the head before the tiger can do anything

I don't think the human will be strong enough to just behead an tiger like nothing, and an Tiger can also do the same to the human. An one attack from the Tiger will calp the human without problem.

CH's combat speed is also much faster with a weapon, since peak human sword striking is well within subsonic speeds. CH has a pretty notable speed advantage here and skill-stomps. Knowing a ton about tigers and encountering them before doesn’t help the tigers case either.

Idk for what will skill work there, if the human will not kill the Tiger in the first shot before the Tiger hits him it will not work for nothing. Composite Human is not faster than Tiger in any way, it will not react to an Tiger burst which will break their bones.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I don't think the human will be strong enough to just behead an tiger like nothing, and an Tiger can also do the same to the human. An one attack from the Tiger will calp the human without problem.

Well, has the tiger so far hasn't been shown to withstand or survive something on the level of machete strikes, and since CH's combat speed is faster with a weapon, it will give the chance to do what a similar cat has done to a lion/tiger's vein (if I could remember correctly). At that point, it won't be able to one-shot with just as much energy.

Idk for what will skill work there, if the human will not kill the Tiger in the first shot before the Tiger hits him it will not work for nothing. Composite Human is not faster than Tiger in any way, it will not react to an Tiger burst which will break their bones.

It really depends on the weapon and what machete and knife users have been shown to do. However, I think I can pull up a feat of a guy killing a bear (which are heavier than tigers usually) with a neck stab. Hold on a sec.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Here is the neck stab feat

 

[Rayfire]

I don't think the human will be strong enough to just behead a tiger like nothing, and a Tiger can also do the same to the human. A one attack from the Tiger will calp the human without problem.

Yes, they will be? This is composite human we are talking about. If a normal person wielding a machete can cut through BONES like I’ve showed you earlier, someone who’s as strong as the strongest humans in history is going to have no problem cutting through a tiger.

Idk for what will skill work there, if the human will not kill the Tiger in the first shot before the Tiger hits him it will not work for nothing. Composite Human

A tiger burst is 18.05 metres per second at best, and composite human can easily react to punches of those calibres especially if we compare them to Keith Liddell, even more-so with instinctive action which is why I bring up prior experience with tigers. Peak human reaction speeds being faster than 50 ms is also a factor here.

The reason I bring up skill is because, as H3 mentioned, even regular humans have taken down bears with basic weapons like pocket knives. Now imagine someone who has the skill of, well, the most skilled machete wielder in history, has faster combat speed than the Tiger, as well as possibly thousands of previous scuffles with tigers.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I don't know, Tiger are not animals that you can kill easily with an machete. If the Tiger breaks the arm of the human it can easily dismantle they.

So I vote for the Tiger for also being much stronger and bigger pound per pound.

Vote Counted

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

So since I can vote here as the OP, I'm going with CH here with high difficulty

A machete should be more than capable of killing a tiger. On the machete's profile it says that it has been used to kill lions (simular-sized large cats) and has even killed an elephant before. If a machete can kill an elephant, it can definetly kill a tiger. Even when cheaper machetes are used by regular humans, they can still almost fully cut through (and in some cases fully cut through) a human skull. Tiger skulls are stronger, sure, but they're not made out of steel. The bone itself is the same strength as human bone, it's just that there's more of it, so cutting through the Tiger's head won't be an impossible task here

Not to mention CH's skill with swords. All you have to do is look up William Marshal or Miyamoto Musashi & you'll see how good humans have been with swords. There's also the fact that although the Tiger has better Travel Speed, CH has better Reaction & Combat speeds, and would definetly be able to react to the Tiger sprinting at them from that distance

So due to CH having the weaponry & amount of strength to kill the Tiger, enough speed to react to it, and far better skill, I think that CH likely just guts the Tiger or cuts its skull open & it bleeds out within the minute, while CH at most comes out with some bites & scratches but no life-threatening injuries. CH might get a few new battle scars here, but most of the time they're coming out wearing a fancy new Tiger cloak

I'm voting CH

 

[Yanina92]

Yes, they will be? This is composite human we are talking about. If a normal person wielding a machete can cut through BONES like I’ve showed you earlier, someone who’s as strong as the strongest humans in history is going to have no problem cutting through a tiger.

And how it will do before the Tiger jumps into it? If the human doesn't have enough time reaction to damage exactly the Tiger, it would one-shot the human.

A tiger burst is 18.05 metres per second at best, and composite human can easily react to punches of those calibres especially if we compare them to Keith Liddell, even more-so with instinctive action which is why I bring up prior experience with tigers. Peak human reaction speeds being faster than 50 ms is also a factor here.

I don't think the reaction time is enough to react to an Tiger short burst, because the moment the Human reacts to the Tiger it would already have moved at least 90 centimeters of distance. In only 175 it would already reached the human.

The reason I bring up skill is because, as H3 mentioned, even regular humans have taken down bears with basic weapons like pocket knives. Now imagine someone who has the skill of, well, the most skilled machete wielder in history, has faster combat speed than the Tiger, as well as possibly thousands of previous scuffles with tigers.

It's impressive, but this was an 159 kg Grizzly Bear while Tigers are double this size and weight makes the difference.

Well, has the tiger so far hasn't been shown to withstand or survive something on the level of machete strikes, and since CH's combat speed is faster with a weapon, it will give the chance to do what a similar cat has done to a lion/tiger's vein (if I could remember correctly). At that point, it won't be able to one-shot with just as much energy.

CH also depends in reaction time to react to the Tiger and do an specific slash in the throat. An bloodlust Tiger will try to attack the Human no matter what just by animal instincts, and one paw strike will already break of the human neck.

It really depends on the weapon and what machete and knife users have been shown to do. However, I think I can pull up a feat of a guy killing a bear (which are heavier than tigers usually) with a neck stab. Hold on a sec.

As I say before it's an Bear less than half the size of an large Tiger.

A machete should be more than capable of killing a tiger. On the machete's profile it says that it has been used to kill lions (simular-sized large cats) and has even killed an elephant before.

It's different because Elephants are not animals to go for an agressive instincts like Lions or Elephants. Also most of these are hunted by many persons, not a single one.

If a machete can kill an elephant, it can definetly kill a tiger. Even when cheaper machetes are used by regular humans, they can still almost fully cut through (and in some cases fully cut through) a human skull. Tiger skulls are stronger, sure, but they're not made out of steel. The bone itself is the same strength as human bone, it's just that there's more of it, so cutting through the Tiger's head won't be an impossible task here

It's not impossible to damage an Tiger with an machete, but an bloodlust Tiger will for sure attack the human not matter what ans the human is also incapabble of actually reacting to an single Tiger slash.

Not to mention CH's skill with swords. All you have to do is look up William Marshal or Miyamoto Musashi & you'll see how good humans have been with swords. There's also the fact that although the Tiger has better Travel Speed, CH has better Reaction & Combat speeds, and would definetly be able to react to the Tiger sprinting at them from that distance

The human would need to react to the Tiger short burst in 150 ms, do an machete strike and the Tiger would still jump at it breaking the bones or doing an paw/bite when falling in the human, Tigers are still too fast for any human.

 

[Rayfire]

And how it will do before the Tiger jumps into it? If the human doesn't have enough time reaction to damage exactly the Tiger, it would one-shot the human.

Swing the machete at subsonic speeds and kill it before it does anything? These aren’t speeds a tiger can keep up with.

CH also has a knife, which, if thrown, isn’t something a tiger can easily react to either. Having the precision of the very best humans in all of history also means that aiming for something like the eyes or throat will be no problem for CH.

I don't think the reaction time is enough to react to an Tiger short burst, because the moment the Human reacts to the Tiger it would already have moved at least 90 centimeters of distance. In only 175 it would already reached the human.

I said ‘at best’ because the tiger also needs to accelerate to actually do this. It will take far more time to reach CH realistically, they can’t just accelerate to top speed instantly and by then CH will already have killed it because peak human sword striking blatantly blitzes the tiger.

It's impressive, but this was an 159 kg Grizzly Bear while Tigers are double this size and weight makes the difference.

And this is a superhuman with all the knowledge, skill, speed, strength, of the very best humans. This is far beyond just a regular guy, and CH arguably also has much better weaponry than just a pocket knife too.

Weight does not mean you’re automatically invulnerable to getting stabbed in a vital area or decapitated. Weight has nothing to do with countering piercing weapons, nor the actual fight because getting close to CH is nearly impossible Even so, CH is faster in combat & reaction speed, so avoiding strikes is also more than likely an option, and CH has the lifting strength to throw the Tiger if they get an opening too.

The human would need to react to the Tiger short burst in 150 ms, do an machete strike and the Tiger would still jump at it breaking the bones or doing an paw/bite when falling in the human, Tigers are still too fast for any human.

Guinness world records would disagree with you. Humans have reacted to far smaller and far faster things than a tiger.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I don't think the reaction time is enough to react to an Tiger short burst, because the moment the Human reacts to the Tiger it would already have moved at least 90 centimeters of distance. In only 175 it would already reached the human.

Explain how. Generally, a quick speed boost to a stronger enemy evens things out. This is just merely an upscaled version of human v 159 kg bear. And I've realized you're using lower feats and assuming CH would only scale to them when we both know those feats would massively upscale to a stronger, more skilled human.

If "X" feat or rating greatly upscales because of "X" reason (like , I can see CH capable of massively damaging bones or even a lion. Not to mention CH already has extremely quick combat speed as Rayfire stated.

TBH, the scaling chain for IRL needs to be updated; the polar bear has plenty of 9-B high-end feats by virtue of overpowering 9-B animals. It's just that it takes immense amounts of time to update a verse as large as IRL. For now, if stuff gets really unfair, just replace the male tiger with a female of a heavyweight class.

 

[Yanina92]

Swing the machete at subsonic speeds and kill it before it does anything? These aren’t speeds a tiger can keep up with.

CH also has a knife, which, if thrown, isn’t something a tiger can easily react to either. Having the precision of the very best humans in all of history also means that aiming for something like the eyes or throat will be no problem for CH.

Again, having good precision it's great but an strike of the Tiger will also kill the human. CH needs to be close to damage the Tiger while the Tiger will also strike they.

I said ‘at best’ because the tiger also needs to accelerate to actually do this. It will take far more time to reach CH realistically, they can’t just accelerate to top speed instantly and by then CH will already have killed it because peak human sword striking blatantly blitzes the tiger.

The acceleration will still be enough for the Tiger to reach the CH, as I say they can easily cross 3 meters in a fourth of an second.

And this is a superhuman with all the knowledge, skill, speed, strength, of the very best humans. This is far beyond just a regular guy, and CH arguably also has much better weaponry than just a pocket knife too.

That is not superhuman, CH is an genius in every sense with every human knowledge, but they can not just kill an 300 kg large size cat bigger than their body size like nothing.

Weight does not mean you’re automatically invulnerable to getting stabbed in a vital area or decapitated. Weight has nothing to do with countering piercing weapons, nor the actual fight because getting close to CH is nearly impossible Even so, CH is faster in combat & reaction speed, so avoiding strikes is also more than likely an option, and CH has the lifting strength to throw the Tiger if they get an opening too.

Weight also means you can't easily kill an large animal, as I say even if CH cuts the Tiger it will still reach the human. How will reach CH be impossible? The CH needs to be close to the Tiger to actually hurt the Tiger and the distance is close enough to do it.

Guinness world records would disagree with you. Humans have reacted to far smaller and far faster things than a tiger.

Where says that? The gun was an distance which helps the human to react it. For an example other felines like cats can react with an time between 20 and 70 milliseconds.

Explain how. Generally, a quick speed boost to a stronger enemy evens things out. This is just merely an upscaled version of human v 159 kg bear. And I've realized you're using lower feats and CH would only scale to them when we both know those feats would massively upscale to a stronger, more skilled human.

That guy still needed time to kill the smaller bear and still was damaged. CH needs an healthy weight to swing the machete in that speed enough to cut through the Tiger throat, and it will still fall against the CH since they are big enough. An large cat of that size falling into all speed against an 80-120 kg human would really broken bones.

 

[Rayfire]

Again, having good precision it's great but an strike of the Tiger will also kill the human. CH needs to be close to damage the Tiger while the Tiger will also strike they.

Weight also means you can't easily kill a large animal, as I say even if CH cuts the Tiger it will still reach the human. How will reach CH be impossible? The CH needs to be close to the Tiger to actually hurt the Tiger and the distance is close enough to do it.

Literally none of these matter when CH has better, and far more combat & reaction speed feats than a tiger. Please look at his page for a second, or at least the links I’m sending you. Do you not see the difference in speed?

The tiger’s travel speed is 16.05 m/s iirc, but if we give them the benefit of the doubt and say that their combat speed is the same (which, it likely isn’t) CH with a weapon has attack speed of… 97.2 m/s. That’s a 6.05x difference in speed in the best case scenario for the tiger. Way more than enough to blitz as soon as it gets close.

The tiger is actually pretty featless when it comes to combat speed, anyway. I did find a quora post about it, which puts Tiger swipes at Average Human speeds, which is even easier for CH to avoid, considering they’ve dodged tons of superhuman-subsonic stuff before. It doesn’t give me a source, so it’d probably be a bit unreliable, but either way, the tigers not getting anywhere near CH before it gets fatally sliced.

The acceleration will still be enough for the Tiger to reach the CH, as I say they can easily cross 3 meters in a fourth of an second.

Even if CH didn’t have a weapon, a fourth of a second is way more than enough for CH to counter/react to something.

Weight also means you can't easily kill an large animal, as I say even if CH cuts the Tiger it will still reach the human. How will reach CH be impossible? The CH needs to be close to the Tiger to actually hurt the Tiger and the distance is close enough to do it.

A Tiger is still flesh, blood, and bones, which are things that even regular people wielding machetes can cut.

Where says that? The gun was an distance which helps the human to react it. For an example other felines like cats can react with an time between 20 and 70 milliseconds.

We are talking about a tiger, not a fricking cat…

A tiger is way different than a cat. A tiger is much bigger and bulkier than a house cat, so it’s actual response time will be slower thanks to nerve signals and allat. CH doesn’t have this problem. They have, like, a million superhuman-subsonic feats throughout history to go off of.

Look at the speed of the projectile. It’s still a feat because there isn’t actually much time for the guy to see the pellet, unsheath his blade, and position it at the exact right place to slice the pellet, all the while they can barely see it to begin with. The tiger is a far bigger target on the other hand, or rather it’s neck/head is.

That guy still needed time to kill the smaller bear and still was damaged.

Yeah, cause he’s an Average Human with Average Human stats Of course he’s not gonna be able to react to a lot of things bears can do. An average human is a complete and utter joke compared to CH. Anyone who’s defeated an animal with weapons before, CH should massively upscale from in every way. Plain and simple.

CH needs an healthy weight to swing the machete in that speed enough to cut through the Tiger throat, and it will still fall against the CH since they are big enough. An large cat of that size falling into all speed against an 80-120 kg human would really broken bones.

CH has handled far worse than a broken bone before and kept exerting themselves. CH arguably wouldn’t even feel it in the worst case scenario, actually, because of this

Anyways, CH doesn’t need to be a specific weight to get peak human machete force, otherwise that defeats the whole purpose of a composite profile.