Naruto/Boruto Dattebayo Discussion Thread #32

[KLOL506]

Now that I think about it,the Shinju calc should be enviormental destruction now right?

I don't think so, the TBB did shake the entire battlefield and people from there could easily feel the shockwaves even from the farthest oceans, so...

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Shinju calc doesn't use the TBB, it's about the Shinju forming.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Woops I mean Tenpenchii not the tree summoning

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I don't think so, with chakra control mechanics. Juubi can focus the same amount of energy or a greater amount into a Juubidama which is much stronger.

Also yeah, Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke are going down to Low 7-C.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

No female Susanoo from Sarada = rants in top notch Japanese from me on Kishi's Twitter.

 

[AlexSoloVaAlFuturo]

Let's hope that or brave BFF, conqueror of worlds, at least get noticed.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I don't think Sarada's Susanoo will look "female" because the Susanoo in Naruto are based on the Yamabushi, who I don't think have a female equivalent in terms of styled design

 

[BlackeJan]

I don't think so, with chakra control mechanics. Juubi can focus the same amount of energy or a greater amount into a Juubidama which is much stronger.

Also yeah, Part 1 Naruto and Sasuke are going down to Low 7-C.

Why is that? If Gaara can get 7-C (same with Choji) and V1 Naruto/CM Sasuke > Choji/Gaara so they would keep their 7-C

 

[AstralKing7]

Sasuke's curse Mark is stronger than Kimimaros and the other Sound 4 so maybe Sasuke should be 10x stronger than Kimimaro CM2 or scale above it by an unknown amount

 

[AstralKing7]

I also got new information about the Jonin level characters which may change the whole scaling and it also may prove MhS+ Jonin as well

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Let me correct myself, I meant Naruto shouldn't be 7-C with Rasengan for hurting Kabuto. I'd rsther thst be a outlier or something because it makes no sense not to scale people who are clearly more skillful above him, like Konohamaru/Boruto.

It shouldn't matter if Naruto has a feat and they don't. The verses mechanics dictate that they'd scale by virtue of being more skillful. To say that they shouldn't scale is tantamount to saying being more skillful and the chakra control mechanic of the verse is useless.

So if Borutoand Konohamaru don't scale to 7-C, Naruto's feat should be considered an outlier.

 

[AstralKing7]

I agree with this^. Naruto verse has its own way of scaling

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I always took it as Naruto's Rasengan were better given that an actual function of the Rasengan was control of the volume and density of Chakra put into the Rasengan. Given how Naruto's Chakra control in Part 1 was poor (Kakashi points out how Naruto overshoots his Jutsu by putting more Chakra than needed into his Jutsu) it means he puts more Chakra into it. Given his naturally large Chakra reserve, it makes sense he's chucking out more Chakra dense Rasengan than what Boruto and Konohamaru do.

 

[AstralKing7]

Boruto inherited his fathers large reserves of chakra

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

When has that ever been stated or given to us?

 

[AstralKing7]

When Boruto can make more shadow clones than Kid Sasuke, as well when Kid Sasuke was surprised that kid Naruto could still move after making 3 to 4 clones in the Forest of Death against the rain ninja.

The fact that Boruto is an Uzamaki automatically means he has large reserves of chakra. Kid Naruto just had more because of his seal

Also didn't Kakashi state the more chakra you put into an attack the harder it is to control. The fact that Naruto was putting that much chakra into his attacks back then contradicts his poor chakra control which means that should be an outlier.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@Imade

You are confusing what was said and how it was explained:


Based on this, Naruto would build up a large amount of chakra, but use a little of it to actually create said jutsu, thus wasting a vast amount if chakra. His large Reserves it what allows him to be bad at it with little consequence.

 

[AstralKing7]

It's kinda lame how Jiraiya didn't teach Naruto Chakra Control back then. I can see the reason why but dang. Naruto would have been a beast back then with the chakra control he has now

 

[BlackeJan]

Well don't forget the reason why he had poor chakra control was cause of Kurama

 

[AstralKing7]

Pervy Sage could have just taken out the time to ask Tsuande for Yamato to help them train. Kishi was really tryna set up a time skip and future arcs by having Naruto train for different things

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Boruto making more than Sasuke doesn't mean anything since we're talking about a comparison of Boruto and Naruto. Also, Naruto makes over a dozen clones with Sasuke watching when they fight Zabuza.

Being an Uzumaki does mean he has larger reserves, but doesn't mean he has the same as Naruto.

The point about Rasengan though was control. It's literally control, volume and density which you must master to be able to use. Naruto has more Chakra, thus the density can be higher with him which would explain his higher AP Rasengan.

 

[AstralKing7]

Okay bro, you do understand that Naruto putting way more chakra into the Rasengan and controlling it would thus be the Giant Rasengan. We know pre time skip Naruto doesn't have any chakra control. Naruto has more chakra but he can't control all of that chakra.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

We don't know the amount of Chakra needed to go from Rasengan to Giant Rasengan. We just know that Giant Rasengan has more than Rasengan. Naruto's Rasengan can just averagely be more in density due to average amount of Chakra he uses.

>We know pre time skip Naruto doesn't have any chakra control.

That's literally false. The whole point of Kakashi's tree running training was to get Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura to improve on Chakra control.

Following that, Kakashi has Ebisu teach Naruto to further improve on Chakra control through water walking. Jiraiya here actually intervenes and undoes Orochimaru's seal on Naruto which is messing with his Chakra control. After the seal is undone Naruto easily walks on water.

Then we have the Rasengan training which is much greater Chakra control.

All this in Part 1.

 

[Omimi]

So if Borutoand Konohamaru don't scale to 7-C, Naruto's feat should be considered an outlier.

reasonable

 

[AstralKing7]

Rqsengan trainign isn't much grater training. Naruto has trouble infusing nature chakra into weapons. Everything contridicts part 1 Naruto having good chakra control when it's not consistent at all

I agree with Rasengan being 8A as well as Kabuto May actually need to be revised as well

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

That feat of Sasuke moving his Chibaku Tensei; would it be higher with a bigger planet? Density of this Chibaku Tensei can be used.

 

[AstralKing7]

Probably I don't even know

 

[TataHakai]

That feat of Sasuke moving his Chibaku Tensei; would it be higher with a bigger planet? Density of this Chibaku Tensei can be used.

Yeah but probably nothing worth mentioning since it won't be anything above the 5-B he's rated at that point.

 

[AstralKing7]

Interesting interesting

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

So what level would it be at? High end Tier 6?

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Before we do calcs we should first get an accepted size for the Naruto earth.

 

[AstralKing7]

It could still be 5B cause the 5B calc they scale to is above 100zt

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Well, I'm just asking for the result out of curiosity.

 

[AstralKing7]

Yeah but I don't even know I'm just guessing but it may even be High 6A as well I'm just guessing

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

The results can change immensely depending which calc is accepted.

 

[AstralKing7]

Has anyone ever calced the speed of Narutos Rasengan that sent Momoshiki into space???

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Not that I'm aware of. I don't think it would yield that good of results.

 

[M3X_2.0]

That feat of Sasuke moving his Chibaku Tensei; would it be higher with a bigger planet? Density of this Chibaku Tensei can be used.

Maybe. There is calculation of the speed of movement of Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei, which is Sub-Relativist. I already calculated the KE of the CTs, the result is Moon level. If the planet changes, the distance between countries also, thus changing the speed of movement

 

[AstralKing7]

Not that I'm aware of. I don't think it would yield that good of results.

I'm personify interested in what calcs like that can value

 

[PaChi2]

>Not scaling resistance Your scaling time stop resistance to every rinnegan wielder,it's why Goku and co don't scale to absolute zero resistance even though he should since he resisted it with ki,it's why Vegeta doesn't scale to time skip.This is not allowed without explicit feat.

Im having flashbacks...

On a serious note: No resistance to timestop for boruto based on the momoshiki scene. And good luck trying to scale resistance to timestop to rinnengan users.