Mob's tier to Varies.

[Chrystales]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shigeo_Kageyama

The recent chapters in the manga got me to think this.

Okay, so for those who don't know, Mob's forms don't grant him new and better powers. It is in fact the opposite. He was already 6-C(?) from his birth or at least from a very young age. When he realized how dangerous he was, he subconciously seals his powers.

Mob's percentage isn't how close he is to his more powerful form. It's how far he is from controlling his emotions, and therefore, powers. ???% isn't supposed to mean infinite powers or anything. It's means that he is unconcious and has zero control of his powers.

Right, I want to make sure everyone's on the same page.

So Dimple right now keeps talking about how he is a god. In MP100, the more people believe in an entity, the more powerful it is. He was a whole city worth of people worshipping him AND the power of the tree which was the result of Mob's 100% powers. I find it hard to believe that he is room level right now.

Yet he still was unable to defeat Mob in his base form. Here's other instances:

Tsuchiya (Martial Arts Lady), in chapter 42, was able to land a good hit on Mob. Remember that Tsuchiya has a scar which means that the Claw boss, Touichirou, didn't consider her powerful enough.

Katsuya (Umbrella Guy), in chapter 89.1, was also able to land a good hit on Mob, (again, in his base from). Putting him on par with Tsuchiya would be wrong, because he doesn't have a scar, and that means, according to Touichirou, he is powerful enough to be part of the Super 5.

I think it's safe to assume that the Super 5 members are somewhat equal with one another, since nothing was mentioned or implied that one of them is stronger than another. Shimazaki (Blind Guy), took on a whole bunch of the lower tier espers, including Tsuchiya in 87.1. Katsuya should be able to do that too if we take out moral concerns.

My final, simpler example is with Koyama (Gangster Guy). In his first battle with Mob, he easily threw him around. In their second battle however, it's Mob who does that. People say it's because of plot convenience, Mob was serious/focused from the start, Koyama wasn't in range, etc.

However, I do believe that the factor that determines the magnitude of Mob's powers in a fight is his wllingness to fight and harm his oppenent.

And this would make sense. With Tsuchiya, his shield isn't powerful because he didn't want to hurt a girl or whatever. When Tsuchiya said that it's fine, then bam. With Katsuya, he was determinded to knock sense into him. With Koyama, at first, he didn't want to specifically hurt him. In the next fight, he did.

The most telling is with Dimple, He was practically in his 100% mode when he thought he was the only one who could save the city. After the critical moment, he trusted Dimple. He lost his powers as well as the willingness to fight in that one moment.

This can be painted as your average 'character is holding back'. However, mob cannot mentally access more power if he has little reason to do so. And this might be a factor for a VS battle against him or for scaling other characters.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

This is actually a really good explanation, because as you said 100% doesn't give mob a power up, he is just releasing more of his power which he sealed subconsciouly. If we were to rate mob by his emotions like anger or estasy in 100% it would a really a pain, as in that fight with the claw boss he went from like room level to building level to mcb level after several different emotions, so it's not the 100% mode that determines how powerful he is, but his emotions and how willing he is to use his power.

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

Disagree here. Mob already has this as a weakness in his profile:

"Doesn't like to use his powers to harm others"

That's moot.

His profile description already states everything you said:

" Due to a childhood incident he subconsciously sealed away most of his power behind several emotional locks, that will occasionally burst out when a particular emotion reaches 100% and overflows. This, however is only a fraction of his true power, which can only come out when he is completely unconscious and acting on survival instinct alone."

That's also moot.

We keep his Tiers like that because he has to willingly unlock those barriers he put on himself and it takes a good amount of effort to do so.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

His weakness is already mention but i think it's worth mentioning that even at 100% mob varies in power, in his fight with the claw boss he went from building level when being at a 100% with one emotion and then multi-city block level with another, while still being in the same mode, the only thing that changed was his emotion. Being at 100% doesn't mean mob instantly becomes mcb level.

 

[MarvelFanatic119]

I think we should just keep him at 8-A as it is his highest rating and scaling to the other emotions would be a hassle.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree he had like 7or 8 different emotions and we would have a bunch of building level and mcb ratings, that's too much of a pain. However i think a note or something should be made to explain that even in 100% mob varies depending on his emotions but it would be an extreme hassel to scale all his emotions so we use only his highest displayed feat in the mode.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

I actually heavily agree with Chry there but Marvel does bring up those points. However, I think this just means that Mob is a lot stronger even at base form honestly. After all I want to add on, he took a beating from Koyama. Without his barriers. And Koyama is casually wall level. On the other hand Koyama himself took an actual beating from Mob, being crushed down, being wall punched, being knocked down to the ground with enough force to shatter distant windows. Off topic but yeah, basically Mob is a lot stronger than we think even at Base form.

And yeah better to avoid scalign each single emotion to a separate DC unless it's something particularly standoffish.