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Minor Boruto Addition | Space Flight

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This was already addressed, i’m not going to fill this very simple thread with back and forths
 
Spaceflight is a minimum baseline requirement for all Ōtsutsuki. Their entire purpose revolves around travelling across outer space, invading planets, planting a God Tree, and harvesting Chakra Fruits. Interplanetary travel is not optional for them it is fundamental to their species’ function.

As far back as Naruto Shippuden, we literally see Kaguya descending from space, with people mistaking her for a star.

If spaceflight is the bare minimum requirement to move from planet to planet, then it makes no logical sense for higher-ranking members to somehow possess inferior travel speed compared to Urashiki.

It is shown and stated multiple times explicitly:

  • Ōtsutsuki travelling the universe

  • Multiple Ōtsutsuki conversing in outer space before flying together toward Earth

  • Urashiki arrived on the Moon simply by flying straight down, without activating any special techniques.



Additionally, it is stated that Ōtsutsuki possess high flight speed in general, which makes sense as they need it for space travel.




Even Code who is not originally an Ōtsutsuki but is expected to become one by consuming a Chakra Fruit is implied to gain the ability to traverse planets across outer space:That expectation alone reinforces that interplanetary space travel is standard Ōtsutsuki capability.



Furthermore, higher-ranking members such as Isshiki and Momoshiki have consumed more Chakra Fruits than Urashiki. This implies they have travelled to and conquered more planets. Logically, correlates with at least equal if not superior flight speed to Urashiki. This is honestly not a contentious topic and I truly don't under why we are making it out to be.
 
Oh no, it'd really just be Boruto and Kawaki (if he gets it) who should get possibly ratings. The simple reason is that neither are properly incarnated Otsutuki, and neither have actually ever done space travel as all the others should've.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Oh no, it'd really just be Boruto and Kawaki (if he gets it) who should get possibly ratings. The simple reason is that neither are properly incarnated Otsutuki, and neither have actually ever done space travel as all the others should've.
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So there is no reason they shouldn't be treated like pure Otsutsuki when it literally says they are..
Also, I posted a scan of Code being expected to space travel when he becomes an otutsuki.. Also, Boruto and Kawaki are not just any type of Otsutsuki, their genetic makeup is directly from the higher members of the clan, Momoshiki and Isshiki.


NGL there is no specific type of flying for spaceflight, it all just falls under their true Flight ability. Flying on a planet and flying in space..

Also this speed is not just in Isolation, firstly you learn to fly, but your flight speed can be amped by your chakra, meaning stronger Otsutsuki with more chakra ought to be able to fly faster than others.. We literally see Boruto blitz Kawaki and Delta flight speed..




The only argument we can make is that they are generally faster when they enter space, but we can't say certain Otsutsuki all of a sudden gain some sort of special ability that makes them faster in space than other otutsukis yet when they are within a planet their speed is matched by other Otsutsuki and if those otutsukis go to space they would be slower..
 
Duedate8898 said:
Oh no, it'd really just be Boruto and Kawaki (if he gets it) who should get possibly ratings. The simple reason is that neither are properly incarnated Otsutuki, and neither have actually ever done space travel as all the others should've.
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This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Karma and what it means to be an Ōtsutsuki. Boruto is genetically 100% Ōtsutsuki, he's not a vessel anymore after Momoshiki's rewrite, this was one of the main plot points for the end of The Prophecy Arc. He explains to Amado that Momoshiki used the last 18% to rebuild the destroyed tissue. As I said above, Momoshiki says that while he can't resurrect, Ōtsutsuki data is still Ōtsutsuki data, and there's absolutely no change in the fact that all of Boruto's data was rewritten to be that of an Ōtsutsuki.

As for your second point of them never actually doing space travel, that is not the justification that's applied to the other Ōtsutsuki. Please read the argument where I showed all the justification for why the other Ōtsutsuki have the full ratings. It's simply because they are fully Ōtsutsuki, something Boruto is and superior/equal, that's all. And as I said, if we're being consistent with that line of scaling, Boruto should 100% have the full ratings.
 
I know what Boruto is, I keep up with the manga.

My point is that this is a pretty big feat to give to the likes of Boruto without him actually doing anything comparable to it. We know the other Otsutsuki have traversed the planets as that's their entire MO. However, Boruto has not. What more, while he might have the genetic make-up of one, he does not possesses a lot of the natural abilities we see the Otsutsuki have in large part because Momoshiki never properly incarnated into him.

I don't think him being an Otsutsuki is enough evidence to fully bestow the flying speed onto him because he's never had to attempt such a feat and because he is an anomaly in Otsutsuki due to Momoshiki's failed incarnation, there should just be more evidence before we're fully scaling him to something like this.

I say possibly for him and Kawaki and Code (since I forgot this would probably include him as well), I still not been convinced otherwise for their speed. Everyone else of the aliens, I think are fine to get this stat.
 
Duedate8898 said:
My point is that this is a pretty big feat to give to the likes of Boruto without him actually doing anything comparable to it. We know the other Otsutsuki have traversed the planets as that's their entire MO. However, Boruto has not.
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We know every other Ōtsutsuki traversed planet to planet, yet we don't know at what speed. The bases for them all having the MFTL is being comparable to Urashiki while also being a full blooded Ōtsutsuki. Boruto meets these criteria. He's full blooded Ōtsutsuki, who is also superior to Urashiki.
Duedate8898 said:
What more, while he might have the genetic make-up of one, he does not possesses a lot of the natural abilities we see the Otsutsuki have in large part because Momoshiki never properly incarnated into him.
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What does this mean? I mean you say that he doesn't posses a lot of the natural abilities of Ōtsutsuki, which ones? Boruto like every other Ōtsutsuki can fly. Boruto like every other Ōtsutsuki can absorb chakra. Boruto like every other Ōtsutsuki has the Byakugan. Boruto like every other Ōtsutsuki is resistant to the Omnipotence. Boruto like every other Ōtsutsuki can place Karma's on people. Boruto like every other Ōtsutsuki can erase their chakra signature. Boruto has every baseline Ōtsutsuki ability we've seen, and whether or not Momoshiki incarnated into him doesn't matter, Momoshiki himself says that all 100% of his data has finished extracting, making Boruto a genuine Ōtsutsuki.
Duedate8898 said:
I don't think him being an Otsutsuki is enough evidence to fully bestow the flying speed onto him because he's never had to attempt such a feat and because he is an anomaly in Otsutsuki due to Momoshiki's failed incarnation, there should just be more evidence before we're fully scaling him to something like this.
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Being an Ōtsutsuki + superior/comparable to Urashiki is what's accepted for you to receive the full ratings. Every Ōtsutsuki on the wiki has the exact same justification of being a full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, who should be comparable to Urashiki. That's all you need. Boruto meets these criteria.
 
Also if the contention is based on abilities, you'd need to state what you think are the basic otsutsuki abilities. Because afaik, every otsutsuki has different abilities.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Also if the contention is based on abilities, you'd need to state what you think are the basic otsutsuki abilities. Because afaik, every otsutsuki has different abilities.
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FLying is actually not a special ability among otsutsuki heck to them it's nothing special Amado also called it a basic otsutsuki ability and based on feats boruto should be faster than urashiki
 
ichimojii said:
Because we don't see other Ots do that.
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We also haven't seen Naruto bang Hinata so I guess we should add "possibly" on Borutos Uzumaki heritage 🗣️🔥
ichimojii said:
Just because one person can travel at those speeds doesn't mean all can
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If the slowest Otsutsuki can use a universal Otsutsuki ability to a certain level, all faster Otsutsukis should be able to use it at least as well if not better.

Narratively speaking Isshiki tells Code to become an Otsutsuki and travel across space to eat planets until he achieves godhood. Meaning Isshiki himself assumed becoming an Otsutsuki would be enough to grant Code interstellar travel capabilities.
 
While I personally would like to see more in TBV before adding this (personal skepticism)

I won't deny that based on what we currently know, the logic for Boruto and Kawaki to have it (especially Boruto, who is stated to be 100% Otsutsuki genetically rn) makes more sense than the counterarguments (The idea that certain Otsutsuki, more specifically a lesser one than the ones we are talking about, have some separate type of flight ability from their normal flight ability is pretty unproven, not to mention assumptive)

I'm fine with a likely rating or just giving that level of Space Flight to their full Otsutsuki forms specifically, considering those forms exemplify a full usage of all their Otsutsuki powers (they get absorption, Dojutsu, their overall appearance morphs to more resemble an Otsutsuki, etc.)
 
I think we'd have to update Boruto's page and add his new key for his karma. Aside from that, what should be done in cases like this where there's enough votes but differing interpretations?
 
Foriaa said:
I think we'd have to update Boruto's page and add his new key for his karma. Aside from that, what should be done in cases like this where there's enough votes but differing interpretations?
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Make a summary and ask the voters if they can accept Net's compromise
 
Godernet said:
While I personally would like to see more in TBV before adding this (personal skepticism)

I won't deny that based on what we currently know, the logic for Boruto and Kawaki to have it (especially Boruto, who is stated to be 100% Otsutsuki genetically rn) makes more sense than the counterarguments (The idea that certain Otsutsuki, more specifically a lesser one than the ones we are talking about, have some separate type of flight ability from their normal flight ability is pretty unproven, not to mention assumptive)

I'm fine with a likely rating or just giving that level of Space Flight to their full Otsutsuki forms specifically, considering those forms exemplify a full usage of all their Otsutsuki powers (they get absorption, Dojutsu, their overall appearance morphs to more resemble an Otsutsuki, etc.)
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Honestly, I don’t think this is contentious enough to even warrant a “likely.” Boruto and Kawaki are both full Otsutsuki, and both clearly possess general Otsutsuki true flight similar to Urashiki. So the only real question is simple: is Urashiki faster than Boruto in general flight?

That’s actually straightforward to address.


If we’re invoking the idea that Otsutsuki are faster in the vacuum of space due to the absence of atmospheric resistance, then that principle applies equally to all of them. Vacuum doesn’t selectively boost one individual over another it merely removes drag/resistance. It doesn’t alter their internal acceleration or propulsion output.

So if Boruto demonstrates superior top-flight speed to Urashiki in an atmospheric environment, that superiority carries over into space. Removing atmospheric resistance benefits both equally; it does not invert their speed hierarchy.

This isn’t even an Otsutsuki-specific argument it’s basic physics. Vacuum eliminates resistance, but it does not reshape raw speed performance. If Boruto’s flight output is greater on Earth, it remains greater in space.
 
Foriaa said:
What do you think about Godernet's proposal?
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Not gonna lie, just skimmed it and a few of the other messages so that's my bad lol

Anyways, I'd be fine with them scaling assuming that all the profiles basically just upscale from them anyways
 
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