Mythology in a video game

[GoldenScorpions]

So there's this video game I plan on making a character profile from, called Titan Quest (a hack-n-slash RPG, similar to Diablo). Throughout the game, you learn about various myths and legends from Greece, Egypt, Mesopotamia, China, and the Underworld, all of which match exactly the myths and legends of these civilizations from our world, whether it's about Zeus, Ra, Hades, Sun Wukong, Heracles, Set, The Jade Emperor, etc. I can show proof, if you want.

The final boss of the game is the titan, Typhon. However, while the legends about Typhon in the game also match his legends in our world, his appearance and powers are different. Same thing for the final boss of the expansion: Hades. Myths and legends are the same, but appearance and powers are different.

What Tiers should be used for them in that case? What's used for Typhon and Hades on this wiki, or figure out something else?

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Bump

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

If their showcased powers contradict the myths, even if alluded to ingame (because there is no way all of their myths are in there) then it's just that, a myth.

If it is shown in lore that they are capable of all that (as in, direct confirmation, not that there are stories of them doing it), but don't do it ingame, that's just game mechanics.

Also, some myths being mentioned does not mean you can use every legend about them like our profiles do, least we get a low 2-C fiamma of the right because he can do any miracle in the bible.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

The myths merely tell the stories of whoever/whatever the myth talks about, not the powers in detail.

Here's an example:

The War between the Greek Gods and Titans

Muse, grant me voice, voice and memory to tell about the first of wars, the oldest battle, in the times before gods had come to rule, when they were bowed beneath the heavy Titan hand. The ill-formed Titans, great in strength and cruelty, oppressed the gods, their offsprings - until at last behind the leadership of lightning-wielding Zeus, the gods took arms against the Titan kings. It was the first war, and the greatest. Oceans were moved and mountains overturned. Gods and Titans struggled for dominion, might and cunning making victors first of one and then another, until at last, wearied in their age, the Titans lost the war. The gods threw down their foes beneath the earth, into the pit of Tartarus - except for one, the strongest and cruelest of the Titans, and he they chained beneath a mountain for revenge. Then Zeus was king of gods, and ruler over all the world.

Typhon in-game has Fire/Lava/Earth manipulation, Immortality (1,3), Fear inducement, and Regenerationn (same as Typhon on the wikia), plus some Electricity/Poison manipulation, Summoning, and Life Drain. He's stated to be able to kill the Olympian/Egyptian/etc. Gods

We don't see the Gods in action, as the story of the game is how the link between Heavens and Earth has been broken, and Gods can't help humans anymore.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Something like tier 7/6 for the sea and mountain bits, sure.

But you can't give what they don't show or are stated to have.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Herakles
[...] Twelve tasks of legend did he perform. Herakles rose above the realm of mortals. Once, he took the place of Atlas, who holds the world aloft. Yes, Herakles himself bore the world itself, earth and sky, upon his shoulders.

Ra and Apep

In the realm of the gods, things are as they are for all of time. When each day is one, Atum-Ra, beneficent god of the sun, descends from the sky. There it is that he must set off in the boat of Ma'at, to travel the murky waters of night - for without the boat, in those dark waters he would be extinguished. And there, too, lurks Apep, the giant serpent formed at the start of time, coiled just before dawn, in the tenth region of night. As Ra passes by, Apep leaps out and, enormous jaws gaping wide, tries to devour the sun god. But fortunately, Ra is strong, and on his boat rides a host of gods who struggle with the monster serpent, and fight it back, and ensure that when the new day come, the sun will rise again. It is true that Apep was thrown beneath the world and half his length is trapped beneath a mountain. If ever he should be freed, all chaos will reign.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Problem with the sun and holding the world is that both contradict the very thing that would make them their own tier.

Holding up the world implies a flat earth, and Ra as a whole makes the idea of the sun being a massive amount of helium and other stuff unusable.


Still probabpy high end tier 6 tough.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Holding up the world implies a flat earth

Because the Earth was believed to be flat in those times?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Because science laughs at the idea of earth being lifted. As does gravity (Which is part of science, but whatev).

Like, lifting earth and holding it up is iompossible, so unless it's made clear that it's a round earth, it isn't.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Atlas's profile tiers him at 5-B, possibly High 3-A for doing the same thing, though

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

...No.

Litirally from his profile: Known to hold up "The Sky" rather than his popular depiction of holding up the Earth; while Greeks may have simply considered the sky all that was above them, it varies on how far their knowledge actually reached and whether they meant the local solar system or, possibly, the entire universe; alternatively, it could be said he is universal by the known saying that he holds up "The Heavens"

 

[GoldenScorpions]

• may have simply
• varies on how far their knowledge actually reached
• whether they meant A or B

What's written here implies, gives the possibility that, Sky = Solar System/Universe, but it's not definitely certain.

How's that different from the use of "Sky" here (as well as "World"): Herakles himself bore the world itself, earth and sky, upon his shoulders. What stops from using the same implication?

 

[Antvasima]

I was asked to come here, but Ricsi seems to have things well in hand. What he is saying is correct, as far as I am aware.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

The word "Sky" is the irl myth, and "Sky" in the myth told in the game, can't be given the same assumption to be equal to Solar System/Universe? I don't understand; it's the same myth.

 

[Antvasima]

We can only use what has been established within the game itself as a basis for the statistics, not assume that the the writers have taken every single mythological feat and concept into account in the exact same manner as originally.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Ok, sure, but then my question becomes: It is stated in the game Herakles bore the world itself, earth and sky, upon his shoulders. Ricsi said it's impossible scientifically, so the feat can't be used. But Atlas lifting the "Sky" is a myth as well, and the "Sky" being lifted is scientifically impossible, too... Yet the reasoning is used in favor of Atlas here.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we do regularly scale from scientifically impossible feats, so that should be fine.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Ok, sure, but then my question becomes: It is stated in the game Herakles bore the world itself, earth and sky, upon his shoulders. Ricsi said it's impossible scientifically, so the feat can't be used. But Atlas lifting the "Sky" is a myth as well, and the "Sky" being lifted is scientifically impossible, too... Yet the reasoning is used in favor of Atlas here.

The reason is because the greeks theorized a lot about stuff like that.

Holding up the sky, as in, holding up the atmosphere is only 6-C, for exemple.


So it really depends how the game actually depicts the cosmos and such-

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Ah ok, I get it.

And what about Ra? Based on the game: [...] and ensure that when the new day come, the sun will rise agai

The sun's rise is reliant on Ra. Does that make him Star level? (or whatever Tier earth's Sun is)

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if it specifically says earth and sky, we could just use the total mass of the actual planet Earth as a gauge.

 

[Votron5]

@GoldenScorpions

That Atlas profile is most likely inaccurate. Atlas holding up the sky could mean holding up just Uranus (Who was the sky) or Uranus and the heavens above him (Which were infinite). He wouldn't be holding up the entire universe since he is not holding up Gaia, the underworld, and the infinite sea surrounding Gaia.