Mugen Souls: Statistics adjusment for Chou Chou.

[Andykhang]

There're two thing I want to address:

1. The fact that she create Mugen World with it Multi-Galatic size should be worth a mention. Prefertively an upgrade would be good.

2. Adding one more key as a nod to her's origin form that's at least tier 3-B and near-universal range since she could create thing even when she's reside at the edge of the universe.

Though someone must take notice of this first.

 

[Promestein]

Do you have a link or screenshot of the size of Mugen World?

 

[Andykhang]

Not in direct reference, but through her move Peon Ball and Ultimate Soul, since she could perform her feat even in that realm, suggesting it size and the size of thing she could take it out or in:

Ultimate Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWjCDsl-8sk&index=9&list=PLZLuax5TO5H_sXJScGm2HlzzvfE6ztji3

Peon Ball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j946gOJ5974

mark 4:37

 

[Jesterofgames]

Not in direct reference, but through her move Peon Ball and Ultimate Soul, since she could perform her feat even in that realm, suggesting it size and the size of thing she could take it out or in:
Ultimate Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWjCDsl-8sk&index=9&list=PLZLuax5TO5H_sXJScGm2HlzzvfE6ztji3

Peon Ball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j946gOJ5974

mark 4:37

But The thing is Why would the developers Program a unique animation For that place alone

 

[Andykhang]

They not, and that's further confirmed this feat. And even without that move, the fact that it could house a fcking star with sufficient distance and planet to it already showed that it's big.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXYOvnqnZmQ mark 22:30

 

[Jesterofgames]

They not, and that's further confirmed this feat. And even without that move, the fact that it could house a fcking star with sufficient distance and planet to it already showed that it's big.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXYOvnqnZmQ mark 22:30

It would be about as big as a solar system If that's the case

Also my argument was it was gameplay mechanics that had the same animation for the move being used

 

[Andykhang]

And one of her move is Peon Ball, which could become nearly the size of the galaxy. How could she perform that move unless that world is bigger than that move.

 

[Jesterofgames]

And one of her move is Peon Ball, which could become nearly the size of the galaxy. How could she perform that move unless that world is bigger than that move.

Because the animators Didn't want to program another Animation for said move SO the answer to that question Is

Game Play Mechanics

(Edit: because i'm trying to be less hostile in debates and that seemed a bit hostile for me)

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Dbfan seems to make sense.

 

[Andykhang]

Didn't we also count game mechanic as long as it have proof? (Just look at Touhou FTL world) And beside, the Mugen Field (I forget the name) is so relevant to the plot, it's actually require for the true end, so there would be some kind of indication if suddenly you can't use your big-ass move in there.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Didn't we also count game mechanic as long as it have proof? (Just look at Touhou FTL world)
And beside, the Mugen Field (I forget the name) is so relevant to the plot, it's actually require for the true end, so there would be some kind of indication if suddenly you can't use your big-ass move in there.

Touhou being FTL makes since considering your suppose to dodge attacks in order to progress the story

And that's why it's gameplay mechanics Because They wouldn't Take away your big moves in their but their's no evidence beyond the moves That its multi galaxy sized (even then the move puts

We can see Planets and a sun in the back round and that's it

Even counting the moves their's little evedince it's bigger than 3-4 galaxys (Peon ball is as big as a galaxy and ultamite souls is about as big as 3-4 galaxys)

 

[Andykhang]

And there's the fact that she could create a galactic object with relative ease, and could skrink space of galaxy.

 

[Jesterofgames]

And there's the fact that she could create a galactic object with relative ease, and could skrink space of galaxy.

Evidince for the first

And that's with ultimate soul with the latter

also being able to shrink a galaxy doesn't mean she can create multiple galaxies

 

[Antvasima]

Multi-Galaxy level is roughly 644x higher than galaxy level, considering the distances involved.

 

[Andykhang]

The Peon Ball, remember (and also herself in Ulti Soul)? The size of it isn't decided by the number, but by the amount of power they collectively have (Otherwise you can't make a galatic object with just nearly over 1 million of them). And Ultimate Soul is base on her power to do that in the first place.

And yeah, but that mean that she could create space the size of the galaxy. And the fact that you could use monster that's hunted in the Mugen Field to become your Peon to power the ulti...

 

[Jesterofgames]

The Peon Ball, remember (and also herself in Ulti Soul)? The size of it isn't decided by the number, but by the amount of power they collectively have (Otherwise you can't make a galatic object with just nearly over 1 million of them). And Ultimate Soul is base on her power to do that in the first place.
And yeah, but that mean that she could create space the size of the galaxy. And the fact that you could use monster that's hunted in the Mugen Field to become your Peon to power the ulti...

First off Fair enough

Second, off what's your point

Just because monsters hunted in Mugen field could become the power to power a Galaxy sized object Doesn't mean Mugen field is multi-galaxy level

their's no evidence (and extremely sketchy evidence at best) pointing towards it being larger then Galaxy level (possibly+)

 

[Andykhang]

Ulti Soul is a Multi-Galaxy Object though (Multi as in 2-3 top)...Annnnd that what I got now.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Ulti Soul is a Multi-Galaxy Object though (Multi as in 2-3 top)...Annnnd that what I got now.

2-3 galaxies does not = multi galaxy

Though

"Multi-Galaxy level is roughly 644x higher than galaxy level, considering the distances involved."

Pretty sure this means that even if Ultmiate soul is 2-3 galaxies large It still would just be Galaxy level+

 

[Andykhang]

...yeah, true that. Guess that would be it. I'm playing Mugen Souls Z right now though, so there would be new info I will learn (like the fact that Mugen Field also act like a hyperbolic time chamber, so Chou Chou having time manipulation is actually right.)

Edit: Still believe it could be that high though. Moving on to my second point.

 

[Jesterofgames]

...yeah, true that. Guess that would be it. I'm playing Mugen Souls Z right now though, so there would be new info I will learn (like the fact that Mugen Field also act like a hyperbolic time chamber, so Chou Chou having time manipulation is actually right.)
Edit: Still believe it could be that high though. Moving on to my second point.

Wouldn't the time manipulation count only for her goddess form?

oh also

Believing something and proving something are 2 Very different things

you can believe Mugen field is multi-galaxy sized

But you also need to prove it to skeptics like me for it to be accepted in a vs debate in general

 

[Antvasima]

Since this does not appear to be going anywhere, perhaps I should close the thread?

 

[Andykhang]

Wouldn't the time manipulation count only for her goddess form?

oh also

Believing something and proving something are 2 Very different things

you can believe Mugen field is multi-galaxy sized

But you also need to prove it to skeptics like me for it to be accepted in a vs debate in general

Nah, Mugen Field's already there before the whole Chou Chou is god (LOL) thing. Though, like I said, she doesn't do it conciously. Maybe it would be in her goddess form, IDK?

And well, I have one more: In the Ulti Soul scene, you could see even distance galaxies represented as dot of light. But I guess it's just as sketchy like any other.

And we still hasn't talk about my 2nd point yet.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Anyways Yes that's just as sketchy as any other evidince you've been bringing up

And what is your second point?

 

[Jesterofgames]

Also Slightly off topic But Slightly on topic since this is Stat Adjustment for Chou Chou

But uh

Chou Chou can Preform a team attack which Has them go to the moon in 2 seconds

But uh Quick calculation here

the distance between the earth and moon is 238,900 miles or 384472282 meters

So 384472282 meters / 2 seconds would be 64% light speed So Chou chou's speed should be bumped up to at least reletivistic+

 

[Andykhang]

And MFTL if you consider Soul's special.

The goddess thing. It's still right that that form is stronger than her base

 

[Jesterofgames]

And MFTL if you consider Soul's special.
The goddess thing. It's still right that that form is stronger than her base

yes that's right but It's unknown HOW much stronger than ultimate soul or the peon ball it is though

and just saying "infinite power" does not describe how much stronger that could easily be a hyperbole

 

[Andykhang]

Yeah, hopefully the game I play reveal more of her lore. Unlikely though.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Yeah, hopefully the game I play reveal more of her lore. Unlikely though.

well i'm gonna play through the game Soon And Read all the flavor text And View all the moves i can WHY?

so i can buff Chou Chou and such

Side note I've heard there was a feat that would possibly make her FTL but i would need to see it first

 

[Jesterofgames]

Yeah, hopefully the game I play reveal more of her lore. Unlikely though.

BTW Chou Chou Can react to light based magic

And Fight monsters who can react to it

(Considering other speed feats And Other feats that magic has done like for example travling to the sun in a few seconds we have no reason to doubt it's actual light)