Minor Chespirito Revisions

[Apex_Predator_GX]

This will be simple.

Tier 8-C Scaling

Profesor Jirafales is clearly way stronger than Doctor Chapatin by shaking him like a rag doll, whereas Chapatin didn't dare to provoke Profesor Jirafales in any way. Doctor Chapatin is so brave that he wasn't afraid of superheroes, as with one of his blows he was able to leave Chapulin in a semi-stunned state; the superhero also needed to dodge one of his attacks to avoid being harmed, another one of his blows produced an expression of pain in Chapulin's face, and another one knocked him to the ground. Even so, he preferred not to mess with Profesor Jirafales.

Important Note: Also, Doctor Chapatin's paper bag ins't a "weapon". That kind of equipment isn't combat related NOT like guns, swords, grenades, etc. It is just a paper bag...How can a paper bag be able to harm an 8-C character like Chapulin? The answer is that it can't; it is just Doctor Chapatin's force behind his blows, which could harm Chapulin, not the paper bag.

Therefore Profesor Jirafales and anyone who scales from him should be upgraded to Tier 8-C (El Chavo cast basically). Both feats are consistent with Don Ramon surviving this explosion, and Profesor Jirafales, can consistently damage Don Ramon.

Below you will find even more proofs (as videos) that the rest of the El Chavo cast can harm Profesor Jirafales, and they can also withstand blows from him, and those characters can harm other characters... I think that's pretty concrete scaling between the whole cast...

Scaling Feats:

Spoiler: El Chavo Cast vs Profesor Jirafales

Doña Florinda:



Don Ramon:



Chilindrina:



Etc.

Spoiler: Quico

Characters like Quico can take full-power blows from Profesor Jirafales.



And other characters like Chavo can consistently harm Quico.



And Chavo can be harmed by other characters as well, and so on.

Don ramón golpea al chavo

Don ramón golpea al chavo

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Don Ramon can also harm Quico.

Don Ramón vs el Profesor Jirafales

Don Ramón se enfrenta al profesor Jirafales después de haber ofendido a Doña Florinda.

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Doña Clotilde can harm Don Ramon.

Jaimito can harm Chavo.

Ñoño can't be harmed by Chavo, but he can harm him.

Etc.

Class 25 LS Señor Barriga

Señor Barriga can easily harm Don Ramon with his blows and subsequently crush him (Don Ramon didn't recover from this attack until the next episode, which could also be considered Low-Mid Regen overtime), which would warrant him at least Class 25 LS. It could possibly be applied to other characters portrayed by the same actor, like Ñoño or Botija, who scale from Señor Barriga in weight.

Important Note: Don Ramon is just a human made of flesh and bone. He isn't "elastic" all the time; if he were, no physical attack could harm him. But no, he's just a human that can be normally harmed by other characters, as seen here:

• Doña Clotilde can harm Don Ramon.

Also, Verses like Looney Tunes or Turma da Monica work that way all the time and we still use their Toon Force feats for scaling and those verses have Tier 2 to Tier 1 stuff...

Spoiler: Other Verses Using Toon Force as Scaling Feats

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Btw, Don Ramon can knock out Don Barriga with accidental blows and without even trying....

Thoughts?

 

[That_moron2]

Looks good

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Dereck03]

Doña Florinda can effortlessly and without trying take out Chapulin of her house.

This is not usable; Chapulin isn't even resisting. I know the series is comical, but there's no scaling feat here.

Profesor Jirafales is clearly way stronger than Doctor Chapatin, who can damage Chapulin to the point of forcing the latter to even need to dodge his attacks.

At no point did Chapulin appear to be harmed by Doctor Chapatin's attacks. Comparing Chapulin to Chapatin here is a wank, to be honest. Chapulin wasn't even affected by Chapatin's blows at all. To even compare them, it would have to be like when Super Sam appeared at the end and knocked Chapatin out with a single hit.

Therefore both Doña Florinda and Profesor Jirafales and anyone who scales from them should be upgraded to Tier 8-C. Both feats are consistent with Don Ramon surviving this explosion.

Monchito's feat of surviving the explosion is notable ig, but I doubt that Florinda or Jirafales's ap is even that high, I don't see this scaling chain at all even taking into account that both were able to harm Don Ramon multiple times.

Señor Barriga can easily crush a human, which would warrant him and anyone who scales from him At least Class 25 LS.

The feat of Señor Barriga can only be attributed to him and cannot be used in scaling for anyone else, since he accomplished that feat due to his body weight. No one else in the series, unless they are other characters performed by him, can do that.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

At no point did Chapulin appear to be harmed by Doctor Chapatin's attacks. Comparing Chapulin to Chapatin here is a wank, to be honest. Chapulin wasn't even affected by Chapatin's blows at all. To even compare them, it would have to be like when Super Sam appeared at the end and knocked Chapatin out with a single hit.

How is it? It is pretty clear that one of his blows leaves Chapulin semi-stunned, who needed to dodge one of his attacks to avoid being harmed; another one of his blows produced an expression of pain in Chapulin. and another one knocks him to the ground. A "10-C" isn't moving an 8-C one with physical blows; in fact, Chapulin would not even need to dodge them at all. Since hitting Chapulin would be like hitting a wall, which would not do anything to him, Chapulin has a pained face due to Chapatin's attacks. It is very clear to me that Doctor Chapatin scales from Chapulin...

Monchito's feat of surviving the explosion is notable ig, but I doubt that Florinda or Jirafales's ap is even that high, I don't see this scaling chain at all even taking into account that both were able to harm Don Ramon multiple times.

Well, that situation happened in three episodes, so it is consistent. Tbh, this series even has planet-buster weapons, so looking for "real-world logic" in it is worthless. The characters in Chespirito are not regular humans such as Doña Florinda and Profesor Jirafales, who can consistently damage Don Ramon.

The feat of Señor Barriga can only be attributed to him and cannot be used in scaling for anyone else, since he accomplished that feat due to his body weight. No one else in the series, unless they are other characters performed by him, can do that.

I was referring to characters that scale from him in weight, like Ñoño or Botija, and possibly even Chapulin due to being stronger than regular civilians.

 

[Divini]

Agree with Dereck on Florinda, neutral/not sure about Barriga

But i agree with the rest

 

[Gasper]

Looks good

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Looks simple enough from what I gather
I agree

 

[Sayuki_Mikaru]

Looks good to me.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I do not really know what's going on, but I pretty much see characters beating each other up. Not sure why this isn't scaling material.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I do not really know what's going on, but I pretty much see characters beating each other up. Not sure why this isn't scaling material.

I mean, Doctor Chapatin knocks Chapulin down in one of the clips. I think that's pretty concrete scaling...

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I mean, Doctor Chapatin knocks Chapulin down in one of the clips. I think that's pretty concrete scaling...

Agreed

 

[Bernkastelll]

This will be simple.

Doña Florinda can effortlessly and without trying take out Chapulin of her house.

Profesor Jirafales is clearly way stronger than Doctor Chapatin, one of his blows leaves Chapulin semi-stunned, who needed to dodge one of his attacks to avoid being harmed; another one of his blows produced an expression of pain in Chapulin. and another one knocks him to the ground.

Therefore both Doña Florinda and Profesor Jirafales and anyone who scales from them should be upgraded to Tier 8-C. Both feats are consistent with Don Ramon surviving this explosion.

Señor Barriga can easily crush a human, which would warrant him and anyone who scales from him in weight, like Ñoño or Botija, to at least Class 25 LS.

Thoughts?

I mean, yeah, the feats are real and that's undeniable, however, this leads to a circular reasoning where Chapulin is stronger than the civilians but the civilians are upscaling from Chapulin, like... I don't even know what to say.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I mean, yeah, the feats are real and that's undeniable, however, this leads to a circular reasoning where Chapulin is stronger than the civilians but the civilians are upscaling from Chapulin, like... I don't even know what to say.

Well, that isn't rare for the Chapulin series standards, IIRC…

 

[ZeddKD]

I agree with everything with the exception of Florinda's first feat, since that feat would be like someone pulling your hair without you fighting back, so I don't see it being significant

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I agree with everything with the exception of Florinda's first feat, since that feat would be like someone pulling your hair without you fighting back, so I don't see it being significant

No one seems to agree with that feat, so I'm going to remove it from the OP so as not to hinder the development of the thread with people paying attention to it.

 

[ZeedKZ]

Looks good for me.

 

[Maikolpry]

This will be simple.

Profesor Jirafales is clearly way stronger than Doctor Chapatin, one of his blows leaves Chapulin semi-stunned, who needed to dodge one of his attacks to avoid being harmed; another one of his blows produced an expression of pain in Chapulin. and another one knocks him to the ground.

Therefore Profesor Jirafales and anyone who scales from him should be upgraded to Tier 8-C (El Chavo cast basically). Both feats are consistent with Don Ramon surviving this explosion. Profesor Jirafales, can consistently damage Don Ramon.

Señor Barriga can easily crush a human, which would warrant him and anyone who scales from him in weight, like Ñoño or Botija, to at least Class 25 LS.

Thoughts?

1. Neutral with the Señor Barriga feat. I think it's fine for adults with a similar weight, but for children with a similar weight, it should be at least one class lower in LS!
2. I Agree whit the rest!

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

1. Neutral with florinda feat
2. Agree with Jirafales feat
3. Neutral with the idea of Scaling El chavo cast to 8-C via Jirafales. "I" never saw anyone in the series damaging Jirafales (at least not much). I think there should be clear feats when scaling someone via Jirafales.
4. Neutral when it comes to scaling Florinda for harming Don Ramon. "I" have never seen Florinda really harming Don Ramon (although I think she does in some episodes), not even leaving him semi-knocked out. In fact, Don Ramon himself says he doesn't fight her back only because Florinda is a woman. So I think that to scale her, a clear feat should be put in place where Don Ramon is seriously damaged, at least one that leaves him semi-knockout.
5. Neutral with the Señor Barriga feat. I think it's fine for adults with a similar weight, but for children with a similar weight, it should be at least one class lower in LS!

The rest of El Chavo cast can harm Profesor Jirafales...

Spoiler: El Chavo Cast vs Profesor Jirafales

Doña Florinda:



Don Ramon:



Chilindrina:



Etc.

The LS feat can be applied in these cases, that's why it is in the References For Common Feats page...

 

[Maikolpry]

El Chavo cast can harm Profesor Jirafales, tho...

Doña Florinda:



Don Ramon:



Chilindrina:



Etc.

The LS feat can be applied in these cases, that's why it is in the References For Common Feats page...

Thanks, I totally agree with this then!

 

[Oiguana2701]

This seems fine to me.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

The scaling makes sense to me

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Dalesean027 was asked to ping you.

 

[FinePoint]

I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, but these do seem like scaleable feats.

I believe Dereck may be being a little too picky, though that is their right.

 

[Dereck03]

I believe Dereck may be being a little too picky

If I were being picky then I would scale Don Ramon's durability far higher for resisting the nuclear bomb he withstand in an episode.

Simply the feats presented here in my opinion are not enough to even scale them, there are more that could work but well.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, but these do seem like scaleable feats.

I believe Dereck may be being a little too picky, though that is their right.

Thank you so much for participating here, bro!

Could I be able to apply the updates later today?

 

[FinePoint]

Simply the feats presented here in my opinion are not enough to even scale them, there are more that could work but well.

Well, I tend to be more lenient when the media itself isn't likely to show severe consequences like a more comical cartoon.

If you know of even better feats then of course it would be great if you shared them.

 

[FinePoint]

Thank you so much for participating here, bro!

Could I be able to apply the updates later today?

Probably not, since the vote is currently split.

We'll either need to convince Dereck or get more input.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Probably not, since the vote is currently split.

We'll either need to convince Dereck or get more input.

But DDM, Aguywhodoesthings and you agree with the upgrades.

The vote count is basically 3-1

Agreed

The scaling makes sense to me

 

[Dereck03]

Well, I tend to be more lenient when the media itself isn't likely to show severe consequences like a more comical cartoon.

If being lenient is the thing here then the most I can agree here is Jirafales scaling above chapatin and Señor barriga's feat, I still disagreeing with the feat they are using for Doña Florinda.

 

[Dereck03]

But DDM, Aguywhodoesthings and you agree with the upgrades.

The vote count is basically 3-1

No, 2 vs 1 as one of them is calc team member whose votes sadly doesn't count in CRTs.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

If being lenient is the thing here then the most I can agree here is Jirafales scaling above chapatin and Señor barriga's feat, I still disagreeing with the feat they are using for Doña Florinda.

Well, I removed that feat yesterday, and Doña Florinda can harm Profesor Jirafales anyway…

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

No, 2 vs 1 as one of them is calc team member whose votes sadly doesn't count in CRTs.

2 vs 1 still seems fair and enough to be applied to me.

 

[FinePoint]

2 vs 1 still seems fair and enough to be applied to me.

We don't have a hard rule for it, but most staff agree that 3-1 or higher is usually the goal.

 

[Dereck03]

2 vs 1 still seems fair and enough to be applied to me.

I don't even know how you can think that when 2 vs 1 is the closest thing to "seek for more staff input", there was recently a discussion about that, but cases of 2 vs 1, 3 vs 2 and so on the standard procedure is to look for more staff as it is not enough.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

We don't have a hard rule for it, but most staff agree that 3-1 or higher is usually the goal.

I will ask for more input then.

I don't even know how you can think that when 2 vs 1 is the closest thing to "seek for more staff input", there was recently a discussion about that, but cases of 2 vs 1, 3 vs 2 and so on the standard procedure is to look for more staff as it is not enough.

FinePoint asked me to seek more staff input after I wrote that reply, though. I never said that I wouldn't make it.

Also, I don't see a real problem with the scaling:

• Doctor Chapatin can harm Chapulin.
• Professor Jirafales can harm Doctor Chapatin.
• The rest of the cast can harm Profesor Jirafales.

It seems concrete to me. Also plenty of other users in this thread also agree with it too...

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I mean, this isn't much different (Actually much tamer) from cartoon verse scaling in general, so I am still in support of the upgrades.

 

[Dalesean027]

@Dalesean027 was asked to ping you.

Im not familiar with the verse but what's left?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Im not familiar with the verse but what's left?

Thank you so much for participating here, bro!

Could you please take a look at my proposals in OP?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Profesor Jirafales is clearly way stronger than Doctor Chapatin.

This would just be Lifting Strength right?

who with one of his blows was able to leave Chapulin in a semi-stunned state, the superhero also needed to dodge one of his attacks to avoid being harmed; another one of his blows produced an expression of pain in Chapulin's face. and another one knocks him to the ground.

He's using a weapon for most of these, so only the kick would really be scalable, and even then, it's a kick to the ass.

Señor Barriga can easily harm Don Ramon with his blows and subsequently crush him (a human), which would warrant him and anyone who scales from him in weight, like Ñoño or Botija, to at least Class 25 LS.

This seems more like Toon Force.

As for the scaling, I can't really comment since most of the links are blocked on my browser.