Naruto: Part 1 Children Revisions

[KingTempest]

I'm not UchihaSlayer. I don't make beautifully formatted OPs, I just get my points across.

Main Calcs​

Sasuke Bear Calc

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Naruto: Nard gets coccslapped by snake

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Gaara Blocks His Uncle's Booms

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Main Scaling​

Spoiler: Snake Scaling

Naruto got smacked by that snake and withstood its blow, and was only decently injured cause of him getting shot through the trees and slamming his back on the final tree.
Naruto scales to that, which means Sasuke scales to that, and every other relevant person who hurt Naruto or Sasuke.

Spoiler: Bear Scaling

Now for the lower tier characters, they scale to the Sound Ninja.
The Sound Ninja would've gotten shat on by Lee, who was confident he could take them down on his lonesome. They have no reason to scale to his full power from 3 of them getting sent flying from his whirlwind.

But with that feat in mind, it's weird thinking about it.
Those guys withstood the kick from Lee better then one of the FOD bears withstood a kick from Sasuke. Said bear having a 12 ton yield just by moving.
Why the correlation?
Sasuke's canonically physically far weaker than Rock Lee at that point in time.
So withstanding something better from a superior character would make you superior to the inferior chars.
Basically
A > B
B>>>>>>C
A > D
D > C
D being the sound genin, C being the bear, B being Sasuke, A being Lee

Sakura scales for harming Zaku with her kunai and by biting him.
Those who scale to her scale in that manner.
Shikamaru scales to Kin, as he can move with enough force to give Kin a concussion by making her slam her head into a wall.

Spoiler: Gaara Scaling

Gaara's scaling is extremely dumb currently.
Gaara's sand scales to hurting 1st Gate Lee.

Multi-City Block level with Sand (Gaara uses the same sand for offense and his absolute defense. Easily overpowered First Gate Rock Lee while just toying with him[11])

Lee wasn't in first Gate when Gaara started to hurt him.
Right after Lee lands the primary lotus, his body becomes much weaker.
He could barely even move.
He shouldn't scale to him because of that.

Gaara has his own 8-A calc now. He can just scale to that.

Spoiler: Scaling to Lee

Nobody should scale to Lee's feats against Gaara except the Sand Shield and Chidori.
The scaling is based off of the scaling to his Sand Armor, and how Naruto and Sasuke could both crack his sand armor (on their profiles)
It's dumb. Injured Base Lee himself cracked and broke through his sand armor many times.

The damage on the sand armor is ridiculously inconsistent, as when First Gate Lee attacked the sand armor, it was already cracked. Even with the fourth gate's kick, a single genuine hit cracked and crumbled his entire body. It got to the point where he wasn't even punching him anymore, he was just flopping off of him with minimal effort to chip off as much of the armor as possible.

Then the justification for Sasuke scaling to the actual sand itself due to punching apart Gaara's sand shield is just... no.
His sand changes density depending on the form, which means it also changes speed and durability. Sasuke punching through the clone with no feats should hold no merit except maybe scaling above the canonically weak Sand Armor, which everybody hurts.

The Sand Armor shouldn't scale to 1st gate (5x above base) when base was cracking it.

Spoiler: Naruto Scaling to Gaara

Naruto kicked a weakened Partially Transformed Human Side Gaara in his face.
Two things.
#1, this is Gaara with no sand armor, aka Gaara with no durability feats outside of just scaling to his own attack potency
#2, this form is not amped at all, as with Temari's statement, it's implied that the human side of Gaara remained the same.
#3, Naruto looked at him and said "I don't know if I can handle this mf"
#4, Gaara bodied him with a smack.

Naruto should scale to his bare skin, which scales to his AP, which scales to Temari.
Sasuke will scale to his feats of breaking his sand armor, which scales to his AP, which scales to Temari.

Spoiler: Neji Scaling

Neji wouldn't upscale now anymore because of his changed value. He doesn't upscale from 92 tons due to Naruto not scaling to 92 tons. He'll scale above the 42 like everyone else.

Values​

12.2 tons​

Zaku, Dosu, Kin, Sakura, Ino, Shikamaru, whatever I'm missing

42.1 tons​

Naruto, Sasuke, Lee, Neji, Kiba, Temari, Gaara's Physicals, whatever I'm missing

156.7 tons​

Gaara's Sand, whatever I'm missing

210.23​

1st Gate and above Lee, Sasuke's Chidori, whatever I'm missing

 

[LordGinSama]

Looks good.

 

[Kachon123]

I don't make beautifully formatted OP

Sometimes less is more

 

[KingTempest]

crap forgot to add something

 

[Ped2018]

KT cooking for Naruto?

We love to see it.

 

[ssgengar]

Agree

 

[Godernet]

I think it can be argued that Neji's rotation could possibly scale to 1st gate Lee's feats via implication

but I agree otherwise.

 

[KingTempest]

I think it can be argued that Neji's rotation could possibly scale to 1st gate Lee's feats via implication

but I agree otherwise.

diedisasree

 

[Godernet]

diedisasree

strongest of the Konoha 12 pre Finals

 

[KingTempest]

strongest of the Konoha 12 pre Finals

bro was questioning if he could beat pre finals Sasuke

 

[LordTracer]

No references, garbage thread, stick to being fake retired from One Piece

strongest of the Konoha 12 pre Finals

I mean, where’s the lie

 

[Godernet]

bro was questioning if he could beat pre finals Sasuke

I mean that was CS1 Sasuke so does that really contradict anything?

my boy Neji was unimpressed until Lee pulled out the 3rd Gate

 

[KingTempest]

I mean that was CS1 Sasuke so does that really contradict anything?

Tenten saw him chakra deprived do a shishi rendan and questioned if he would beat Neji I don't wanna hear it

 

[Godernet]

Tenten saw him chakra deprived do a shishi rendan and questioned if he would beat Neji I don't wanna hear it

bro couldn't even give me a real link

 

[Stryker861]

you know sakura's a meme when she gets her ap feats by biting mfs

 

[KingTempest]

Fixed

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks great to me.

 

[LordTracer]

Tenten saw him chakra deprived do a shishi rendan and questioned if he would beat Neji I don't wanna hear it

Ah yes, because Tenten is a better authority than Lee, Neji’s rival

 

[KingTempest]

Ah yes, because Tenten is a better authority than Lee, Neji’s rival

bro'sstrengthisn'tinhisapnejiwouldbodyeverybodytherebutnotbecauseofhisapbutbecauseofhisskill

 

[Kachon123]

bro'sstrengthisn'tinhisapnejiwouldbodyeverybodytherebutnotbecauseofhisapbutbecauseofhisskill

English?

 

[LordTracer]

bro'sstrengthisn'tinhisapnejiwouldbodyeverybodytherebutnotbecauseofhisapbutbecauseofhisskill

You just used a statement of Tenten saying she didn’t know who’d win between Sasuke and Neji to counter Neji‘s AP being that high… but you’re saying that Lee saying point-blank that Neji is the strongest and implying that he hasn’t beaten him yet is solely a skill statement.

I question your logic-

 

[Deceived3596]

Dosu should scale with Lee.

 

[Mamaroza]

Agree

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Mostly agreed, only contentious points for me are the fact that Kin was offguard since she didn't know the wall was behind her, Sasuke is stated to be Gaara's strongest opponent, meaning he scales above Lee, and Lee is very blatantly below Neji without at least the 3rd Gate.
打倒ネジの答えはそのハイスピードコンボ...

 

[Ped2018]

Mostly agreed, only contentious points for me are the fact that Kin was offguard since she didn't know the wall was behind her, Sasuke is stated to be Gaara's strongest opponent, meaning he scales above Lee, and Lee is very blatantly below Neji without at least the 3rd Gate.
打倒ネジの答えはそのハイスピードコンボ...

Man, you got scans for everything

 

[KingTempest]

Only contentious points for me are the fact that Kin was offguard since she didn't know the wall was behind her

Was offguard when she took the hit from Lee, also she wasn't off guard per se, just couldn't control her body with large movements

Sasuke is stated to be Gaara's strongest opponent, meaning he scales above Lee

They scale to the same value, Sasuke has ninjutsu and Chidori + the Sharingan which effectively makes him stronger than Lee. Having equal speed and strength with tons of other moves make you stronger

and Lee is very blatantly below Neji without at least the 3rd Gate.

Not in physicals in the slightest

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Was offguard when she took the hit from Lee, also she wasn't off guard per se, just couldn't control her body with large movements

Was she? Lee came from right in front of her. And what do you call being offguard if not knowing an attack is coming? Shikamaru even implied he tried to catch her offguard since he planned for her not to notice her position.

They scale to the same value, Sasuke has ninjutsu and Chidori + the Sharingan which effectively makes him stronger than Lee. Having equal speed and strength with tons of other moves make you stronger

I'm referring to Lee with the Gates since he used those against Gaara when he was an opponent. Also Sasuke hadn't used Chidori or any ninjutsu at the point when Gaara considered him his strongest opponent (which the DB states is the reason he wanted to transform, meaning he considered Sasuke with just taijutsu a greater threat than Gated Lee).

Not in physicals in the slightest

So how would Neji defend against 1st Gate Lee if he doesn't scale to him at all?

 

[KingTempest]

Was she? Lee came from right in front of her. And what do you call being offguard if not knowing an attack is coming? Shikamaru even implied he tried to catch her offguard since he planned for her not to notice her position.

You can come in front of somebody from a specific angle at a high speed to where they won't see you.
Also you're mistaking offguard with not aware of surroundings. She was about to defend against Shuriken flying towards her face, she was on guard.

I'm referring to Lee with the Gates since he used those against Gaara when he was an opponent. Also Sasuke hadn't used Chidori or any ninjutsu at the point when Gaara considered him his strongest opponent (which the DB states is the reason he wanted to transform, meaning he considered Sasuke with just taijutsu a greater threat than Gated Lee).

Gaara has never verbally stated he was his strongest opponent, also he has the sharingan again so that's that

So how would Neji defend against 1st Gate Lee if he doesn't scale to him at all?

Gentle Fist. Can deadass just one tap Lee

 

[MinatoSparkle]

You can come in front of somebody from a specific angle at a high speed to where they won't see you.

Ehhhh the way he's positioned she should've been able to see him.

Also you're mistaking offguard with not aware of surroundings. She was about to defend against Shuriken flying towards her face, she was on guard.

Even if you're in a battle, if you're not bracing yourself for a specific attack it's gonna do more damage than if you do.

Gaara has never verbally stated he was his strongest opponent, also he has the sharingan again so that's that

Uh yeah ik, I'm talking about the databook which talks about his thoughts. And Sasuke hadn't used the Sharingan by the time Gaara started the transformation process either

Gentle Fist. Can deadass just one tap Lee

Not if he can't touch him, which he can't since even Base Lee is faster than Neji

Idk if Neji's necessarily relative to 1st Gate Lee with just taijutsu AP, but at the very least he should scale with Rotation.

 

[DaReaperMan]

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I agree BTW

 

[KingTempest]

Ehhhh the way he's positioned she should've been able to see him.

Even if you're in a battle, if you're not bracing yourself for a specific attack it's gonna do more damage than if you do.

It looks like he kicked her in her face and nobody there noticed him

Uh yeah ik, I'm talking about the databook which talks about his thoughts. And Sasuke hadn't used the Sharingan by the time Gaara started the transformation process either

Databook... never talked about his thoughts. It just said he struggled with his strongest opponent.

Not if he can't touch him, which he can't since even Base Lee is faster than Neji

You don't need to be as fast/faster than someone to tag them I hope you know that, especially a speedster on the level of Lee

Idk if Neji's necessarily relative to 1st Gate Lee with just taijutsu AP, but at the very least he should scale with Rotation.

I'm not against that

 

[MysticCarnage]

Agreed Ig

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah, Sasuke literally doesn't use the Sharingan against Gaara until he uses Chidori since he needs it to make sure Chidori's tunnel vision doesn't screw him over. Other than that Sasuke was bullying him with just his base stats.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It looks like he kicked her in her face and nobody there noticed him

That's just a speed feat

Databook... never talked about his thoughts. It just said he struggled with his strongest opponent.

Yeah it's saying that he desired possession form because Sasuke was his strongest opponent.

You don't need to be as fast/faster than someone to tag them I hope you know that, especially a speedster on the level of Lee

But you'd be pretty hard pressed to tag someone 5x faster than you.

I'm not against that

W

 

[KingTempest]

That's just a speed feat

Ok, a speed feat for him, something that they couldn't notice, so it's a speed feat for him and they were offguard

Yeah it's saying that he desired possession form because Sasuke was his strongest opponent.

No, he didn't.
It says that Sasuke was his strongest opponent yes.
It says he wished to transform cause of Sasuke yes.
It didn't say he wished to transform because Sasuke was his strongest opponent.
They just say his strongest opponent as a sub in for Sasuke.
It's like saying "Naruto used his rasengan against his strongest enemy ever" it's not saying "he chose to use rasengan because he's against his strongest enemy ever"
It's not saying Sasuke's the strongest ever as the cause to his transformation. He's using it as an alias for Sasuke.

It's like saying "the yellow flash was born in Konoha" and interpreting it as "he gained his title as the yellow flash in Konoha" when a picture next to it shows him as a baby. It's just a title sub in.

Is he his strongest enemy that we've seen at that point? Yes. Is it specifically cause of your reasoning? No

But you'd be pretty hard pressed to tag someone 5x faster than you.

Gaara managed to react to and disappear from Lee while he was pile-driving him who's 5x faster than him

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Ok, a speed feat for him, something that they couldn't notice, so it's a speed feat for him and they were offguard

Or

No, he didn't.
It says that Sasuke was his strongest opponent yes.
It says he wished to transform cause of Sasuke yes.
It didn't say he wished to transform because Sasuke was his strongest opponent.
They just say his strongest opponent as a sub in for Sasuke.
It's like saying "Naruto used his rasengan against his strongest enemy ever" it's not saying "he chose to use rasengan because he's against his strongest enemy ever"
It's not saying Sasuke's the strongest ever as the cause to his transformation. He's using it as an alias for Sasuke.

It's like saying "the yellow flash was born in Konoha" and interpreting it as "he gained his title as the yellow flash in Konoha" when a picture next to it shows him as a baby. It's just a title sub in.

Is he his strongest enemy that we've seen at that point? Yes. Is it specifically cause of your reasoning? No

Context. Why would it mention him being his strongest opponent in relation to him being at a disadvantage and needing possession if it's not saying he was the strongest with what he'd done? That'd be like if Goku called Beerus his strongest opponent ever even though he'd fought with far less power than most DBS villains. Also at bare minimum even if you say the statement takes all of Sasuke's abilities into account, that'd scale Chidori>4th Gate Lee's AP, so still an upscale.

Gaara managed to react to and disappear from Lee while he was pile-driving him who's 5x faster than him

Because Lee shut his eyes and temporarily stopped.

 

[KingTempest]

Or

Context. Why would it mention him being his strongest opponent in relation to him being at a disadvantage and needing possession if it's not saying he was the strongest with what he'd done? That'd be like if Goku called Beerus his strongest opponent ever even though he'd fought with far less power than most DBS villains. Also at bare minimum even if you say the statement takes all of Sasuke's abilities into account, that'd scale Chidori>4th Gate Lee's AP, so still an upscale.

"That'd be like if Goku called Beerus his strongest opponent ever"
No, because Gaara never called him his strongest opponent.
The databook did. Gaara made no opinion.

Because Lee shut his eyes and temporarily stopped.

He didn't temporarily stop a pile drive, and moving at a speed 5x what you're used to doesn't make sense.

Naruto threads are annoying. Make a thread involving dozens of chars and instead we get stuck on scaling about 1 person.

 

[Ped2018]

Make a thread involving dozens of chars and instead we get stuck on scaling about 1 person.

- One Piece powerscaler

 

[KingTempest]

I'd be fine on scaling him above 3rd-4th-5th gate with Chidori due to piercing the super dense shield when his sand lowered the impact of his primary lotus
But I see no solid reason to scale base Sasuke to any form of Lee

 

[Stryker861]

"That'd be like if Goku called Beerus his strongest opponent ever"
No, because Gaara never called him his strongest opponent.
The databook did. Gaara made no opinion.

KT Im a little confused on the issue, are you saying that unless the charecter says it themself the WOG doesent matter for strength statements?