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Naruto Uzumaki vs Hiiro Okamura

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So Hiro can use words without writing in his final key I assume he still need to speak them and if he is interpreted during the process of using words he can't use them for next 6 hour but this weakness is seemingly for a previous key so I don't know if it's still applicable. I leaning towards Hiro for his Precog,info analysis,stop(Robs enemies of their movement it's not paralysis inducement it's simply stoping them this sounds like an status effect or limited matter immobilization and his profile stats most status effects last for 60 seconds),gravity manipulation(increases opponents gravity by 10 times I am assuming this lasts for 60 seconds as well),sleep manipulation, removal of friction from an surface and elemental intangibility for 3 minutes and complete intangibility via untouchable it's not stated how long this last so I am assuming it's for 60 seconds
 

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So Hiro can use words without writing in his final key I assume he still need to speak them and if he is interpreted during the process of using words he can't use them for next 6 hour but this weakness is seemingly for a previous key so I don't know if it's still applicable. I leaning towards Hiro for his Precog,info analysis,stop(Robs enemies of their movement it's not paralysis inducement it's simply stoping them this sounds like an status effect or limited matter immobilization and his profile stats most status effects last for 60 seconds),gravity manipulation(increases opponents gravity by 10 times I am assuming this lasts for 60 seconds as well),sleep manipulation, removal of friction from an surface and elemental intangibility for 3 minutes and complete intangibility via untouchable it's not stated how long this last so I am assuming it's for 60 seconds
its still applicable

one example of how Naruto could win is when is writing the words Naruto uses the Harem jutsu or everything to distract him and Hiiro will suffer the side effects

and the words to take effects must first hit Naruto and they can be dodged

and yes his status effect only last 60 seconds
 
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Mind you... breaking Hiiro's concentration enough to where he suffers a rebound is not as simple as using a distraction or even attacking him while he's in the middle of doing it.
As Hiiro's literally spent years fighting while using his magic and has never suffered a rebound. This is because, as a huge bookworm who can easily visualize text, it's extremely difficult to break that visualization (Which is what causes a rebound)

Also; Those time limits really only concern status effects and thunder conversion. Untouchable doesn't have a time limit, or at least it's not stated or made apparent.
Funny thing is... In-verse, elemental intangibility is superior to regular immaterial intangibility (At least, in practice), because the elements themselves are immaterial. Which is why there are more restrictions on the former.
 
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I assume he still need to speak them
Hiiro doesn't need to speak the words in any key, he just needs to write them while visualizing what they do. And in the final key, he just visualizes it and it happens (The word appears by itself).
 
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so i re checked the profiles and yeah Hiiro stomp very hard this Naruto

so i change the key for Naruto, this time will be used the first key and he can use the kurama chakra up to three tails
 
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So question, what if words from Hiiro touch Naruto's kurama cloak, but just not Naruto himself. Would the power from that word still work on Naruto?
 

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So question, what if words from Hiiro touch Naruto's kurama cloak, but just not Naruto himself. Would the power from that word still work on Naruto?
don't think so the Kurama chakra would passively corrode the words
 
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don't think so the Kurama chakra would passively corrode the words
I didn't even think of that, but what I meant was like how when Sasuke shot amaterasu at Naruto but Naruto blocked the flames with kurama cloak and simply shed off and let go of the cloak to the floor. Would the words work in that same manner?
 

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I didn't even think of that, but what I meant was like how when Sasuke shot amaterasu at Naruto but Naruto blocked the flames with kurama cloak and simply shed off and let go of the cloak to the floor. Would the words work in that same manner?
Probably yes

the words would touch the Chakra forcefield first not Naruto himself so not only they wouldn't work but Naruto could either corrode them or shrug off
 
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Okay, so as YungManzi said, Hiiro would probably start with his sword swings but then get taken off guard by the cloak protecting Naruto and probably get hit and poisoned but then again, they both have prior knowledge of each other. I guess it depends if Hiiro knows if the words will be useless against Naruto's cloak, if he doesn't, Naruto wins, but if Hiiro does know, then maybe Hiiro can probably just use power mimicry and get the same cloak for himself and basically become Naruto but with much more hax than Naruto, then I'm pretty sure Hiiro wins. Also if Hiiro does get poisoned, he can just heal himself I'm pretty sure. It looks like Hiiro has more win cons, I might have to vote for him.
 
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Okay, so as YungManzi said, Hiiro would probably start with his sword swings but then get taken off guard by the cloak protecting Naruto and probably get hit and poisoned but then again, they both have prior knowledge of each other. I guess it depends if Hiiro knows if the words will be useless against Naruto's cloak, if he doesn't, Naruto wins, but if Hiiro does know, then maybe Hiiro can probably just use power mimicry and get the same cloak for himself and basically become Naruto but with much more hax than Naruto, then I'm pretty sure Hiiro wins. Also if Hiiro does get poisoned, he can just heal himself I'm pretty sure. It looks like Hiiro has more win cons, I might have to vote for him.
they don't have prior knowldege anymore

also i don't think he would be able to power mimicry kurama cloak and even if he does Hiiro doesn't have the same pain tolerance as Naruto or even the poison resistance since is even poisoned, so if he would be able to mimicry his cloak he would be affected by the poison and the pain
 
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Honestly, the only advantage I see that Hiiro has is his Precog which can he use to evade Naruto's attacks and keep attacking, but I doubt he'd keep up when Naruto uses Kyuubi Cloak, which will protect Naruto from Hiiro's words. Info Analysis is nothing new for Naruto since Sasuke has it and he's faced him in Part 1. Hiiro can likely beat Base Naruto, but once Naruto goes 3 Tails, Hiiro loses. Voting for Naruto.
 
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If they don't have prior knowledge anymore and if my power mimicry idea doesn't work, then I vote for Naruto
 
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Since it seems that Hiiro starts with sword swining and not his hax, I can see Naruto using that to his advantage and just taking him out. Tho I am still confused about how Word Magic works. Does it need to be written in the final key? If so, then Naruto should win this easily.
 

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Since it seems that Hiiro starts with sword swining and not his hax, I can see Naruto using that to his advantage and just taking him out. Tho I am still confused about how Word Magic works. Does it need to be written in the final key? If so, then Naruto should win this easily.
In the final key he just needs to visualise
 

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So if he visualises, lets just say a giant nuke, it would just appear out of nowhere and blow up in Naruto's face? (can't think of a different example)

So, if that's the case, then what's stopping Naruto from being stomped? I mean he might do some damage here and there, then Hiiro can just reality warp his way out of this, no?
 

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I am still voting hiiro for the same reasons since his hax Stuff is pretty much thought based
 

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So if he visualises, lets just say a giant nuke, it would just appear out of nowhere and blow up in Naruto's face? (can't think of a different example)

So, if that's the case, then what's stopping Naruto from being stomped? I mean he might do some damage here and there, then Hiiro can just reality warp his way out of this, no?
No the words are basically kinda like spells he can't just think of a nuke he doesn't have a magic word for that his profile has the words he can use in notable attacks section
 

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If its thought based, then I honestly can't see Naruto doing much. Yeah, he is faster, but the AP gap wouldn't make this an instant stomp. And he got some decent healing + possible immortality+ death manip , so this is a stomp in every way when it comes to hax.

Put me for Hiiro for now.
 

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So if he visualises, lets just say a giant nuke, it would just appear out of nowhere and blow up in Naruto's face? (can't think of a different example)

So, if that's the case, then what's stopping Naruto from being stomped? I mean he might do some damage here and there, then Hiiro can just reality warp his way out of this, no?
like Yungmanzi said Hiiro doesn't begin that but with speed amps and sword swings so when Naruto will realise that he can't do much with only the clones he will use the Kurama chakra and so if Hiiro will use the words they will be corroded by his chakra or shrugg off and thanks to the Ap dura advnatage pain tolerance and low mid regen he could survive this kind of attack

or just dodge it thanks to the speed boost
 

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If its thought based, then I honestly can't see Naruto doing much. Yeah, he is faster, but the AP gap wouldn't make this an instant stomp. And he got some decent healing + possible immortality+ death manip , so this is a stomp in every way when it comes to hax.

Put me for Hiiro for now.
the words should be able to hit Naruto first and that won't happen thanks to the speed boost
 

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And faint seemingly just knocks someone out with a single touch so adhesion or friction removal+faint should easily win this battle for hiiro and if things somehow does go south he can just become intangible and Naruto can't hit him then and while intangible proceed to use stop+faint combo on Naruto hiiro also has power null and several stat amps combined with a good information analysis
 

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Hiiro would be able to Hit him fist and not gonna happen thanks to speed boost and corrosion
He has immobilizing moves and Zero Friction to put Naruto off of his game. Also I don't think you notice that 2 characters have a speed boost.
 

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Hiiro would be able to Hit him fist and not gonna happen thanks to speed boost and corrosion
Friction removal is very much an option and why would corrosion stop an thought based attack hiiro doesn't need to write words in his final key
 
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Hiiro's starting speed amps are also massive.

far higher with speed amplifying magic (Can speed blitz opponents who would speed blitz him in base)
And his war key actually has access to higher amps than this, and speed amps are a common starting move for him.

Before, I also forgot to mention that he would have Tenn here as well; who is immune to all basic magic, is as fast as Hiiro with full speed amps, can paralyze people with his voice, and is a pretty good CQC fighter.
He's also a spirit, which are normally intangible, but I can't remember whether or not Tenn himself is intangible.
 

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Hiiro for the reasons I said above. Naruto seems to have no way to touch this character. He has intangibility (Untouchable) and invisibility (Transparent), multiple immobilizing moves (Faint and Stop), moves that make him unable to stand on the ground below him (Zero Friction), as well as deleting the space below him (Large Collapse) , speed amps to counter Naruto's (Swift Foot, Speed, and Acceleration), a move which make it so that Naruto can't come close to Hiiro (Gravitate) and a move which straight up knocks Naruto out (Faint).
 
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Friction removal is very much an option and why would corrosion stop an thought based attack hiiro doesn't need to write words in his final key
Wait, I thought last key simply meant that he doesn't have to write down or draw the words anymore. So the words don't need to touch Naruto anymore for their effects to happen?
 
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Before, I also forgot to mention that he would have Tenn here as well; who is immune to all basic magic, is as fast as Hiiro with full speed amps, can paralyze people with his voice, and is a pretty good CQC fighter.
Hey do you know if Hiiro's final key still requires for words to physically manifest and touch Naruto for their effects to happen?
 
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Words are not really physical in the sense that they can be destroyed, deflected, or blocked to null the effect.

Like trying to use a shield to block it will just make Hiiro use word magic on the shield itself to make it ineffective as a shield.

The best you can do is dodge them, which actually won't be extremely difficult because they are slower based on the potency of their effect.

For instance, sleep is launched at a really slow speed when compared to something like Soft or Stop. This is like, one of the main reasons why he doesn't spam status effects in-character in addition to those magics generally costing a lot of mana to use when compared to other word magic.

He usually uses things like sleep when his opponent is already weakened or caught off guard.

Btw:
When attacking an opponent clad in magic power, this 《Severing Sword – Zangeki》was capable of attacking the opponent’s magic power itself. This would lead to the opponent becoming intoxicated by magic power, muddling their consciousness.
 

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There are moves he can use so that he does have to hit Naruto with like Gravitate. Naruto can't attack him in that case. Same with his normal attack, amps, and Matter Manip like Swift Foot, Big Explosion, and Desert Conversion for example.
 
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