Massive Pokémon Legendaries Upgrade

[Dark649]

As discussed here, Saikyou told me that it makes no sense for Ultra Necrozma to become 4-B from absorbing 5-B beings so:

- Solgaleo, Lunala and Base Necrozma [Necrozma Forms] becomes 4-B, which will scale to the Tapus and the Ultra Beasts since they fight with eachother.

- 50% and 100% Zygarde becomes 4-B MFTL+ since its Pokédex description implies that it protect the regions in its the 50% form and is heavily implied to have fought evenly with the Ultra Beasts, which threatened the Alola region.

- This also scales to Xerneas and Yvetal since are comparable to 50% Zygarde, Magearna, Mega Mewtwo and Red Genesect also scales.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I was for scaling the Cosmic Duo, the UBs and Tapus.

But not Zygarde. I have said this countless of times, the UBs scale to Zygarde but not the opposite.

 

[Kepekley23]

I completely disagree with scaling this to most legendaries. Legendaries with Low 6-B/6-Bfeats suddenly becoming 4-B is the worst outlier I've ever seen, not to offend anyone.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

The UBs and such are Low 6-B solely through being superior to "fodder" legendaries if I say so myself. But it'd be an outlier for the rest, yes.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

But no Legendaries that are 6-B would be touched by this.

Unless your talking about the Dark Matter stuff?

 

[Dark649]

Dark Matter is 4-A.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Meant the scaling really.

But otherwise, what 6-B legendaries would be effected by this?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Only the Tapus, Cosmic Duo, UBs and Type: Null.

Zygarde and any other people scaling to this is bull.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I don't completely see why tbh. Why couldnt we just scale Zygarde to the UBs in AP but not speed like we've done and accepted for the same reasons already?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I completely disagree with scaling this to most legendaries. Legendaries with Low 6-B/6-Bfeats suddenly becoming 4-B is the worst outlier I've ever seen, not to offend anyone.

This.

Also, absorbing people tends to make characters far, far stronger than the sum of their parts in fiction. This is pretty cliched. A being's power is sharded into many halves? Chances are the complete being will be more powerful than the Power of One Shard x Number of Shards.

So Necrozma did become 4-B by absorbing 5-Bs, and that's that.

This sort of ridiculously leniant scaling would eventually make every Legendary scale to the Creation Trio.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I am fine with the 4-A scaling, also supported by Shadow Mewtwo's 4-A feat.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That feat has been rejected in the past, stop bringing it up. Shadow Mewtwo only caused some teleportation.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Except that none of the 6-B people have any 6-B feats. They scale to 6-B people due to said people being weaker.

That logic doesn't work here, given that Necrozma directly taps from Solgaleo and Lunala's light (pretty much their power source) to reach Ultra. In fact he took said light to make up his physical body.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Oh, I wasn't sure what was said about it, wasn't there for it, I just thought it was passed off as an outlier.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Well, about Zygarde would prefer not scale yet, I mean, is very likely that in the manga Zygarde ends up fighting against Necrozma himself.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Saikou. Warhammer 40,000 has High 1-B beings who are sharded into High 4-C parts. The fact that he needs to drain the energy does not necessarily scale.

And even if it scales to them alone, every other Pokémon who is 6-B would be an outlier. The end.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

As for the OP, I 100%, vehemently and absolutely disagree with paragraphs two through four.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

1. Not exactly the best comparison. It'd be more like a 5-B absorbing the Ki of a specific character and becoming 4-B in the process. In fact, IIRC Nectozma has to constantly sap energy from them to stay in his Ultra form.

2. I have no idea what the hell you mean by that. Only these top tier would scale to that. No one else.

 

[NeoZex6399]

That feat has been rejected in the past, stop bringing it up. Shadow Mewtwo only caused some teleportation.

Dark Colosseum: "A mysterious subspace rift created by Shadow Mewtwo's power. It is a cold, inorganic place with Shadow Synergy Stone shards visible in the background."

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Except it is literally canonically 100 meters in diameter or so and it was agreed to have no stars in the background as the white dots keep rising and fading like mist.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Only the Tapus, Cosmic Duo, UBs and Type: Null.
Zygarde and any other people scaling to this is bull.

If only the people who Necrozma absorbed get scaled, maybe. Everyone else scaling from them? No.

 

[Kepekley23]

Basically, anything that remotely ends up with 4-B Lugia or Zapdos is automatically an immense outlier via common sense.

The Tapus and the Ultra Beasts are good to go, though.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Again, what 6-B legendaries would be effected by this other than the Tapu?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

All of those people strictly scales only to the Cosmic Duo. The UBs themselves are constantly treated as being beyond in power anything seen before, including previous legendaries.

The legendaries aren't stuck in a scaling limbo where they can't be above Low 6-B without scaling everyone else to them. Remember that we used to have High 6-As, 2-Bs, 6-Bs and 6-As from separate legendaries.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Except it is literally canonically 100 meters in diameter or so and it was agreed to have no stars in the background as the white dots keep rising and fading like mist.

Well, I just wanted to prove that Mewtwo not only teleports to anywhere, I'm not defending this as a 4-A feat.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

"leggendary scaling"

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I am Legg

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I am legging at how this revision is supposed to make sense.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Because outlier argument makes no sense when the people that scales are top tier and no one else in the verse is scaled to them.

When only Xerneas and co were 5-B with a single feat no one said it was an outlier because other legendaries had feats below it despite not scaling to them.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I mean Dark649 wanting to make half the Legendaries 4-B. Which is an outlier.

 

[Kepekley23]

As long as you don't try to slap 4-B on half the legends via inane backwards-backwards scaling, I'm fine. The UBs scaling are the only thing I'm 100% sure of.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Im pretty sure no legendaries other than Zygarde, Yveltal, Xerneas, Diancie, Magearna, Mega-Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Deoxys and maybe Genesect would be effected by this at all after the top tiers.

So im not even sure how "half" of all legendaries are apart of this

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Like we said Kukui, none of what you mentioned scale. Zygarde doesn't scale. Only the UBs and such.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Scaling the UB's and maybe the Tapu is the''' farthest''' I am willing to go.

 

[Kepekley23]

> Rayquaza, Deoxys and Genesect.

No, just no.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Kukui can you for once not push for maximum scaling and just accept what everyone else accepts, namely the UBs, Tapus and Type: Null? Anything more than that isn't gonna fly.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

But I wasn't arguing for them or pushing for anything other than what was straightforward.

Only thing I was confused on was why people were thinking "half" of the legendaries would be effected when they wouldnt. Literally that and nothing else.

 

[NeoZex6399]

If Zygarde fight against Necrozma in the manga, could he scale?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Scaling the UB's and maybe the Tapu is the farthest I am willing to go.

Can you explain why Tapu is a maybe? The less scale the more I gravitate towards o3o

 

[Kepekley23]

Scaling the UB's and maybe the Tapu is the farthest I am willing to go.

This.

I'm barely even willing to scale the Tapus to it considering how iffy it is, but the Tapus and UBs are the maximum I can go.

Rayquaza, Deoxys, Genesect, Diancie and Magearna scaling is ridiculous and it really sounds like an infinite layer of backwards scaling, not to offend anyone.