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Sandman31 said:They have complete dominance over the multiverse because they quit the war between Chaos and Order, they have complete dominance over the multiverse because the Lords of Chaos and Order didnt dare to stop them because doing so will weaken their cosmic defense posture, because Chaos and Order cant act unilaterally . Their dominace over the multiverse is more "no one will come to stop them" than them having total control over the multiverse. Them threatening the multiversal balance was because they disturbed the balance between Order and Chaos and not because they are powerful enough to destroy the multiverse
Sandman31 said:You mean Ynar and Vandaemon? the two renegade Lord's of Order and Chaos? Yeah, they threatened the multiversal balance, which I'm not even sure if it's multiversal since it was cause by them quitting the war between Order and Chaos which disturbed the delicate balance between two forces. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ICdzuBP8gpM/VnufDcgL55I/AAAAAAAAVwQ/T9o3DKbu5E4/s1600-Ic42/RCO025.jpg
It's like when Cain was banished from the Dreaming, the Dreaming and the real world were being teared apart because Cain is important to the Dreaming but we don't use that to make Cain higher than 9-B
The Spectre's 2-A key comes from him fighting the CoIE Anti-Momitor, when he was at his peak and amped by a ton of DC magician so we can't make anyone 2-A via scaling from him
Sandman31 said:Also, about Kismet, yeah she's been called a Lord of Order in a guidebook or something similar but I dont think she really is a part of the Lords
Aside from that statement, she's been portrayed as a "buffer" between the Lords so I dont think she's "properly" a member of the group
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Which is why I'm skeptical in scaling Nabu and Mordru to her. That plus Nabu and Mordru lackng anything near tier 2-A feat makes me extremely uncertain with them being upgraded to 2-A
Sandman31 said:Also about what happens if the Lords of Chaos wins against the Lords of Order, I dont think thats an AP feat since it's just about the cycle of existence
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"There is an order to Chaos. A detente between our two realms"
"Yes, they have their chosen time. We have ours: the cycle plays out: the universe decays, collapses into entropy. Chaos can only exist in opposition to order. The cycle is balanced"
So why was Doctor Fate downgraded from 2-B to 2-C?Antvasima said:Okay. That seems fine.