meruem vs kaneki

[MisterRedirect]

round 1 : pre rose meruem vs kaneki when he was fighting arima who suicided

round 2 : post rose meruem vs the same kaneki in round 1

both are bloodlusted, and i think kaneki will have a hard time due to merum demonstrating extreme speed while fighting the chairman

 

[Imaginym]

round 1 : pre rose meruem vs kaneki when he was fighting arima who suicided

Building level, possibly higher (Defeated Eto, tearing apart her Kakuja in a single attack, shattered Arima's Quinques and ultimately defeated him. Deflected Naki's Kagune attacks with his bare hand without using his own)

THAT key of Kaneki's?!

Meruem's weakest Key is At least 7-C - Small Town level.

both are bloodlusted, and i think kaneki will have a hard time due to merum demonstrating extreme speed while fighting the chairman

Bloodlusted Meruem?

You should read this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nen

In particular:

Spoiler: Verbose Nen Details

Spoiler: Verbose Nen Details

En (円エン, En; "Circle") is an advanced application of Ten and Ren in which a user extends aura around a certain distance using Ren to extend their aura Ten to give shape to it, normally a sphere. The minimum requirements for En are to extend aura by two meters and hold it for one minute. Anything within En is instantly sensed by the user.

Ren (練レン, Ren; "Refine"/"Enhance") focuses on outputting a larger amount of aura than Ten and projecting it outwards violently. The user emanates a large amount of aura which enhances all of their physical capabilities such as strength and durability. By projecting malice into Ren, also called "bloodlust" by Nen Users. A prolonged experience of this can cause paralysis, intense fear, in some cases madness and without a Ten as a defence, death. It's used to intimidate other Nen Users allowing them to see the difference in power. Without malice, the pressure of Ren cannot be felt by non-users and only by extremely attentive living beings with high potential in regards to Nen.

Meruem is superior to Neferpitou, who, although much more bloodthirsty than regular Meruem, is both far his inferior (Pitou is a Royal Guard Chimera Ant, Meruem is the Chimera Ant King.) & since this is a Bloodlusted combatants match, Meruem would be fighting much more optimally, his regular character not withstanding.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bloodlust does not necessarily mean bloodthirsty, after all.


....Anyway, the point is, being made so willing to win & such, (VSBW-type) bloodlusted Meruem would probably have at least as much "bloodlust" (As HxH calls it.) in his aura as Neferpitou did, if not more.

& just a slight touch of Neferpitou's Aura, despite that it wasn't even Pitou's Ren, drove Knov insane to the point he fled the palace he & his allies were doing a planned invasion of to save a country, & even despite that Knov himself was an experienced Nen user, which can give resistance to such affects. Heck, he not only fled, but his hair turned white & a lot of it felt out.

Anyway, as far as I can tell, Ken Kaneki has no equivalent of Nen to protect him.


So Bloodlusted Meruem enters the fight, expands his En so keep track of his opponent & surroundings, the aura touches Ken Kaneki, &, in what some would argue is a surprisingly in-character move for a bloodlusted Ken Kaneki, he turns into a cowering, blubbering mess, likely dying of fright.

If he doesn't die to the Fear/Death Manipulation, even after Meruem flares his Ren, Kaneki's likely Paralyzed nonetheless, at which point, Bloodlusted Meruem, being that this seems to be an At Least Small Town Level vs Building Level Kaneki, Meruem blows him apart into so many tiny pieces that you could mistake Ken's remains for chilli powder.


No, really.

Attack Potency

Destructive Capacity is the term used to determine the amount of damage a character can produce. It is normally the deciding factor of VS matches along with Speed. It is measured in units of energy. An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive...

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Spoiler: Comparisons of Attack Potency and Speed

Even if Ken was maximum Building Level & Meruem baseline Small Town Level.... The Maximum yield for a tier isbout equal to the next tier, & the multiplier from Baseline to Maximum is the High End to Low End Ratio.
So Large Building's Ratio is 5.5 times, City Block is 9.1 times, & Multi-City Block is 10x. 5.5 * 9.1 * 10 = 500.5
At a MINIMUM, Meruem is over 500 times stronger than Kaneki.

Kaneki can't really save himself with Speed, either. He's Supersonic+, likely Hypersonic at his best.
Meruem is At least Hypersonic+, likely far higher Pre-Rose, & Massively Hypersonic Post-Rose.

& believe it or not, there's actually 2 Speed Tiers between Hypersonic+ & Massively Hypersonic. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed High Hypersonic & High Hypersonic+.
Without checking for Speed calcs for them, Ken only "possibly" keeps up with Pre-Rose Meruem, & Post-Rose Meruem outspeeds ANY Key of Ken's by over 4 times.

If this is Kaneki's Dragon Key, however.... Well, that scales to 2,5621231 × 10^15 joules (2,562,123,100,000,000. Over 2.5 quadrillion.), & Pre-Rose Meruem scales to....


Oddly, I can't find a calc that Pre-Rose Meruem scales to. Assuming Baseline Low 7-C in the absence of any such calc, Baseline Low 7-C is 4.184x10^12 (4,184,000,000,000 About 4 trillion.) Joules.
Meaning the closest key of Meruem's is about 612.362118 times weaker than what Ken Kaneki scales to.

As for Post-Rose Meruem, he scales to the Low End (Violent Fragmentation of this, currently.) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TataHakai/Revisiting_HxH_2.0#comm-973966

1.46 Megatons/6,137,141,200,000,000 joules

Comparing those, Post-Rose Meruem is 2.39533424 times stronger than Ken Kaneki & Post-Rose Meruem vs Ken Kaneki is the only combination of Keys where this isn't a Tier Stomp against one-side or another. (Though it should be noted that Nen can be used for Statistics Amplification as well.)

That said, this still probably starts & ends the same way:

Bloodlusted Meruem enters the fight, expands his En so keep track of his opponent & surroundings, the aura touches Ken Kaneki, &, in what some would argue is a surprisingly in-character move for a bloodlusted Ken Kaneki, Ken, having no protection from Nen, turns into a cowering, blubbering mess, & likely dying of fright.

If Ken doesn't die of fright, he's still likely Paralyzed, & even when he's only 2.39 times weaker than Meruem, that still means getting a real rear-whooping.

The good news for Ken is that here, he isn't so overpowered that his Regeneration is irrelevant. But, Dragon Kaneki's powers & abilities are:

"All the previous except Martial Arts and Weapon Mastery,"... plus a bunch of others, none of which are Regeneration of its own. & the highest it gets from its previous keys is....

Regeneration (Low Mid; Can regrow entire limbs and heal damage to his brain)

Even if No-Nen-Equivalent-Ken-Kaneki can still fight after being exposed to Bloodlusted Meruem's Nen, Meruem can still likely try to destroy him beyond Ken's ability to Regenerate with a Rage Blast or other Nen/energy-based attack.
Not to mention Meruem, especially as Post-Rose Meruem has very potent Reactive Evolution & Accelerated Development, so his power level is likely going to be climbing higher.


That said, the biggest concerns for Meruem are probably his innate weakness that Post-Rose Meruem, & maybe biological dangers that are consequences of eating part of a ghoul (Since he might try to do that to Regenerate, power-up, or absorb/copy powers.) that might come up.

& while it's true Meruem is on a time limit, Dragon Key Ken being aware of it seems unlikely, given his Intelligence section says:
"In his Dragon form, however, he doesn't seem to act consciously and attacks whatever is in his sight."
& for a bloodlusted Post-Rose Meruem, who's Massively Hypersonic, even just an hour is oodles of time to obliterate his opponent.


So yeah, the Key mismatching aside....

TL;DR - This can be not a Tier Stomp... if it's Dragon Ken Kaneki vs Post-Rose Meruem, & even then, Meruem has tons of advantages, statistical & otherwise, not to mention Nen likely ends the fight the moment it starts. Ken's Regeneration can bring back his limbs & organs, but it won't save him from Meruem's Aura or Nen Attacks, & unless Bloodlusting changes that, Dragon Ken likely can't fight smart enough to exploit his abilities as he would need to here to have a better shot to win here.


Hopefully this is helpful to this debate!

 

[StrymULTRA]

Madness Hax gg

 

[Imaginym]

Madness Hax gg

I hate to be hypocritial, but although I initially agreed, I realized there might be a slight snag there.
"In his Dragon form, however, he doesn't seem to act consciously and attacks whatever is in his sight."

If Dragon form is so without conscious thought & violent, would Madness really affect it that much?


There may also be the problem of IF Meruem can destroy Ken completely.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/a/a9/KanekiDragon.png (Sorry for small resolution, Fandom is dumb about image links. It's the tabber image for Ken Kaneki's Dragon key, but I can't tell how to get it to display at the proper resolution.)

Pic related is Ken Kaneki's dragon form. Besides the sheer size, it has Mid-Low Regeneration to regain lost limbs & organs.
Meruem's range is:
Rangehttps://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Range: Extended Melee Range. Three kilometers with Nen techniques | Extended Melee Range. Tens of kilometers with Nen techniques

Does Meruem have the Range & Stamina to destroy Dragon Ken Kaneki beyond Ken's ability to Regenerate?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Madness hax affects Chimera Ants who are naturally like this so moot point

 

[Imaginym]

Madness hax affects Chimera Ants who are naturally like this so moot point

Which variety of Chimera Ants? The ones that look like regular ants until they eat stuff like Kite shot? The highly intelligent super-monsters like The Royal Guard?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Which variety of Chimera Ants? The ones that look like regular ants until they eat stuff like Kite shot? The highly intelligent super-monsters like The Royal Guard?

The scaling chain of feat hax is this:

Meruem's (Madness Manipulation (Type 3; Caused Welfin to physically age a hundred years from the fear he was feeling and also experience hallucinations, despite Welfin being a powerful Nen user in his own right. Meruem's Ren was so strong that his overprotective Royal Guards believed he was invincible and could beat anyone by sheer aura quantity alone. Meruem's murderous aura was able to petrify even Pouf)

Is superior to Pitou's (Enhanced Fear Manipulation (Pitou's aura terrified seasoned Nen users like Kite, Gon, and Killua) and Enhanced Madness Manipulation (Type 3; Even with Ten, Pitou is able to induce insanity)

That is superiot to Pouf's (Enhanced Fear Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (Type 3; While in a neutral state of mind, Pouf's En caused Knov to suffer a mental breakdown even though Knov hadn't touched it; in another case Pouf's mere approach was enough to cause Palm to go insane)

That is > Knov's, which is => Baseline Madness Hax

In short is literally 3-4 layers of Madness hax which affect all kinds of chimeras, Ken tanking that is NLF.

 

[Imaginym]

@ StrymUltra : NLF how?
Isn't Dragon not really acting consciously? If something is largely just acting without conscious thought, can it still be subject to Madness?
& yes, Meruem's Nen's potency scales above those like that, but Welfin, Shaiapouf, Neferpitou & Knov were all sentient & sapient beings who very much used conscious thought. None of them were practically mindless (I doubt actually mindless.) monsters like Dragon Ken Kaneki.

Also, reading Ken's profile more, there's this in his weakness section:
"If his true body is removed from the Dragon, it will begin to collapse into individual tentacles"
Which brings up the question of how big the Dragon is, & if Meruem's nen will reach to Ken's true body, or if he'll even know to go after it.