MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[CharlesZaGreat]

Spoiler: Thunderbolts*

Looking into Bob's condition, I'm thinking its less that he can't use his powers without the void coming out and more than he worried about his mental condition (If you want to know, Bob is bipolar. Sentry and The Void aren't alternate states of conscience, they're him experiencing highs and lows with the add bonus of super powers.)

 

[darkphantom9805]

Looking into Bob's condition, I'm thinking its less that he can't use his powers without the void coming out and more than he worried about his mental condition (If you want to know, Bob is bipolar. Sentry and The Void aren't alternate states of conscience, they're him experiencing highs and lows with the add bonus of super powers.)

This isn’t even true they are literally stated to be alternate states of consciousness it’s basically a moon knight situation where he created another person when at their lowest point

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

This isn’t even true they are literally stated to be alternate states of consciousness it’s basically a moon knight situation where he created another person when at their lowest point

Spoiler

No

Moon Knight and Hulk have DID, Bob suffers from biploar (He literally states that suffers from highs and lows in the movies. )The void is quite literally the darkness inside him, all that depression, self loathing, sense of hopelessness. The Sentry is when he's feeling his highs, the sense of invincibility, that he's quite literally on top of the world right now. It's all the same person with just a different state of mind.

 

[darkphantom9805]

No

Moon Knight and Hulk have DID, Bob suffers from biploar (He literally states that suffers from highs and lows in the movies. )The void is quite literally the darkness inside him, all that depression, self loathing, sense of hopelessness. The Sentry is when he's feeling his highs, the sense of invincibility, that he's quite literally on top of the world right now. It's all the same person with just a different state of mind.

yes as that’s literally stated to be the case sentry feeling empty and vulnerable created the void exactly like moon knight it’s not just him feeling sad there’s two people not 1

 

[GodEarh206]

I just want to ask about Wenwu, can he scale anything from the Avengers? I'm seeing his speed is "Subsonic"

 

[darkphantom9805]

I just want to ask about Wenwu, can he scale anything from the Avengers? I'm seeing his speed is "Subsonic"

Yes as he was on screen keeping up with and pressing Odin

chi was stated a fight between him and Thor could go either way which means his speed has to scale otherwise there can’t be a fight as he’d be blitzed

 

[Reyne]

I wonder, is it possible to estimate Sentry's durability based on the force required to snap a knife on his person?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Emily Hampshire will be E.D.I.T.H. in the Vision Quest series.

 

[darkphantom9805]

How come red hulks profile doesn’t scale him to vibranium ?and only avengers level hulk who made his profile?

 

[Emerald]

How come red hulks profile doesn’t scale him to vibranium ?and only avengers level hulk who made his profile?

Bro we had a whole discussion thread just for making the profile dawg

Captain America: Brave New World Spoiler Discussion Thread

can i create rulk’s profile yet bc i think i got almost everything in my blog also is it safe to scale him to avenger hulk? or like to his own feats for the time being if no ones sure abt it https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FentyBeauty/bnw Endured slices from vibranium wings and...

vsbattles.com

 

[darkphantom9805]

Bro we had a whole discussion thread just for making the profile dawg

We didn’t pretty much his entire profile wasn’t disused like him only scaling to avengers hulk there’s no reasoning for that in the first place and his profile doesn’t say why and vibranium scaling is for some reason just not in his tier despite denting it backhanding it and tearing it etc

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[darkphantom9805]

Can the feats from the TvA and kahori comics be used for mcu feats? On their profile?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Looks like someone posted a video of the Agatha All Along artbook:


I wonder if there's any useful information in it...

 

[darkphantom9805]

Like would stuff such as Loki being able to freeze 616 be able to go on their profiles for like the tesseract

 

[Dinobot1996]

If this currently unevaluated calculation for ripping off a car door gets accepted, Kingpin may be able to get a LS upgrade.

 

[Dinobot1996]

A new unevaluated calculation blog puts one of Wiccan's subconscious reality warping feats at 7-C, and Death dispersing a storm at 7-B.

 

[Naeem0304]

MCU General CRT #5 (God of Stories Loki, Bifrost, Mjolnir, Layered Hax)

Loki (Layered Time Hax) Baseline: The Time Stone was able to freeze time in the normal universe. 1 Layer: The Time Stone caused a split in the space-time of the Timeline, which includes an infinite number of space-times. 2 Layers: Normal Time Manipulation is impossible in the TVA. 3 Layers...

vsbattles.com

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[darkphantom9805]

when f4 comes out is someone making a phase 6 thread and we move there ? Cause that’s the start of phase 6

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

That happened during the credits for Captain Marvel, which I guess apparently happened in canon according to the VFX supervisor?

Lmao I know this comment is a month old but viewing the thread brought me to this page so I saw it. FYI the dude never said that. Idk why WGTC made an article over this 2 years ago but I forged it in 2021 over a practical joke and it seemed they cited exactly that fake tweet verbatim

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

when f4 comes out is someone making a phase 6 thread and we move there ? Cause that’s the start of phase 6

We were on phase 3 the other day how we on phase 6 already?

 

[darkphantom9805]

We were on phase 3 the other day how we on phase 6 already?

Phase 3 what are you talking about lol we’ve been on phase 5 and f4 is start of p6

 

[ReturnofKhadz]

Phase 3 what are you talking about lol we’ve been on phase 5 and f4 is start of p6

Do u know what exaggerations are?

I said that specifically cuz it’s moving far too quickly, especially when it initially took them 8 years to start onto phase 3, which was a good pace

Now 3->6 in half that time?

 

[RoTt35]

Hulk (Avenger) vs Wolverine (Post-Adamantium) could work?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Feige says that in order to get to Asgard you have to bust through spatial dimensions

 

[sanicspood]

aernt they literally planets across space lol

 

[darkphantom9805]

Hulk (Avenger) vs Wolverine (Post-Adamantium) could work?

How big are the nine realms ? Didn’t you make a thread on it

 

[Naeem0304]

Feige says that in order to get to Asgard you have to bust through spatial dimensions

If you could get intergalactic transportation, and bust through a few dimensions and other spatial rifts in the process, you would come upon them.

There's another statement that supports this:

transistioning from Earth as we know it to the multi-dimensionality of the Nine Realms

In fact, it's exactly 1 to 1 with what Feige said.

 

[Naeem0304]

Hulk (Avenger) vs Wolverine (Post-Adamantium) could work?

Go for it. Heck, Deadpool 3 does a sneak peek of this fight, so it'd be good.

 

[darkphantom9805]

There's another statement that supports this:

In fact, it's exactly 1 to 1 with what Feige said.

So based on vs wiki tier how big is the nine realms low 2c?

 

[Naeem0304]

So based on vs wiki tier how big is the nine realms low 2c?

Since an MCU universe is High 3-A on its own, then yeah, the collective Nine Realms would probably be Low 2-C.

I'm still wondering where Valhalla can get since it's a part of Asgardian culture, and it exists outside of the timelines (in Love and Thunder, the timeline strands can be seen in the sky.) Given how there are different Valhallas for every universe, that means there are an uncountable number.

I wonder where a dimension sitting outside a 2-A/Multiversal+ structure will scale to.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Since an MCU universe is High 3-A on its own, then yeah, the collective Nine Realms would probably be Low 2-C.

I'm still wondering where Valhalla can get since it's a part of Asgardian culture, and it exists outside of the timelines (in Love and Thunder, the timeline strands can be seen in the sky.) Given how there are different Valhallas for every universe, that means there are an uncountable number.

I wonder where a dimension sitting outside a 2-A/Multiversal+ structure will scale to.

valhalla is most likely a higher dimension it’s hard to tell cause not much is known about it and there would have to be infinite of them since there are many infinite variants

What dimension are you talking about the one Valhalla takes place in ?

 

[RoTt35]

How big are the nine realms ? Didn’t you make a thread on it

I made this a while ago:

Spoiler

• The Art of Thor states that the Nine Realms are realms of reality.
• ‌The Art of Thor: The Dark World states that the Nine Realms are multi-dimensional.
• ‌The artbook also states that from the Observatory you can look out over the universes.
• ‌A Deluxe Book/Guidebook of Thor states that Jane and Thor were separated by an entire universe, who were on Earth and Asgard respectively.
• ‌The Movie Storybook of Avengers states that Asgard is a realm that exists alongside our universe.

And the "Avengers Infinity War: The Official Movie Special Book" also states that, during the Convergence, "the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin". This, along with the previous statements, tells us that the Nine Realms are universes/realities/dimensions on their own, and that they exist alongside ours separated by their own dimensional boundaries/borders at a universal distance.

• ‌Note: universe, dimension and reality are used interchangeably.

There are five ways to travel between realms:

• ‌Through the Tesseract/Space Stone, which facilitate interdimensional and space-time travel.
• ‌Through the Bifrost, an interdimensional bridge that allows travel through space-time.
• ‌During the Convergence, an interdimensional cosmic event where the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin, creating wormholes through space-time that allow the passage between realms.
• ‌Through Jump Points and the Universal Neural Teleportation Network, a system of wormholes through the space-time continuum.
• ‌Through dimensional rifts.

As we see, the passage between realms is physically impossible, being necessary the use of interdimensional portals to travel through space-time in order to travel between realms and their boundaries. Other realms also seem to have a different flow of time, as Hela was locked away in Hel after the birth of Thor, who is 1500 years old, but for her 5000 years have passed. Finally there's also the "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Doctor Strange" and the Marvel Website stating that Earth (Midgard) has its own reality/dimension/plane of existence.

Counterarguments

• Thor stated that humans see Yggdrasil through the Hubble Telescope.
  • The "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Captain America: The First Avenger" clarifies that they only have seen portions of Yggdrasil, which is consistent with this statement that no astronomer can see the realm of Asgard.
• According to a VFX article, the Nine Realms are galaxies.
  • It doesn't refer to Yggdrasil itself (which is shown completely different) but simply to a representation of it inside the palace of Asgard, it's like saying that Earth is flat because the UN logo is flat. Also, it doesn't state that they're galaxy sized, they're just represented with that shape, which doesn't dismisse them being universal sized.

 

[darkphantom9805]

I made this a while ago:

Spoiler

• The Art of Thor states that the Nine Realms are realms of reality.
• ‌The Art of Thor: The Dark World states that the Nine Realms are multi-dimensional.
• ‌The artbook also states that from the Observatory you can look out over the universes.
• ‌A Deluxe Book/Guidebook of Thor states that Jane and Thor were separated by an entire universe, who were on Earth and Asgard respectively.
• ‌The Movie Storybook of Avengers states that Asgard is a realm that exists alongside our universe.

And the "Avengers Infinity War: The Official Movie Special Book" also states that, during the Convergence, "the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin". This, along with the previous statements, tells us that the Nine Realms are universes/realities/dimensions on their own, and that they exist alongside ours separated by their own dimensional boundaries/borders at a universal distance.

• ‌Note: universe, dimension and reality are used interchangeably.

There are five ways to travel between realms:

• ‌Through the Tesseract/Space Stone, which facilitate interdimensional and space-time travel.
• ‌Through the Bifrost, an interdimensional bridge that allows travel through space-time.
• ‌During the Convergence, an interdimensional cosmic event where the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin, creating wormholes through space-time that allow the passage between realms.
• ‌Through Jump Points and the Universal Neural Teleportation Network, a system of wormholes through the space-time continuum.
• ‌Through dimensional rifts.

As we see, the passage between realms is physically impossible, being necessary the use of interdimensional portals to travel through space-time in order to travel between realms and their boundaries. Other realms also seem to have a different flow of time, as Hela was locked away in Hel after the birth of Thor, who is 1500 years old, but for her 5000 years have passed. Finally there's also the "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Doctor Strange" and the Marvel Website stating that Earth (Midgard) has its own reality/dimension/plane of existence.

Counterarguments

• Thor stated that humans see Yggdrasil through the Hubble Telescope.
  • The "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Captain America: The First Avenger" clarifies that they only have seen portions of Yggdrasil, which is consistent with this statement that no astronomer can see the realm of Asgard.
• According to a VFX article, the Nine Realms are galaxies.
  • It doesn't refer to Yggdrasil itself (which is shown completely different) but simply to a representation of it inside the palace of Asgard, it's like saying that Earth is flat because the UN logo is flat. Also, it doesn't state that they're galaxy sized, they're just represented with that shape, which doesn't dismisse them being universal sized.

Did you add the Kevin feige one also with this much evidence is 2c nine realms accepted? On this site ?

 

[Naeem0304]

I made this a while ago:

Spoiler

• The Art of Thor states that the Nine Realms are realms of reality.
• ‌The Art of Thor: The Dark World states that the Nine Realms are multi-dimensional.
• ‌The artbook also states that from the Observatory you can look out over the universes.
• ‌A Deluxe Book/Guidebook of Thor states that Jane and Thor were separated by an entire universe, who were on Earth and Asgard respectively.
• ‌The Movie Storybook of Avengers states that Asgard is a realm that exists alongside our universe.

And the "Avengers Infinity War: The Official Movie Special Book" also states that, during the Convergence, "the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin". This, along with the previous statements, tells us that the Nine Realms are universes/realities/dimensions on their own, and that they exist alongside ours separated by their own dimensional boundaries/borders at a universal distance.

• ‌Note: universe, dimension and reality are used interchangeably.

There are five ways to travel between realms:

• ‌Through the Tesseract/Space Stone, which facilitate interdimensional and space-time travel.
• ‌Through the Bifrost, an interdimensional bridge that allows travel through space-time.
• ‌During the Convergence, an interdimensional cosmic event where the realms of reality become aligned and the boundaries between each dimension become exceedingly thin, creating wormholes through space-time that allow the passage between realms.
• ‌Through Jump Points and the Universal Neural Teleportation Network, a system of wormholes through the space-time continuum.
• ‌Through dimensional rifts.

As we see, the passage between realms is physically impossible, being necessary the use of interdimensional portals to travel through space-time in order to travel between realms and their boundaries. Other realms also seem to have a different flow of time, as Hela was locked away in Hel after the birth of Thor, who is 1500 years old, but for her 5000 years have passed. Finally there's also the "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Doctor Strange" and the Marvel Website stating that Earth (Midgard) has its own reality/dimension/plane of existence.

Counterarguments

• Thor stated that humans see Yggdrasil through the Hubble Telescope.
  • The "Guidebook to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - Captain America: The First Avenger" clarifies that they only have seen portions of Yggdrasil, which is consistent with this statement that no astronomer can see the realm of Asgard.
• According to a VFX article, the Nine Realms are galaxies.
  • It doesn't refer to Yggdrasil itself (which is shown completely different) but simply to a representation of it inside the palace of Asgard, it's like saying that Earth is flat because the UN logo is flat. Also, it doesn't state that they're galaxy sized, they're just represented with that shape, which doesn't dismisse them being universal sized.

Another counterargument is the fact that the Statesman craft from Ragnarok was capable of flying from Asgard to Earth within a specific timeframe, even while being half-dismantled (since the escape pods holding Korg, Miek and Valkryie made it to Earth.)

That might throw off the physical impossibility of travel, unless we assume the Statesman craft having the durability to survive a Magnetar Wormhole made it possible to take a random space-time rift (I mean, given how Sakaar had one near Earth.)

 

[darkphantom9805]

Another counterargument is the fact that the Statesman craft from Ragnarok was capable of flying from Asgard to Earth within a specific timeframe, even while being half-dismantled (since the escape pods holding Korg, Miek and Valkryie made it to Earth.)

all that happened off screen them going from Asgard to earth meaning why wouldn’t we assume they used jump points off screen or something ? especially with how much evidence there is supporting universes/dimensions separated by space time

 

[Naeem0304]

all that happened off screen them going from Asgard to earth meaning why wouldn’t we assume they used jump points off screen or something ?

This is the answer; I looked back at the Infinity War transcript, and the Asgardian at the beginning says they were 22 jump points out of Asgard, so they were using them.

Never mind.

 

[darkphantom9805]

This is the answer; I looked back at the Infinity War transcript, and the Asgardian at the beginning says they were 22 jump points out of Asgard, so they were using them.

Never mind.

Yeah because it makes no sense your able to physically travel between them the way I see it is there’s way too much evidence supporting their different universes/dimensions separated by space times and the only way to travel between the are like jump points or wormholes etc

 

[RoTt35]

Go for it. Heck, Deadpool 3 does a sneak peek of this fight, so it'd be good.

I made the match, I hope it's interesting