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Mind Games - Kaldor Draigo Vs Riven of a Thousand Voices

Sakamaki Fuji said:
True. She'll probably start with mindhax.
How good is Kaldor resistance?
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Good enough to not instantly die in the Warp, which shouldn't be too dissimilar to surviving in the Ascendant Plane.
 
Welp. Riven can seduce those who are able to withstand the ascendant plane, and if I remenber correctly she was able to affect Oryx a little bit.
 
Sakamaki Fuji said:
Welp. Riven can seduce those who are able to withstand the ascendant plane, and if I remenber correctly she was able to affect Oryx a little bit.
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Riven has never shown to be able to fully seduce someone who can survive in the Ascendant Plane.

Riven was only able to affect Oryx a tiny bit because Oryx was tricked into making a wish with Riven, something that directly binds the conciousness of the wisher to the Ahamkara, and even then the extent by which Oryx was affected was so minute it would be irrelevant

Blackcurrant91 said:
Doesn't Riven just wish Khaldor doesn't exist
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Kaldor should resist any ability to simply make him cease to exist, considering Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons in the Warp were unable to kill him, despite having full control of reality within it.
 
Sakamaki Fuji said:
If she could affect Oryx, even for a short amount of time , she should be able to mindhax far weaker Hive Gods like Incaru.
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She could affect Oryx only to the point where she could feel his emotions, that's it, and it was only because Oryx had already been tricked into making a wish with her.

Riven's normal (not making a wish with her) mindhax is useless against beings that can survive within something like the Ascendant Plane.

Besides, Warp >>>>>> Ascendant Plane, in terms of sheer danger to your mind, body and soul as well as scale (given that it's a High 1-B to 1-A structure). Kaldor also regularly fights Daemons of Slaanesh, which also do similar things to Riven (Exploit every desire in order to get in your head), and Kaldor has no issue fighting them.
 
WHYNAUT said:
What would Riven's win cons even be then?
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Hitting him really hard a bunch of times?

Riven resists pretty much all of Kaldor's good powers, and vice versa.

It could come down to a physical brawl, where both are about equal in pure AP, except Kaldor has the skill and equipment but Riven has the corrosive aura that can kill Guardians in seconds and the legions of Taken at her whim.

Also the whole purification thing of the Grey Knights....which is how we beat Riven in the raid, then again the Taken blight being thrown around by Riven even after the death of her physical body could maybe kill Draigo + being BFR'd into her heart space with endless legions of Taken Knights.

There are definitely scenarios here where Riven can kill Draigo, is basically what I'm saying. Riven not being able to mindhax Kaldor doesn't mean she can't kill him another way.
 
Lets not forget Draigo killing Greater Daemons within their own realms and carrying around their hides. Even though they aren't physical.

I guess punching Draigo in the face is a wincon since he resist all that hax.
 
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