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Massive Saint Seiya Revisions

Matthew_Schroeder

VS Battles
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Hello.

I'm creating this thread with the intent of making significant changes that will affect the entirety of the Saint Seiya Verse. So, without further ado:

Currently the series' Gold Saints, and all comparable characters are ranking at a general Star Level ranking. The reason for that is simple, there are a few statements that those who master Cosmos can destroy stars, and the Libra Weapons which are around x12 times more powerful than the average Gold Saint can atomically destroy stars.

However, recently I realize how this is a massive lowball, and is ignoring consistently shown proofs of higher ratings. As such, I will share all of them:

The Titan Dimension Iapetus, even while heavily sealed and depowered, is capable of creating entire universes / dimensions with the movement of his hands through his Khora Temnei attack. Those contain countless stars in their interior:

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Aries Mu is not only capable of blocking said dimensions with his Crystal Wall, but is also capable of easily wrapping the entirety of Iapetus' universe and erasing it with his Starlight Extinctio:

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Regardless, Iapetus was casual when performing his previous universe-creating feat:

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Later in the fight, Mu unleashes his most powerful attack, the Stardust Revolution. He creates a new universe, and rains down meteors and stars from it onto the opponent.

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Later in the manga, the Saints are fighting against the Titaness Justice Themis, who has a technique called Brabeus Talanto. It consists of a giant golden scale falling onto and crushing the opponent. It is unbearably heavy, because it holds the weight of human sins... Which are heavier than the celestial firmament and its countless stars that Atlas is condemned to lift.

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However, not only can Taurus Aldebara, physically the strongest of the Gold Saints, lift it with ease using only one hand:

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But he also completely shatters it with the mere shockwave of a one-handed variation of his strongest attack, the Great Hor, which he used to kill the immortal Hydra, nullifying its Infinite Regenerationn powers.

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Both of these are solid Multi-Solar System level feats, but let's keep going.

Next, we have the many, many instances of characters surviving the Galaxian Explosio attack, which like the name implies, has the force of an exploding galaxy:

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However, in both of those instances, Gemini Saga was holding back. In the first instance he was only facing against mooks, while in the second he was toying with Capricorn Shura and didn't want to kill him.

So what does a full-powered Galaxian Explosion from Saga do? Well...

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É o ataque mais temível de Saga. Dizem que seu poder se equipara a diversas galáxias de desintegrando. Mesmo o grande Cronos foi forçado a recuar por conta desse grande ataque.
Translation:

It is Saga's most terrifying attack. It is said that its power equals that of numerous galaxies being disintegrated. Even great Cronus was pushed back due to this great attack.

So Gemini Saga while using all of his power is a solid Multi-Galaxy level character.

So, let's show everyone who survived Galaxian Explosions from Gemini Saga, or comparable beings, be them casual or serious. Aside from Shura above, Phoenix Ikki has a history battling Geminis:

During the Sanctuary Arc, Ikki was hit with a Galaxian Explosion and barely survived it, however he was put in a near catatonic state. Saga then fired a second, non-held back attack and atomized Ikki.

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In the Poseidon Arc, Ikki fights against Saga's brother Kanon, and not only survives his Galaxian Explosion, but after returning from another dimension even stronger than before, he can tank his Galaxian Explosion with relative ease. However, Kanon was holding back a lot, so this is only a Galaxy level feat, not Multi-Galactic.

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Them upgrades tho. ^^;

They all sound good and reasonable enough to me, so i'm fine with this being pass onto here for an upgrade like this for the Gold Saints.

I take it that this, though obviously but probably more or less not necessary, would scale to the more higher ups of the verse it seems?
 
This revision looks good, I agree with this. So what tier would Pegasus Seiya be during the Sanctuary Arc?
 
Looks good, but would this revision affect characters like Thanatos and Hypnos who are currently listed as Multi-Galaxy Level?
 
And base Hades as well, as him and all the other characters that don't need the + on their stats.
 
Seiya's profile currently has him listed as being superior to a Judge of the Underworld with his 8th Sense and that Judges are vastly superior to Gold Saints. Which would mean that the Bronze Saints who fought Thanatos would all be in the Multi-Galaxy Level range. Since Thanatos one shot them all, couldn't this mean that the two of them should be listed at Multi-Galaxy Level+?
 
GalaxianAegis said:
Since Thanatos one shot them all, couldn't this mean that the two of them should be listed at Multi-Galaxy Level+?
At least would be better as the plus is more preferable to be added by calcs.
 
I had a couple of questions regarding this. Apologies if I am missing something or if they seem silly.

"Regardless, Iapetus was casual when performing his previous universe-creating feat"

"Later in the fight, Mu unleashes his most powerful attack, the
Stardust Revolution. He creates a new universe, and rains down meteors and stars from it onto the opponent."

Would these two characters be Universe level via creating a universe then?

"Which are heavier than the celestial firmament and its countless stars that Atlas is condemned to lift."

"However, not only can
Taurus Aldebara, physically the strongest of the Gold Saints, lift it with ease using only one hand:"

Would this give that character and everyone who scales to him "At least Stellar" Lifting Strength via being able to casuallly lift something that's apparently heavier than multiple solar systems?
 
I would assume that it is a pocket universe that is only Multi-Solar System in size. Maybe Galactic in size.

And yes, all Gold Saints would get Multi-Solar System Class lifting strength.
 
@Matt oh that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Also our Lifting Strength page doesn't have a specific rating for lifting multiple solar systems. There's Stellar which is lifting a small star and everything above before galaxy lifting.

So I think "At least Stellar" would be appropriate for these characters.
 
looks legit to me. But yeah definitly make sure to have a link in all the profiles effected for an explanation.
 
"Pre-Galactic", maybe, like "Pre-Stellar".
 
I really like Prom's idea.

Or maybe we can make Stellar include Solar System level lifting.

Then MSS lifting or what these characters would be is called "Multi-Steller."

This also fits in with a pattern. Just like there is "Galactic" and "Multi-Galactic" there would be "Stellar" and Multi-Stellar"

Whichever the majority of people decide.
 
Multi-Stellar for Multi-Solar System sounds really good, while Stellar can include an entire Solar System, as our Sun encompasses more than 99% of our system's own mass.
 
Stellar: 2x10^29 to ? kg (The mass of a smaller star up to a solar system)

Multi-Stellar: (The mass of multiple stars or solar systems)

Is this alright?
 
Sure thing thanks. I have done so.

Also a little bit unrelated, but can I make the explanations for Galactic, Multi-Galactic, and Universal just "The mass of a galaxy" "The mass of multiple galaxies" and "The mass of a universe or multiple physical universes"?

I get they're self explanatory, but I feel that the page would be better if every single ranking was properly explained, even with a very brief and obvious segment. That's just me though.
 
I am fine with Ryukama's suggestions.
 
Okay I have done the changes.

I believe we can now get back to the topic of the Saint Seiya revisions, if that hasn't been concluded already.
 
The speed of the Silver Saints can exceed the mach 2 and 5?.

In the last chapter of Sho. Mayura destroys one of the fragments of the star or comet.

The fragments of the comet o star falls in the planet earth.

A Silver Saint like Juan can stops an attack of Mayura.

The Saintias (Bronze Saints) protect to Saori of a lightning of Juan.

The casual attacks of Juan are lightning and Georg has a more powerful attack the Geistig Blitz (translated as Spiritual Lightning).

 
Mach 2-5 Silver Saints is a pure outlier, even by powerscaling from the show it makes no sense, and I have calculated the saints reaching mach 25 since the first tournament
 
Cygnus Hyoga ran from Siberia to Japan in a timeframe of minutes to an hour, in his first appearance. Seiya fired an energy blast at Shiryu in a timeframe of 0,001 seconds in the first arc. Juan can move as literal cloud-to-ground lightning.
 
Okay, first thing first.

Very well accurate proof of revision. I didnt expected that the GS would be more stupidly OP.

Cronus would still be at 3-B due to surviving Saga Galaxisn Explosion.

I dont think Kanon was holding back when he fought Ikki in Poseidon Arc.

I dont think Milo is the weakest GS, DeathMask and Aphrodite is the weakest GS.
 
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