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Naruto and Boruto discussion thread
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@Applelord
The databook says she used the the chakra of the shinobi trapped in IT. That doesn't mean she can't use it alone. She has 6 dimensions created before Chakra was disperesed. If she needed Chakra of other people, she wouldn't have the dimensions.
Also, look at her Situation. Kaguya was up against Naruto and Sasuke and Kakashi. Remember the Chakra Mechanics, If She used ETSB out of her personal Chakra, she'd be more subseptble to being sealed due to alot of her Chakra/Stamina being used. Using The Shinobi chakra to Power herself up and create the ETSB is the best way to ensure she can Kill them and not get sealed.
The databook says she used the the chakra of the shinobi trapped in IT. That doesn't mean she can't use it alone. She has 6 dimensions created before Chakra was disperesed. If she needed Chakra of other people, she wouldn't have the dimensions.
Also, look at her Situation. Kaguya was up against Naruto and Sasuke and Kakashi. Remember the Chakra Mechanics, If She used ETSB out of her personal Chakra, she'd be more subseptble to being sealed due to alot of her Chakra/Stamina being used. Using The Shinobi chakra to Power herself up and create the ETSB is the best way to ensure she can Kill them and not get sealed.
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The Boruto Anime is canon. Kishi and Kodachi are working on it.
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Omfg...I serously get irritated of things like this.
Anyways, @ AppleLord, the only time she would have had to make them is prior to her conflict with Hags and Hamura, I.E. before Chakra was dispersed. (Ref. Databook, Chapter 670-671, Chapter 681).
Things to note: Kaguya can absorb chakra accross dimensions, She can manipulate her dimensions and knows the ability to create and drestroy dimensions.
^This lends more proof she created them than not because she hasn't shown the ability to do so on earth or other.
Anyways, @ AppleLord, the only time she would have had to make them is prior to her conflict with Hags and Hamura, I.E. before Chakra was dispersed. (Ref. Databook, Chapter 670-671, Chapter 681).
Things to note: Kaguya can absorb chakra accross dimensions, She can manipulate her dimensions and knows the ability to create and drestroy dimensions.
^This lends more proof she created them than not because she hasn't shown the ability to do so on earth or other.
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If kaguya did not create the dimensions, then who did? I've been very curious about this.
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Where did she get the moon to use the Infinite Tsukuyumi? If the Moon didn't existed prior to her been sealed, and the databook says that the Infinite Tsukuyumi needs to be casted on the moon. The Anime filler/head-canon uses a moon from one of her dimensions, but she just ate the fruit. The dimension existed before she came to Earth. If she was the first person to gained chakra, then she created the dimensions without using chakra or she had known about them and just claimed them for herself. Remember, In Boruto her temple had scrolls and looked like some kind of school.
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Your first Mistake is aassuming there was a moon prior to her using Mugen. Hags statements implies she didn't mugen the entire planet as her using genjutsu on people is what got her feared in the first place. Can't really happen if everyone is genjutsued. And Stop please. Through some referrences about why the dimensions existed before she came to earth before trying to pass it as fact. And you can't claim a Dimension as yours. Either you're going to say Kaguya has eality Warping or the dimension is hers for being able to manipulate it any way she see's fit.
You're seriously reaching bro..
You're seriously reaching bro..
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Databook says that IT needs a moon. Assumption not, but fact. We never got confirmation if IT really shines on the whole planet, since the moon's light can't physically cover the other half of the planet. We only got the known continent. I didn't made up any of it, just reply with another interpretation to what you implied. Doesn't make it a fact, but it raises questions. Frieza claim himself the Emperor of the Universe and he had some government control over it. But Kaguya unlike Frieza can travel through dimensions and manipulate nature chakra. She could had conquer the dimensions before arriving on Earth. That's what the anime flashback and the Boruto movie implied anyway.
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@AppleLord
What the Manga says and Shows > The Databook. The moon is only needed to cast IT on a planetary scale which Kaguy is implied not to have done via statements.
What the Manga says and Shows > The Databook. The moon is only needed to cast IT on a planetary scale which Kaguy is implied not to have done via statements.
- There was no moon until after Kaguya was sealed
- Kaguya used IT on people prior to it
- Complete Manipulation of the dimension
- Energy levels recovering faster while inside
- Absorbing Energy from another Dimension through it
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The Databook are written by the author himself. You can choose your own head canon, but it won't make it a fact. Show me evidence of IT been used without the moon, and don't bring your previous speculation as facts, because as you saw, it can be interpretated both ways.
Anime shows her using another moon from another dimension as the databook confirmed.
The context of the anime was adapted from the manga, something that Kishi himself wrote in canon.
In the Boruto Movie Kaguya had her own temple where a civilization worship her in the ice dimension. That's where Sasuke found the scroll.
Complete manipulation of nature doesn't equal the whole dimension. She never manipulated the skies.
She was absorbing energy from the God tree as Black Zetsu stated.
Your alternative facts aren't 100% accurated.
Anime shows her using another moon from another dimension as the databook confirmed.
The context of the anime was adapted from the manga, something that Kishi himself wrote in canon.
In the Boruto Movie Kaguya had her own temple where a civilization worship her in the ice dimension. That's where Sasuke found the scroll.
Complete manipulation of nature doesn't equal the whole dimension. She never manipulated the skies.
She was absorbing energy from the God tree as Black Zetsu stated.
Your alternative facts aren't 100% accurated.
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The databook being written by Kishimoto doesn't mean it takes precedence over the the Main canon source which is the manga
Anime isn't canon, so that means literally nothing
Except the Manga never shows Kaguya using a moon from another dimension, so your specific point itself was never adapted from the manga
So? I don't see what that ice dimension has to do with anything
The god tree which had connected to the people of the world, Yes.
Anime isn't canon, so that means literally nothing
Except the Manga never shows Kaguya using a moon from another dimension, so your specific point itself was never adapted from the manga
So? I don't see what that ice dimension has to do with anything
The god tree which had connected to the people of the world, Yes.
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That's what I said head canon, over canon. Anime isn't canon but the source material is canon. Neither did it show Kaguya using it without a moon, and giving secondary canon info that it requires a moon it's accurate, rather than assuming that she didn't use a moon when it was stated otherwise by Kishi himself in a secondary source material.
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Dude, just stop. Seriously, now you're getting annoying.
The Databook only takes into account the showings in the war arc, not past accounts. And even then, the manga takes precedence over the DB.
The databook says Kaguya used the chakra of those in It to create it. It doesn't say she couldn't do it herself, and like I said above, there is a logical reason as for why she didn't. There are 6 Dimensions that are implied to be created by Kaguya before Chakra was dispersed, so thi argument on needing IT is folly.
- Kaguya used IT on people with her eye powers alone
- The Moon didn't exist until Kaguya was sealed
- Manipulating the Dimension how she wants
- Knowing the ability to create and destroy them
- Her power recover faster in them (The Genisis Dimension at least)
- Being able to absorb chakra through it
The Databook only takes into account the showings in the war arc, not past accounts. And even then, the manga takes precedence over the DB.
The databook says Kaguya used the chakra of those in It to create it. It doesn't say she couldn't do it herself, and like I said above, there is a logical reason as for why she didn't. There are 6 Dimensions that are implied to be created by Kaguya before Chakra was dispersed, so thi argument on needing IT is folly.
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@BarryAllen2.0
what about novel
Boruto novel
momo created his own demontion
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/244784
what about novel
Boruto novel
momo created his own demontion
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/244784
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Novels aren't canon. The Boruto Movie and Anime are canon. They are what Kishi gives his blessing on and works on.
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Lol, this got a little heated fast.
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@Barry I know you're getting frustruated but lets keep things civilized.
@Apple
1) If Databooks were used as a direct source Madara's sword could cut the universe
2) As for Novels not being cannon, i'm pretty sure they are seeing as how we've used them before for feats/details of the series and they dont' contradict the manga.
3) The fact that a lot of people argue Kaguya-- althought heavily implied to have created her own dimensions -- is still being denied is beyond ridiculous.
@Apple
1) If Databooks were used as a direct source Madara's sword could cut the universe
2) As for Novels not being cannon, i'm pretty sure they are seeing as how we've used them before for feats/details of the series and they dont' contradict the manga.
3) The fact that a lot of people argue Kaguya-- althought heavily implied to have created her own dimensions -- is still being denied is beyond ridiculous.
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If you don't want to continue the conversation you are not obligated to reply to me.
Those scans implied that she use IT on the people, but it doesn't show how she did it.
The manga provides 0 evidence for either of your cases.
While the databook and anime both provide evidence of the moon been used. Two sources back up by the author's source material.
Show don't Tell.
Those scans implied that she use IT on the people, but it doesn't show how she did it.
The manga provides 0 evidence for either of your cases.
While the databook and anime both provide evidence of the moon been used. Two sources back up by the author's source material.
Show don't Tell.
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AppleLord said:
I'm done son, you win...YOU WIN!!!! _________________________________________________
On another note, the novels aren't canon. Nothing connects the novels with the Main Naruto Chapters 1-700, Gaiden, The Last, Boruto Manga/Anime. Kishi is involved with the Boruto Manga/Anime and gives them his blessing. As far as the Boruto novel goes, even if it was canon, it's been retconned by the manga like the movie.
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Sarada and Boruto used the same fuma shuriken technique that Naruto and Sasuke used against Zabuza
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I strongly advise the both of you stop this discussion before things get out of hand. And no, don't reply to this with passive aggressive comments directed at each other.
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Yeah....this was a fun and boards theard, but it suddenly turned into a pusedo content revision one....
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This us too much this fun and games not content revision
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I said I was done with it and moved on to something else. When it comes to that discussion with AppleLord:ScarletFirefly said:
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Anyways, Boruto Episode 9 though....That fight with Hanabi was lit and the conversation with Naruto and Hiashi...makes you wish Neji didn't bite the dust.
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He died for the ship fam
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Fair enough. But i still think Boruto should be upgraded for beating Iwabe (iirc wasnt Iwabe also stronger than Metal Lee? Iwabe was known for being the schools strongest in terms of Taijutsu) and if we're gonna accept 8-C Shikamaru via his paper bomb, which is a common ninja tool, then other ninja can be given the same treatment, Boruto included.Burning Full Fingers said:
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