Mxy 4-B Removal

[Jinsye]

So we currently treat Mister Mxyzptlk as a 11-Dimensional Being with 3-D power with 11-D Reality Warping.

This is frankly ridiculous. The very scans on his profile state that he is transcendent of reality to lower-form beings. Normally we don't treat dimensionality as physical prowess but he has multiple scans that place him on a higher layer of reality.

Fifth Dimensional beings transcends space and time, shape and form, length and width.

Viewed Superman across the infinite realities on a gameboard.

Sees Superman and Batman's universe as nothing but fiction and can rewrite it with ease.

These are not feats a physically 4-B character should be capable of. It only makes sense for Mxy to scale to his powers. He should be High 1-C and Immeasurable all around, not 4-B.

 

[Confluctor]

I understand the confusion, but physically, that's his best feat. I can add a note about it how it only applies to him when he is operating in the 3rd dimension

 

[Jinsye]

I understand the confusion, but physically, that's his best feat. I can add a note about it how it only applies to him when he is operating in the 3rd dimension

The wording is misleading then. It isn't High 1-C with powers, it's 4-B when operating on a lower plane.

Even still, aren't most of Mxy's feats casual? I don't see why he'd be restricted from his full power.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

4-B refers to how potent his physical avatar used to interact with 3-D characters rather than the true Mister Mxy. Though, Mxy never punches in his upper-D stages but only uses his magic.

 

[Fireld]

Hasn't he tried to choke Batmite, lifted a galaxy with his bare hands & KOed Spectre by slamming the Earth on him?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

4-B (or whatever) should be reworded to be done with his avatars, I agree there

 

[Confluctor]

He doesn't have avatars - like the new Gods do, more so his reduced self (in dimensionality and size)


At least 4-B physically when operating in the 3rd dimension, up to High 1-C with powers, High 1-C for his true form.

Would something along the lines of this be better? ^

 

[Jinsye]

He doesn't have avatars - like the new Gods do, more so his reduced self (in dimensionality and size)


At least 4-B physically when operating in the 3rd dimension, up to High 1-C with powers, High 1-C for his true form.

Would something along the lines of this be better? ^

Yeah, that seems alright

 

[Elizhaa]

The recent option seems better.

 

[Swerzye29038]

Mxy doesn't operate through avatars, that's head canon. As for the New God's, only a select few have been shown to operate through avatars, mainly Orion and Darkseid. Likewise, Darkseid admitted to not using them most of the time. Either way, he should probably stay 4-B physically, as that's what he's consistently shown without the use of magic.

Oh, and I'd also like to add that Mxy is not quite literally more "real" than the residents of the 3rd Dimension, as Superman was able to enter the 5th Dimension (albeit he has flattened) and interact with it via dimensional travel. This pretty much confirms there is no reality>fiction difference between the 5th and the 3rd Dimension, and that his magical ability to "view the world as a board game" or a T.V. show is just that, a magical ability. It's not a iteral reality>fiction difference.

 

[Confluctor]

Mate, it you wanna change the cosmology, just do so under your own thread - it's not really relevant here. You are just cherry picking one thing - out of context too - to ignore literally shit ton of other things.


You tried the same thing in the last Mxy thread, and I told you if you wanna change stuff, just make a new thread. None of this is Frankly relevant here. I mean you said that destroying a 5D bleed is, what, 2C at best, so idk man.


Again, if you want to have your 2C god tiers, just make a new CRT for it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

He doesn't have avatars - like the new Gods do, more so his reduced self (in dimensionality and size)

I'd say it's more similar to what Grant Morrison did; turn himself into a normal human within his own story. But yeah, he more so turns his entire self into his avatar and greatly reduces his physical stats rather than makes an avatar much weaker than himself.

 

[Swerzye29038]

Mate, it you wanna change the cosmology, just do so under your own thread - it's not really relevant here. You are just cherry picking one thing - out of context too - to ignore literally shit ton of other things.

Neither of the two scans I've shown were cherry picked. I don't even think you know what that term means

You tried the same thing in the last Mxy thread, and I told you if you wanna change stuff, just make a new thread.

Other users have already tried this, and most of the threads have been closed for reasons along the lines of "big DC revision coming soon try again later".

I mean you said that destroying a 5D bleed is, what, 2C at best, so idk man.

When did I say this? I may or may not have, I don't remember. Either way it depends on the context of the feat. But at the best interpretation based on the latest feats available, it would be 2-C at it's highest, since the entirety of it encompasses a 2-C structure. This isn't hard to understand, and the last time I brought up something similar you refused to elaborate why I was wrong, and instead opted to claiming that I was cherry-picking evidence with no explanation. So once again, If you think I'm wrong about something, don't make false cherry-picking accusations and instead explain why you think my interpretation is wrong or misinformed.

Again, if you want to have your 2C god tiers, just make a new CRT for it.

99% of threads involving DC get no where because there's a 'big revision' coming soon. I'm sure you know this, so why do you keep recommending me to make a CRT?

 

[Confluctor]

Then wait for it, doesn't seem like my problem. Again, unless you wanna downgrade the cosmology completely, take your issue elsewhere.


His reasons for this tiers has been explained thoroughly to so many different people that I am getting sick of it at this point. And for the record, his tiering is taking the cosmology split into account otherwise he was going to be 1-A.

 

[Swerzye29038]

Then wait for it

If you were just gonna tell me to wait for it knowing that it wouldn’t get anywhere, why did you tell me twice in two different threads to try to start a CRT?

Again, unless you wanna downgrade the cosmology completely, take your issue elsewhere.

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Since when was dismissal of an obvious issue an effective way to handle the situation, especially if you clearly have no answer yourself?

His reasons for this tiers has been explained thoroughly to so many different people that I am getting sick of it at this point.

explained how and to who? The last time I brought up this issue you basically said “nuh-uh” and refused to explain your reasoning for why you disagreed.

Anyways, clearly nothing will be changed here despite how much evidence there is against the current justification and tiering, so I’ll stop.

 

[Confluctor]

Cool story. Make a cosmology revision thread. Also might wanna start using scans from 2019 and 2020 instead of sticking to stuff from 2003. Things change

 

[Confluctor]

I will make the changes today, completely forgot about this. @DarkDragonMedeus could you please open that page for me when you can? Thanks

Also I don't like his type 8 size since it's kinda inaccurate. But would type 9 and 10 be better suited? Since he is as big as an 11D multiverse.

 

[Elizhaa]

Since I am here, I unlocked the page. Large Size Type 10 is better suited.

 

[Confluctor]

Thanks, I will apply them shortly

 

[Confluctor]

Thanks, @Elizhaa, it can be locked again.

 

[Elizhaa]

Glad to help. I locked the page. Since the changes were applied, I will lock the thread.