Mountain level and Island level

[Antvasima]

It is a recurrent problem within profiles in this wiki that characters are mistakenly rated as "Mountain level" for shattering a small mountain, or as "Island level" for shattering a small island.

Given this, I think that it would be helpful to calculate roughly how large a shattered mountain must be to be considered 7-A, and how large a shattered Island must be to be considered 6-C.

Easily understood real world size comparison would also be helpful (For example: "The size of Mount Everest" and "The size of New Zeeland").

After this is done, we could insert brief clarifications into the Tiering System, Attack Potency, and Durability pages.

 

[DontTalk]

It always depends a bit on how it is destroyed.

For a non-nuclear explosion to be island level it needs to cover an area of 9297 km^2, which is approximately the size of Cyprus.


In order to be Island level through fragmentation (8 J/cc) you would need to fragmentate 5.23e10 m^3.

Not sure what I should compare that to.


Note that smaller things can easily reach higher values, if done through other methods/degrees of destruction.

(Also for things of official use, I would ask someone to calculate that a second time, in case I made some mistake)

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps violent fragmentation would be appropriate for an estimation? Just so people stop listing any characters that can physically shatter mountains as 7-A.

 

[DontTalk]

With violent fragmentation mountain level is 6.063768e+9 m^3.

Again spontanously not sure which real life structure this equates to.


For the most part I would even with those values discourage ranking such feats without calculation though (since you would need to measure the mountains and islands for comparison either way).

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I think it's a good enough idea to do this. Cause i've plenty of people including me who have been trying to explain on how things like shattering a small island or mountain even doesn't equate to destroying one of a significant size.

At the same time, DT has a point in that we need some calculation and it would really depend on how it's destroyed so...

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, of course calculations are preferable, but I just want to somehow impart the actual required scale of such feats on casual visitors, so we get far less extreme hyperbole in the future.

 

[Antvasima]

It has been an ongoing problem to constantly attempt to clean up such profiles.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

It's been about the same on my wikia at FC/OC too, actually. Having to keep informing people there on what those here have kept saying about Mountain/Island destroying feats like what was pointed out above here.

 

[Gwynbleiddd]

The thing is we can't go around making calcs for every possible feat because some people can't understand something that easy.

EDIT: That sounds mean but it's just the reality.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hmmm.....good point there, i guess....

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I think this could be a good idea as well. While I don't have a long spiel to say, I can agree that there are a lot of people who say that their favorite mountain feat is mountain when in fact it's somewhere in the city range.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it is specifically Mountain level and Island level that are ongoing massive problems, as most visitors seem to misunderstand the tiers.

That is why I wish to insert brief comments about a rough size estimation of the necessary size for a shattered mountain or island to qualify.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Staff only thread, people....and that was kind of off-topic-ish too in a sense...

 

[Professor_Voodoo]

I have been pushing for something like this. Various comparison sizes for the different tiers.

 

[LordXcano]

Why not just make a rule mountain/island level feats need a "possibly" next to them until they can be measured?

 

[ThePerpetual]

I was actually planning on making a mountain destruction General Use sort of thing, just taking a look at different general sizes that show up a lot.

Edit: Also, not a bad idea, XCano. Probably wouldn't hurt, if one were lacking any better method of resolving it.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Seeing that the mountain and island is being fragmented/shattered, let's find the volume for these guys.

For a minimum size of a mountain to have Mountain level yield at minimum via:

Fragmentation:

• (4.184e17 Joules) / (8 Joules/cc) = 5.230e16 cm^3, or 5.230e10 m^3.
• Assuming that a mountain is considered a cone, the volume for that is (Pi)*(Radius^2)*(Height/3)
• If the mountain's height and radius are equal, the minimum values for both radius and height should be about 3682.55m.
• Plug the above number for both radius and height for the cone volume and you get the volume required for Mountain level via fragmenting it.

Violent Fragmentation:

• (4.184e17 Joules) / (69 Joules/cc) = 6.064e15 cm^3, or 6.064e9 m^3.
• Assuming that a mountain is considered a cone, the volume for that is (Pi)*(Radius^2)*(Height/3)
• If the mountain's height and radius are equal, the minimum values for both radius and height should be about 1795.72m.
• Plug the above number for both radius and height for the cone volume and you get the volume required for Mountain level via violent fragmentation.

For a minimum size of an island to have Island level yield at minimum via:

Fragmentation:

• (1.8e19 Joules) / (8 Joules/cc) = 2.250e18 cm^3, or 2.25e12 m^3.
• Mean/Average height of land elevation above sea level is 840m (Google)
• Volume of rectangle = Length*Width*Height, where Height = 840m
• Isolate for both Length and Width, assuming that both are equal, and you get a value of 51755m for length and width of said island respectively.

The dimensions of said island would have to be 51755m x 51755m x 840m to yield Island level value fragmenting it.

Violent Fragmentaton:

• (1.8e19 Joules) / (69 Joules/cc) = 2.61e16 cm^3, or 2.61e10 m^3.
• Mean/Average height of land elevation above sea level is 840m
• Volume of rectangle = Length*Width*Height, where Height = 840m
• Isolate for both Length and Width, assuming that both are equal, and you get a value of 5574m for length and width of said island respectively.

The dimensions of said island would have to be 5574m x 5574m x 840m to yield Island level value via violent fragmentation.

If we are talking about explosions, the minimum surface area that an explosion needs to cover to make Mountain/Island level should be about (We will use near-total fatalities for this)

Mountain level:

• Radius Near Total Fatalities = 15.7km
• Surface Area = (Pi)*(radius^2).
• Surface Area = 7.74e8 m^3. Explosion needs to cover this much area.

Island level:

• Radius Near Total Fatalities = 54.4km
• Surface Area = (Pi)*(radius^2).
• Surface Area = 9.30e9 m^3. Explosion needs to cover this much area.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[Antvasima]

@Lina Shields I would appreciate if you could create a blog post for the above calculations. It would be simpler if we could link to that in the statistics pages.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Yes, I will make a blog post for this. It would be appreciated if the staff members could look at it however, especially DT.

Edit: Done.

Now, do I need to make a calc for a Large Mountain level as well?

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks. I will insert links to it where it seems to be appropriate.

Yes. That would be appreciated.

 

[Antvasima]

I have now inserted links into the Tiering System, Attack Potency, and Durability pages.

I hope that this will help to avoid future misunderstandings.

 

[Lina_Shields]

I have added a calc for the minimum values required for Large Mountain in the blog.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks again.

 

[Antvasima]

@Lina Shields ThePerpetual has made some calculations of his own regarding this subject. I would appreciate if you could incorporate the information into your own blog post:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ThePerpetual/Mountain_Calcs_for_General_Use

 

[Lina_Shields]

The Mountain & Island article has been completed

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you very much for all the help.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Same as Ant said, Lina. This will especially be good for FC/OC for my users there in case they ever do any kind of Mountain/Island feats and depending what they do.

Again as Ant said, thanks a lot for the help here.