Naruto lifting strength fix

[KaydeeX]

In this thread it was accepted that Kaguya scales to possibly class Z via yanking Madara out of the CT. However, this is as blatant as it can get. it’s a very direct feat and it’s pretty much consistent with Kaguya being above Hagoromo despite his deva path abilities. Thus, no need for a likely rating. I propose a flat out Class Z lifting strength.

Having that said, her LS feats can be stretched out to a few characters, like Naruto with boil release, which can further be stretched to the Superior-to-Jigen bros due to being above anything Naruto can do.
Here’s a sandbox containing more justifications for the characters that’ll get affected.
And if you noticed, the class G becomes class T via this calc. which i have no idea why it wasn’t used before.

Agree:
Disagree:

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Looks good

 

[DavidTPPM]

Seems alright ig?

 

[karo_senpaii]

In this thread it was accepted that Kaguya scales to possibly class Z via yanking Madara out of the CT. However, this is as blatant as it can get. it’s a very direct feat and it’s pretty much consistent with Kaguya being above Hagoromo despite his deva path abilities. Thus, no need for a likely rating. I propose a flat out Class Z lifting strength.

Having that said, her LS feats can be stretched out to a few characters, like Naruto with boil release, which can further be stretched to the Superior-to-Jigen bros due to being above anything Naruto can do.
Here’s a sandbox containing more justifications for the characters that’ll get affected.
And if you noticed, the class G becomes class T via this calc. which i have no idea why it wasn’t used before.

Agree:
Disagree:

looks good. although i think naruto from the last onward should scale to toneri class Z for being able to overpower toneri golden wheel beam but i guess that's for another thread

 

[KaydeeX]

looks good. although i think naruto from the last onward should scale to toneri class Z for being able to overpower toneri golden wheel beam but i guess that's for another thread

Yeah, i’m just going through with what’s already accepted.
is there any exact value for the golden wheel?

 

[Testarossa002]

In this thread it was accepted that Kaguya scales to possibly class Z via yanking Madara out of the CT. However, this is as blatant as it can get. it’s a very direct feat and it’s pretty much consistent with Kaguya being above Hagoromo despite his deva path abilities. Thus, no need for a likely rating. I propose a flat out Class Z lifting strength

More like Kaguya withstanding the pull of SPCT for a moment

the class G becomes class T via this calc. which i have no idea why it wasn’t used before.

This wouldn't be the final rating for others because there are other amps that would end up boosting the calc (gates, cursed mark, even butterfly mode)
I have a different line of scaling for the Class Z but that can be on hold for now
For the sandbox itself
1. Sasuke (Part II)

(Should be relative to Hagaromo's capabilities with the Deva Path. His susano blade could physically go through Madara Chibaku Tensei core

This is not a LS feat
2. Naruto and Sasuke still have a way to downscale from the Class Z rating without their megazords. The 10% Koji/Jigen stuff can apply and trickle down to Narusuke, Momoshiki etc

3. Isshiki

Class Z with Partial Ōtsutsuki Form (Much stronger than before, far superior to anything Naruto and Sasuke can dish out,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kaydee.X/Naruto_LS_fix#cite_note-12">[6]</a>

This justification should cover MAS. Which means he should be scaling to 90 whatever tons rather than 45
4. Why is No limits code only "possibly" scaling to Class Z?

Overall, this is a very nice stuff. Kudos

 

[KaydeeX]

This is not a LS feat

It is. He moves his blade through a CT core which pulls that much.

Naruto and Sasuke still have a way to downscale from the Class Z rating without their megazords. The 10% Koji/Jigen stuff can apply and trickle down to Narusuke, Momoshiki etc

Yeah true.

This justification should cover MAS. Which means he should be scaling to 90 whatever tons rather than 45

Tbh i don’t see anything insinuating he possesses higher LS than the MAS. he could hypothetically just blitz and oneshot like he did to their avatars. He’s at 45 via restraining Kurama.

Why is No limits code only "possibly" scaling to Class Z?

We aren’t certain the “superior to Jigen” applies to LS fully.

Overall, this is a very nice stuff. Kudos

Thanks.
I might need get this closed tho
It creates more holes than it fixes lol

 

[karo_senpaii]

Yeah, i’m just going through with what’s already accepted.
is there any exact value for the golden wheel?

not really, although it has enough force to pull the moon apart from it's gbe and naruto basically just pushed against it. It could be calced though.

 

[Testarossa002]

It is. He moves his blade through a CT core which pulls that much.

Idk what to tell you man. LS requires some push and pull. If he pushes it away, sure. But he just slices through it. Which is pure AP. You can get more opinions though

We aren’t certain the “superior to Jigen” applies to LS fully.

That's an arbitrary cut-off for the statement. We already take it to mean AP, Speed, Dura and striking strength. Being skeptic for LS scaling is arbitrary. Especially when Code is primarily a physical combatant

 

[KaydeeX]

LS requires some push and pull

He pushes through its core with his blade. It’s not something i’m willing to die on tho

That's an arbitrary cut-off for the statement. We already take it to mean AP, Speed, Dura and striking strength. Being skeptic for LS scaling is arbitrary. Especially when Code is primarily a physical combatant

I’ll change it shortly

 

[karo_senpaii]

actually doesn't toneri just use telekenesis to control his TSO? so the beam he pushed with all his might at naruto and naruto pushed back should just scale naruto to class z