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Moving Across Universes Speed Feats

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I don't get the example but what I'm saying is this:

  • Moving from one universe to another via speed is immeasurable if consistent.
  • If not consistent then it's an outlier.
  • If canonically characters with limited speed (even if high into MFTL+) can move in the gap between universes then when that happens it's not an outlier at all, it's just that there is time in those gaps. For example, in a verse where there is a tavern beyond time and speed where humans can go to chill out.
 
But that last one is pure headcanon on your part and not proven. You're just making up an excuse for those people to keep their ratings.
 
All the cases fitting the last one i can think of all have portals or special routes you can take to those places and them being unreachable otherwise TBH.
 
Foxthefox1000 said:
But that last one is pure headcanon on your part and not proven. You're just making up an excuse for those people to keep their ratings.
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Both are headcanons when you think about it. Humans with limited speed need time to move because logic, if they can always be in a place that doesn't have time but they still have limited speed then they having immeasurable speed is a headcanon because we know that they have limited speed. The right to claim that all the feats must be outliers ignores creativity.
 
To clarify, Marvel and DC get safe from what I said as their cosmology varies from author to author and comic to comic (the tavern beyond time and speed example came from there).

So, when can we start making standards for this? Will that need its own thread? To repeat my proposal is this

It's not that the latter is something new for us or anything, we just don't have standards when we very much should. Like the Timeless Voids Standards but with no realms going on.
 
Still no mention of Timeline to Timeline movement? This could feasibly affect such cases but there's no mention of it here.

To reiterate, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE for any amount of 3D movement (So any finite speed and infinite speed) to entirely leave a Timeline and enter an entirely different one. The actual distance between two Timelines doesn't matter at all because the very fact that they can move beyond linear time means they're Immeasurable, given that's literally the definition of Immeasurable.
 
I already said the space-time to space-time thing sound immeasurable to me, timeline to timeline is basicaly the same IMO.
 
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Well like I suggested before, this should probably be highlighted.
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That would likely turn the discussion more chaotic, not less. It is likely better if you ask more staff members instead.
 
I think we already asked several staff members, and most of us agreed with DontTalk.
 
It's that traveling to other space-time continuums through sheer flight is unquantifiable, it's not Immeasurable. Immeasurable is for characters who can casually travel forward and backward in time as easily as anyone can simply move, look, or twitch left or right. You just need to be capable of traveling through the 5th dimension and/or 4th spatial dimension whichever statement works, to enter other universes through sheer flight. I gave an example of an Infinite speed one dimensional character being unable to cross the 2nd dimension, but a below average human speed 2-D character can.
 
Then why do we treat the gap between Low 2-C and 2-C as immeasurable instead of simply unquantifiable ?
 
"It's that traveling to other space-time continuums through sheer flight is unquantifiable, it's not Immeasurable."

That sounds incredibly incorrect and laughably restrictive to me. Moving to another Space-Time entirely requires you to move outside the bounds of 3D Movement- the literal definition of Immeasurable (Move beyond linear time).

It does not matter what the distance between Universes are because the very act of moving outside of a Space-Time via sheer speed requires movement beyond the 3D.

"Immeasurable is for characters who can casually travel forward and backward in time as easily as anyone can simply move, look, or twitch left or right."

Given the definition of Immeasurable, this definitely feels like a technical cop-out. The requirement is "Move beyond linear time", not "Basically only people doing time travel by moving".

"You just need to be capable of traveling through the 5th dimension and/or 4th spatial dimension whichever statement works, to enter other universes through sheer flight."

Which sounds like it's 100% Immeasurable since the formula S = D/T no longer applies as T is undefined/unapplicable (In the case of the 5th dimensional people); exactly the definition of Immeasurable.

"I gave an example of an Infinite speed one dimensional character being unable to cross the 2nd dimension, but a below average human speed 2-D character can."

This is relevant.... why? That's like saying beings that are native to the 5th dimension naturally has immeasurable speed. Yeah they do.
 
@Dragonmer, It's listed as unquantifable to assume 2-C is how many X times stronger than Low 2-C.

@Akreious, we have had numerous discussions about how traveling through time not being enough for Immeasurable. The Dollorean can travel through time at 82 miles per hour. And it's common for characters to time travel via running laps around the Earth faster than the Earth rotates. But that's not Immeasurable, that's just simply FTL. There needs to be proof that their traversing linear time is casual that they can travel anywhere in it faster than instantly to be Immeasurable. Or being able to have a negative number as a reaction time. Traveling to other universes isn't another thing that assumes Immeasurable as it's a common feat even for those with finite speeds.
 
After reading the staff comments here I also strongly agree with DontTalkDT.

Should we write a standard for this somewhere?
 
I believe Note 5 in the Speed page might need a rewriting. The 2nd short paragraph I think could have "Faster than instantly" after the everywhere and everywhen to be more specific. The 2nd paragraph would look a little something like this.

The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere instantly, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen faster than instantly.

As for the first paragraph is what needs a rewriting.

Being able to casually roam around freely across linear time qualifies for Immeasurable speed. However, traveling to different time periods through movement is a common feat in fiction that often leads to inconsistencies and has been done via FTL travel or running laps around the earth faster than it rotates. This should preferably be evaluated case by case.

Not sure if this will be added to the same note, or a note 6. And could and I'm open for better wording.

Furthermore, speed isn't defined by any number of spatial dimensions, but simply distance over time. Meaning it is possible for one dimensional characters to be faster than those who cover many dimensions. And the distance between two timelines is defined as the 5th dimension (Or a 4th spatial dimension) that separates two or more universes. And said distance is often unknown as it could be anywhere between much smaller than the Universal radius and infinite. But such details are only known to those who can travel through additional spatial dimensions. For that reason, crossing Universes is unquantifiable for speed unless details are specifically stated.

Basically my summary on them.
 
I think that mostly seems good to apply, but you omitted the following important part of the sentence: "they may be assigned an additional, independent, speed rating for the ability"

This is what we have done for Superman (Pre-Crisis) and Flash (Wally West) (Post-Crisis) for example, so this part of the rule should stay, even if it is reworded in some way.
 
Maybe something like this instead?

Being able to casually roam around freely across linear time qualifies for immeasurable speed. However, travelling to different time periods through movement is a common feat in fiction that often leads to inconsistencies and has been done via FTL travel or running laps around the earth faster than it rotates. This can lead to characters being assigned an additional, independent, speed rating for the ability. This should preferably be evaluated case by case.
 
Oh yeah, forgot about that. But, I personally feel like those might just be examples of characters who have Time Travel as opposed to actual speed. But I think that could be saved for another thread. I think that paragraph is good.
 
Yes, I think that can be applied. Though as for my 2nd paragraph, I wasn't given thoughts on whether it would be Note 6 or included alongside Note 5. I also fixed a few typos and wording on my end.
 
I think that adding it in the same note is probably fine.

I will add the new text now.
 
Thanks. What else is left to do here?
 
I think the thread is concluded. Perhaps a few calculations for some verses might need to be revised or scrapped. But other than that, I think this thread can be closed.
 
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