Meltlillith's invulnerability

[Schnee_One]

This isn't to say it's not legit, but a small thing.

On her profile it states that she only has it in her 2A firm, but Im pretty sure she lost this Hit Detection before she became 2A in her restricted form.

Can someone correct me on this?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

She had it from moments after her conception to level 999. Then the MC exposed her cheat that's when BB took it away, and Shinji reduced Meltlilith's level to level 1 which I'm going to bring up in a future CRT since this part of the story changes based upon what servant you have

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

If I remember correctly, in your first encounter with her during CCC, she hadn't absorbed enough things to be 2-A, but had removed her hit detection.

Everything you can do registers as a "miss" when you fight her then.

 

[Schnee_One]

Ah

So she's only got it when she's 2A.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

There is a key where she doesn't have, but that route varies in power depending on the servant you pick, but yes, at level 1 we find out she's just average servant level, and she had up it from level 1 to 999 up until the point BB took it away, and Shinji reduced her level.

 

[Schnee_One]

So what are you suggesting?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

She's going to need a crt for other keys lol

Although, iirc, we don't really know what her minimum level was and how strong she was at that point in time when she gained that ability.


We know that she was level 999 at the point she had it taken away, and a threat to BB at that level

She's average servant tier at level 1. If you pick Nero, Emiya, or Tammamo. They fight her as soon as it disappears. If you have gilgamesh, she runs away to get stronger.


So she's going to need a total of 3 or 4 keys. With, and without it. Something like that

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Did Shinji poison her first or did BB remove her hack first?

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

BB first.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

BB removed it first. Then Shinji reduced her level.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Damn, it would have made things so much more simple if Shinji had done it first

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Well if we knew what level she was when she got it. it could open up a new key for her with it i guess. I don't think it was the first thing she did though after being born. She had to abosrb people first like BB so she can become strong enough to overwrite the Mooncells laws

i still believe this ability to be a form of acausality type 4 but that is for a future crt

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

We could probably do like 3 keys. Pre-Level 999. Level 999. Post Level 999. Pre-Level 999 would be a higher degree of mountain level than post but would still be mountain level. That should be pretty simple, right?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I can agree that it would be a higher degree of mountain level at the very least. i'll try to dig up a level if i can, or if there is even a time frame specified.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I'm not even sure what a level would do? Could we scale it to the protag of a similar level or something? I get that level is acknowledged by story, but it still feels weird

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Oh wait, it would probably be about as powerful as her in FGO, wouldn't it? Wasnt she recently born in that or something? Of course she didn't have control of the game rules in that version, so I guess that would be a seperate key

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

In FGO she was recently born/created, and she was already stronger than several Knights of the Round, as shown when she nearly effortlessly beat Tristan.

However, her strength was fragile and she had low endurance. She was effectively a car running on fumes, and while that car was a super effective, super strong car that could run on fumes for days on end, she was still going to run out and collapse eventually, which is why her level continuously lowered until she was no longer capable of outshining others.

So she would likely be Mountain Level+, but she would have a new weakness that is her low endurance during that time, one that would eventually make her normal Mountain Level.

 

[Makkurona]

Ah, just saying while we are discussing about Melt's invulnerability. Just pointing out that the whole "Melt can't get hit" should be only in Moon Cell, which such case can only happen, by Melt sneakily overwriting something that was like the rules of the Moon Cell on how time is experienced in the Far Side of the Moon iirc, making Melt into an object that "won't detect any hit and thus can't be hit" no matter what. Simpler explanation is like how hackers in FPS games make their characters won't get hit or make their hitbox smaller.

In FGO event, by the time we met Melt she was already broken apart. She was actually like a player doing HP 1% run from the beginning, with levels that were prime enough for her to show her original powers (Though i won't say it's the same as the level 999 in CCC. Imo it's like when Melt retreats after her levels got cut to level 1 because Shinji's modificated virus, so she can get some of her level back).

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The Mooncell is it's own multiverse. I don't see how it would apply with "Mooncell only' Especially when she used her Goddess Authority to perform Law Manipulation to overwrte a mooncell's law.

Anyways, I couldn't find any indication of how strong she was when she first got it, i do know in CCC she doesn't get weaker while fighting. she gets stronger due to her Melt Virus.

but I think

Mountain Level+ (above average servants such as [insert servant names here] after absorbing many other servants, and AI's for Experience Points)

is the safest low end.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Also.. she needs a key for

Planet level+ (Should be comparable to a serious Gilgamesh. She had to run away, and abosrb more being's to get strong enough to fight him)

or 6-C wth the same reasoning.

 

[Makkurona]

The law in this is more like rules in a game concerning how hit detection works there. Moon Cell has its own rules even if it simulates real universes, different rules than the real world rules. And she didn't use her own Authority to hack the rules, she just hacked it like how most hackers and BB in Extra. The story never said that she used Authority for it. The story seems to lean on that she hacks it without authority of the gods. She just had access and the intelligence for it, when seeing how close she is with BB. She would have access to such things.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

• "Sakura :: What…? That…that can't…I'll check again…no irregularities…Meltlilith herself, has no illegal traces…No, way — Meltlilith's "invincibility" isn't a skill, but her own legitimate right…?" [1]

• "A normal skill "is able to accomplish a certain task by following a corresponding principle," but an Authority works "simply by making things happen because one has that right."" [2]

She changed the law of time for herself. (I will go in detail about how this relates to acausality at a later time) Which resulted in her "loss of hit detection" "removal of the verdict of her being hit" and "Loss of collision detection"

This is heavyily implied that she did it through her authority only after she became strong enough to change such a law.

Even if it was mooncell only. I believe verse equalization disallows something being "only here" in vsmatches. unless its a pocket reality type thing. iirc that is.

She was also never close with BB. She wanted to kill BB, and absorb the Mooncelll for herself. And BB is the only one allowed invincibility. Hence why she took it away from Melt-chan.

 

[Makkurona]

I meant "close" as in "distance" not in relationship. But, oh well, if we are going by that here. No qualms, just something i found confusing when i first looked at it.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Also.. she needs a key for
Planet level+ (Should be comparable to a serious Gilgamesh. She had to run away, and abosrb more being's to get strong enough to fight him)

or 6-C wth the same reasoning.

Is that how strong Gil was at the time? If so, based on what?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Is that how strong Gil was at the time? If so, based on what?

Meltlilith fought Gilgamesh before when she had her Invincibility, so she understands just how strong he is.

Also, Gilgamesh was was amazed by Shinji's sacrafice. he was willing to fight seriously for Shinji's honorable sacrafice, and even protected his already dying body from an onslaught of meltliliths attacks.

• "Meltlilith launches another attack at Shinji, but is held at bay by Gilgamesh. BB has confiscated her invincibility, and thanks to Shinji her overwhelmingly high level has come down to earth.

Gilgamesh :: Stand down, Meltlilith. This is not due to error on your part. This man did well. Shinji had to win, and so he won. So I will not permit any further injury to the victor here. Next is your battle with us."


After that she ran away to get stronger because she is already aware of Gilgamesh's strength

• "Meltlilith :: Ha — right, that's how it is. In the end I, too, must resort to shutting myself inside my heart. Fine, I will withdraw. You may do as you like with this floor. But it will be as a fleeting dream. I will absorb levels from humans again, somewhere where no one can get in my way. When I have recovered a suitable level satisfying to me, I will come to see you. Until then, you can keep playing at comradery!"

+ it is possible to scale to passionlip that is only if we go by the "Triangle" these 3 alter egos have.

Melt > Passionlip > Kingprotea according to the guide book. King protea can counter Melt. Melt can counter Lip. Lip can counter Protea.

Passionlip has the highest destructive capacity. Melt has the higher intellgenice and hax.