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MASSIVE list of new/improved abilities for Yubel

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Hello everyone, yeah I know this is yet again ANOTHER Yubel CRT to give her a lots of new abilities (yeah sorry about that but I keep discovering new things about that character). Anyway here are things I suggest we should add or modify.

I] Modification of already existing abilities:

1) Mind Manipulation and mind reading: we should precise her mind manipulation and mind reading abilities (which includes things like corruption, zombification etc ...) can bypass resistance to mind manipulation and mind reading because she managed to mentally corrupt Johan's crystal beasts as well as well his rainbow dragon to turn them into darker versions of themself that obey her. And we know they protect Johan (in a similar way to what Yubel does with Judai by being in his body) from being mind manipulated or mind read because in season 4 they offered resistance to him against Fujiwara's mind manipulation and reading (though after focusing more intensely he breaks those defenses, but at first Fujiwara was unsure he could break through said defenses). And we know Fujiwara while possessed by Darkness/Nightsrhoud is a supernatural being who can bypass resistance to telepathy and mind manipulation/control.

2) Immortality. We should add the following types of Immortality to Yubel's profile:

- Type 4, Yubel already has "resurrection" on her profile: if she's Killed or BFRed she can resurrect herself, heal herself and Transform (up to twice). Knowing this ability is already on her profile; it's logical to grant her immortality type 4.

- In addition to that, since she can possess character's bodies therefore she also has access to immortality type 6. After all, this is what we did with Orochimaru's profile

- Finally, all duel monsters (Yubel included ofc) have immortality type 8 because in episode 134 Judai killed a character named Zure, Knight of Dark World by winning a duel against him (duels are lethal in the dark world). So Zure isn't just a monster that was played and killed during a duel by being destroyed: he's a real character who was also a duelist. Later in episode 136, Judai is dueling Brron, Mad King of Dark World (a character who duels, not a monster). During the duel, Brron summons Zure which ressurects him. Judai clearly recognizes that's the same Zure, and as soon as Zure arrives he has Dreadful aura that shows his extreme desire fore revenge. In addition to that, Brron precises once more it's the same zure Judai killed and that he can have his revenge. Which shows that as long as long as their cards exist, whenever someone calls them, monsters can be brought back. This immortality type 8 isn't just physical: even the soul and mind will come back as explained later in part II.

Edit: As suggested by Udlmaster's point in this topic, immortality type 9 will be removed from Yubel's profile.


3) Astral projection and possession. We should precise she can (if she wants) only use a portion of her mind to do her astral projection since her spirit was somewhere else the whole time she possessed Martin. And conversely she only needs a portion of her mind/soul to possess someone.

4) Power bestowal. She can give someone the ability to detect dark emotions which isn't precised yet.

5) Technopathy. Yubel can protect technological items she created from electromagnetism and power cut by making them supernaturally still work despite the lack of electric power or electromagnetic interference (most likely via collected duel energy). indeed, in ep 113 when Among Garam triggered a power cut in the building Yubel was in, all equipment stopped working including light ... except items created by Yubel (her security cameras and her computers, or her "death belts" for example).

6) Regarding Yubel's weakness about the regen I think we should precise that once she has her true body, that weakness is no more since she managed to comeback later once she has her true body after she erased he whole being for fun and therefore, it only concerns her weaker forms.

7) Reinforce her Death manipulation because she has other ways to trigger it to any person from the same universe she's currently in as long as a condition is met (explained later in part II)

8) Her plant manipulation can reduce damage

9) Image showing for reasons mentioned later in part II

10) Precision will be brought regarding Yubel's intangibility since it's not "just" something from her duel monster spirit physiology but something she has even while possessing a human)

11) Precision will be brought regarding Yubel's pocket dimension creation since she made a dimension described by vicitms of it as "hell" where she constantly tortures the souls of some victims




II new abilities I suggest she should have]

New suggestions that didn't convince some users so far will receive a negative score (- 1 for each person who's either not fully convinced or not convinced at all). Only powers with no negative score (which shows they aren't controversial) will be ok for Yubel's update once enough persons will share their thoughts. Should someone mention their support for controversial powers or for the whole update and the score or controversial pwoer will increase by 1.


1) Elemental Manipulation (has fire, air, light, dark, minor water manipulation (used to make some mist), minor electricity (to make machines and technological items she created work) + one other elemental manipulation I'll talk about later so I think she's qualified to have this on her profile)

2) Dimensional Travel (for rather obvious reasons. Though I can always provide the screenshots that show there are 12 dimensions and that quantum theory is used)

Some may argue that it's useless to include it since Yubel already has teleportation but our profile for Odin (marvel comics) precises he has both powers.

3) Unholy Manipulation (reasons: Yubel IS naturally a dark element demon and in addition to that, she showed powers mentioned on the unholy manipulation page: those she possess have enhanced strength as a side effect so she can empowers those she possess, she has thaumaturgy (as Pr Cobra says, Yubel's power can make "miracles" (miracles being something mentioned on the thaumaturgy sub section and what's crazy is that she was in her weak eye form when he said that), she can summon monsters, she can possess people, she has energy manip and elemental manip including her variation of marvel comics' hellfire (it isn't called hellfire in gx, I just used that because those abilities are comparable) that burns souls and minds (+ her "hellfire" also cause the physical death of the body because it's combined with her death manipulation ability which is even more OP than Marvel's hellfire) as explained later.

4) Fire Manipulation and Breath Attack Here we have Yubel breathing fire from her mouths, also since it's a threat (full gallery here) to Rainbow Neos (fusion between rainbow dragon and neos) then it burns souls/minds (due to the nature of duel spirit monsters). Oh yeah before I forget, Yubel uses her desire manipulation to make the target desire to shower in her flames (it is used in combination with her effect that was used outside of a duel. Her effects makes so that that monster wants to attack her and wants to receive Yubel's systematically lethal counterattack (her other effects that kills anyone who attacked her was used in combination with desire manip + flames).

IMPORTANT EDIT: As suggested by Udlmaster who made an interesting point in this thread, this ability will be created on her profile but won't burn minds/souls.

5) Transformation (so obvious we didn't think about it but Yubel's evolutions are transformations)

6) Sand Manipulation (here's the element I talked about earlier. Yubel used the field spell card "house of sand" for real in episode 128 and summoned a huge building made of sand. Yubel also showed she could use the sand stocked in that arena). Sand manip being a sub power of Earth Manip then she has control over one more element

7) Perception Manipulation (when she created an illusion of Cobra's son, it wasn't just visual, Cobra reacted to the illusion's voice as it called him. Also when she trapped Cobra in his own rearranged memory, she not only made him view an entire fake world (while cutting his real perception of the real world) but in addition to that she also created a fake sensation of touch since he could feel Rick's cards in the fake memory. Also, when Sho (Syrus) was about to join Judai and Yubel to the place they duel he sees and talks to Chazz' soul and to the ojamas' who tell him Yubel tortures them (and all other persons who died/were sacrificed in the dark world) and that this place feels like hell (indeed, she forces their senses to feel unpleasant and contradictory things (sensation of extreme heat or sensation of extreme cold for example while there's no real thing that makes them feel that). In addition to that (still while there's nothing that forces them to feel this way), she can render them blind by making them think every think is dark, she can also overload their sense of sight with the sensation everything is too bright). Anyway Manipulating at least 3 of the 5 senses definitely means she has perception manip)

8) Platform Creation (When Yubel made an object made of pure energy it could also be used as a platform)

9) Morality Manipulation Yubel didn't just influence Cobra into having his morality modified so that he wouldn't mind being a killer as long as it'd allow him to reach his goal. But also Professor Kouji Satou (aka Mr Stein) into being a cold-blooded killer as he didn't mind killing Judai despite the latter being one of his student (he also later didn't mind Asuka/Alexis being drowned to death even if she was his favorite student). Also we know it's not just his grudge against Judai but Yubel's power that influenced him into being okay with killing because before his duel against Yubel, his profile on wikia states Judai saw "all people Yubel has wronged" and he was one of them.
NEGATIVE SCORE: - 1 ( Udlmaster disagreed with that power)

10) Emotion detection (Yubel is able to detect negative feelings and emotions and can amplify them to make people her pawns (she did that with Cobra, professor Kouji Satou and also Amon Garam (aka Adrian Gecko), but also with the latter's girlfriend and to an extent to some of Judai's friends)

11) Bubble Manipulation (combination of air and water which reinforces the idea Yubel has elemental manipulation). Yubel can create bubbles and if they engulf someone it forces them to see memories from their past including sealed ones or painful ones the target wishes they were still forgotten. It happened to Judai in ep 153 before the duel against Yubel.

12) Avatar Creation (Yubel has a giant eye avatar in (at the same time she's inside of it) her hell dimension that keeps an eye on victims and constantly tortures (even while she isn't there) them as explained later).

13) Dimensional storage (Yubel used "spell chronicle" to actually store five other cards in another dimension for her to use them later as shown Here.

14) Magic Absorption (considering the properties of "spell chronicle", Yubel absorbs magical energy to recover dimensionally stored cards)

15) Law Manipulation (People who lose a duel in the dark world die, it is an established rule in this dimension. At the moment of the death, the body is desconstructed into countless particles of light. Anyone who is sacrificed or Marked by Yubel's seal that alters emotions to reinforces one specific type of emotion and succumbs to that altered emotion (or that have their seal forcefully extracted from their body) will share the exact same fate. Also in addition to the death of the body and it's deconstruction, minds and souls (it worked on duel monster spirits such as ojama green and ojama black) of victims are then sent and sealed in Yubel's "hell dimension" where they're constantly tortured by a giant eye avatar of Yubel that constantly watch them. The fact all persons who died or were sacrificed in the dark world automatically ended up in this hell dimension created and controlled by Yubel means she's the one who established the dark world rule about duels being lethal, the rule about tributed people or marked people sharing the same fate, the rule about the body being deconstructed, and the rule about minds and souls being separated from the dead body to be trapped in her hell dimension ... all that should mean she has law manipulation that can affect even dimensions/universes she didn't create or that she doesn't originally come from. Also we know Yubel is the one who marked Judai's friends since she reveals it later. She's also the one who gave Brron the set of spell cards to extract their marked seals (off screen but it makes sense since she marked them and Brron knew about that and captured Judai's friends. Not to mention her seals have the exact same form as the painted seals from the wicked runes spell cards) as a part of her plan to make Judai the supreme king and to later gain access to super poly.

Note: Yubel used Johan's body in the dark world dimension to secretely orchestrate events from the shadows (secretely marking Judai's friends or giving spell cards to Brron), his presence was detected by Ojama yellow (as stated on Johan's wikia profile "he later appears as merely a shadow standing on a cliff near Syrus and Ojama Yellow, but it's later confirmed that the shadow was Jesse in Ojama Yellow's flashback where it spots him", and that was before duel against Ryo/Zane (so while Judai was still the supreme king).
It should be also noted Brron failed to make super poly but Judai later completed it as the supreme king by sacrificing hundred of innocents (who logically all ended up in Yubel's hell dimension).
This also reinforces Yubel's death manipuation to universal level
NEGATIVE SCORE: 0 ( Udlmaster disagreed Zencha9 isn't fully convinced but likes the reasonning behind it. But [USER=10637]Shmooply[/USER] is convinced. And [USER=10637]SamanPatou[/USER] is convinced


[debatable] 16) Curse Manipulation Considering what she did to Judai's friend with wicked canon and the set of wicked rune spell cards, that is to say mark them with her seal to have their emotions altered (empathic manipulation is a sub power of mind manipulation, which is an aspect of curse manipulation that is mentioned on our page), and sacrifice them (which results in their physical death which is a form of death manipulation like mentioned on the curse manipulation page) should she (or anyone using wicked canon and wicked runes) take damage as long as the wicked canon is activated. Means she should have access to curse manipulation. If "even" Orochimaru's seal counts as a form of curse manipulation, then surely Yubel should have an access to that ability.
Just like all curses, this one can be broken if you manage to overcome and surpass the altered emotion (full gallery here start wit hthe pic at the bottom (bottom = first pic and top = last pic) https://www.imagebam.com/view/GAYF9


17) Deconstruction Considering the rules she set in the dark world dimension can disintegrate the physical body into countless particles of light if someone loses a duel


[very debatable] 18) Conceptual Manipulation As Yubel explained it later, it is her dream to unite the 12 dimensions into one thanks to super poly. So she conceptualized a card that'd allow her to do that in her head, and made it took a concrete yet blank and powerless form, in order to give that card the power to realize what she conceptualized it needs to be fed with negative energy and by sacrificing people. Sure, Brron tried to get energy to give that card the power conceptualized by Yubel's will and later the supreme king completed it, but the one who initiated the whole intellectual process of conceptualizing a card that could allow her to make her dream come true, who materialized it in the reality, gave a concrete form to that concept and who gave all key cards to Brron to power super poly and initiate her plan was none other than Yubel.
IMPORTANT: I ditched that power.


19) Mental shutdown/stop In a similar way to Charles Xavier in Marvel comics, Yubel can mentally force people to stop and trigger a mental shutdown, a mind-blank that mentally disconnects them from reality

20) Preparation since she can scheme complex plans once she has enough prep time like what happened in the dark world

21) External Damage Reduction and External Pain Reduction (she can summon a special demonic kind of plant that absorbs (and feeds) on pain, assimilating a huge part of damage and pain Yubel should have took to create a number of seeds that is proportional to reduced damage and that will summon more plants. That might seem a bit useless since Yubel can naturally reduce damage to 0 and be unharmed by physical harm while making the one who attacked her feel that pain she should have received. But the fact this damage reduction comes from an external source (not directly herself) is useful against individual power negation.

22) Power Nullification (Yubel prevents the three sacred beats from absorbing other duel monsters spirit monsters' energy from the whole world and totally negate that power by merely passively existing near them and can use them without risk even if she's a duel monster spirit herself)

23) Necromancy (reasons: Yubel can toy with the souls of dead people/monsters (which is one of the aspect mentioned on necromancy's page) at universal scale to force them to go in her hell dimension and torture them

24) Reactive Power level (this is the way duelists and monsters amp each others)

25) Crystal Manipulation (Since she has control over crystal beasts who can turn into crystals/gems instead of dying and can be summoned (or used to activate cards/effects) from their crystal/gems forms)
Edit: ditched after some interesting comments.

26) (Very debatable) Causality Manipulation because of her trap card Rainbow Life that reverses the logical way damage is dealt: with this trap card "all damage you receive" (the cause) will instead provoke the reversed effect: they will heal you (with an equal force to damage you should have received). This lasts for one turn which means it won't protect from just one single attack.
NEGATIVE SCORE: - 0 Zencha9 isn't fully convinced but likes the reasonning behind it. But [USER=10637]Shmooply[/USER] is convinced

27) Healing (rainbow life can heal Yubel and in addition to that even outside of duel cards, Yubel can heal her wounds by absorbing duel energy)

28) Black Hole Creation (one of her monster Chaos Phantasm Armytile can create a black hole with a gravitational force that is strong enough to attract Elemental HERO Chaos Neos)

29) Gravity Manipulation (the black hole necessarily affects gravity within the range of the singularity).

30) (debatable) Photographic Memory (reason: The last new power I'll suggest (power #38) involves image showing of certain events Yubel saw directly or indirectly and she managed to perfectly re-transcript them via her image/hologram projection abilities, even using different "camera angle" as she projected images in question. Which means she has perfect memories of those events.

31) Sense manipulation (due to what she can do with her "perception manipulation" (new power suggestion #7 in the first message) and her illusions (a power she already has on her profile)

32) Magma manipulation (one of her monster Uria made everyone think there was a volcanic eruption when he was the summonned for the very first time by Kagemaru)

33) Ice manipulation (One of her monster Hamon managed to freeze the spells cards used to summon him and created a giant glacier when summoned for the very first time by Kagemaru)

34) Weather manipulation (since the sky went from that to that when a sacred beast (one of her monster) was summoned)

35) Multiple Selves (type 1 and 2: since her spirit was somewhere else the whole time she possessed Martin. And conversely she only needs a portion of her mind/soul to possess someone.)
Edit: replaced by "self soul manipulation" after some comments.

36) Power Mimicry (her Phantom of Chaos can copy the name, physical stats, powers and appearance of another monster)

37) Sleep Manipulation (states she can take someone to a difficult to reach dimension where they'll be forced to sleep forever eternally guarded by Yubel. Judai takes this threat very seriously)

38) External Invulnerability (should Yubel's power be negated, she can still use her trap card demon rose as an external power to reduce any physical damage to 0).

39) ??? (we don't have a specific power except OP ones like cosmic awareness or night omniscience but they're too strong to describe what happened, so that "???" is there to indicate it's the result of several powers combined together)

Also least but not last. In episode 114 we learn something crazy. A hologram of Cobra appears in front of Judai and professor Kouji Satou as they duel. That hologram is supernatural and is Yubel's doing since there is no hologram projector in the room they're in (and even if there was, power was cut so it'd be a creation from Yubel that can still supernaturally works despite power cut). Then in addition to Cobra's hologram, another hologram appears: Asuka's hologram as she is about to drown (once again it's supernatural since there is no hologram projector). And as the teacher asks why Asuka is in danger, Another hologram appears, showing the island of duel academy (that angle isn't something a camera can catch therefore it's supernatural), then as the newest hologram keeps showing stuff, We have a large view of the alley before school (impossible for normal cameras: the angle is way above or high objects that could have cameras), then the "camera angle" of the hologram comes closer to Asuka and her two friends and then it zooms on Asuka (that angle is once again impossible for a real camera unless she was filmed by someone near her which isn't the case here: as we saw earlier nobody was there but her friends). Which means either Yubel has a VERY strong Psychometry combined with a Clairvoyance that both (that combination makes so that Yubel doesn't need physical contact unlike classic psychometry users) allow her to know the whole history (I cannot imagine her scanning memories of people/places one by one until she finds the one memory that'd help her, that'd be too convenient. I think she instantly (or after a very short period of times) gets the whole story of people and places. After all her telepathy allows her to instantly know people's whole lives so it's logical) of the place she's in (here the whole island) AND the one of people who live on it for being able to supernaturally stalk people during past events that happened while she wasn't present: before even her arrival), then she can show holograms of anything she knows/learnt (which is a form of Information Manipulation). Anyway it's really crazy how she can intrude in place's and people's histories to see everything they did and supernaturally stalk them. Also I'll suggest "hologram manipulation" or "image showing" (too bad we do not have a listed power for image showing) since she can project images of things that are in front of her (Cobra), things from current events that she cannot directly see (Asuka about to drown), Things from past event she directly witnessed (we have that on her profile already as she managed to show pics from Amon Garam's loss), and finally past event she didn't even directly or indirectly witnessed.

It may also be a limited form of Chrono vision or a form of Retrocognition

What do you think of it?


Thank you for your participation and for having the patience to read all that!

[note: None of the powers from "powerlisting wikia" will be used on Yubel's profile if she's updated. It's just to illustrate something here on this CRT]
 
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Thanks for your participation. I think conceptual manip will be the most debatable thing. But I can see law manip having a chance of being accepted.
 
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she managed to mentally corrupt Johan's crystal beasts as well as well his rainbow dragon to turn them into darker versions of themself that obey her.
This seems like Corruption, not Mind manipulation.

Mostly given that Judai does actually talk to their minds and gets the scoop on what's going on.
- Finally, all duel monsters (Yubel included ofc) have immortality type 8 because in episode 134 Judai killed a character named Zure, Knight of Dark World by winning a duel against him (duels are lethal in the dark world). So Zure isn't just a monster that was played and killed during a duel by being destroyed: he's a real character who was also a duelist. Later in episode 136, Judai is dueling Brron, Mad King of Dark World (a character who duels, not a monster). During the duel, Brron summons Zure which ressurects him. Judai clearly recognizes that's the same Zure, and as soon as Zure arrives he has Dreadful aura that shows his extreme desire fore revenge. In addition to that, Brron precises once more it's the same zure Judai killed and that he can have his revenge. Which shows that as long as long as their cards exist, whenever someone calls them, monsters can be brought back. This immortality type 8 isn't just physical: even the soul and mind will come back as explained later in part II.
This is just resurrection when he summons him, I have no idea why this would be type 8.

4) Fire Manipulation and Breath Attack Here we have Yubel breathing fire from her mouths, also since it's a threat (full gallery here) to Rainbow Neos (fusion between rainbow dragon and neos) then it burns souls/minds (due to the nature of duel spirit monsters).
Anything with a Higher attack point or special ability is a threat to other Monsters. Considering Yubel - Terror Incarnate destroys the monster that she attacks or is attacked by.

I don't see this burning souls/minds from the evidence provided.

Also we know it's not just his grudge against Judai but Yubel's power that influenced him into being okay with killing because before his duel against Yubel, his profile on wikia states Judai saw "all people Yubel has wronged" and he was one of them.
Yes, it's because Yubel set up the entire events of that and the Dark World arc, if it wasn't for Yubel, he'd never have been put into that situation where he'd be defeated by Judai and then have his Duel energy absorbed.

Considering that his energy went directly into powering up Yubel, it's no wonder, this isn't indicative of affecting his Morality.

(Yubel's true self lies in an unknown dimension, which means the one who originally posessed Martin was an avatar. Yubel's sent an avatar who had to regenerate said true self via duel energy. This explains Yubel's immortality type 9 and that has long as that true self isn't fully anhiliated she can keep sending avatars. Also, Yubel has a giant eye avatar in (at the same time she's inside of it) her hell dimension that keeps an eye on victims and constantly tortures (even while she isn't there) them as explained later).
That was her duel monster spirit that was contained in the Kaiba Corp rocket package, you can see the crashed container. She doesn't have a True Form except for the one she takes when she's fully restored.

Law Manipulation (People who lose a duel in the dark world die, it is an established rule in this dimension. At the moment of the death, the body is desconstructed into countless particles of light. Anyone who is sacrificed or Marked by Yubel's seal that alters emotions to reinforces one specific type of emotion and succumbs to that altered emotion (or that have their seal forcefully extracted from their body) will share the exact same fate. Also in addition to the death of the body and it's deconstruction, minds and souls (it worked on duel monster spirits such as ojama green and ojama black) of victims are then sent and sealed in Yubel's "hell dimension" where they're constantly tortured by a giant eye avatar of Yubel that constantly watch them. The fact all persons who died or were sacrificed in the dark world automatically ended up in this hell dimension created and controlled by Yubel means she's the one who established the dark world rule about duels being lethal, the rule about tributed people or marked people sharing the same fate, the rule about the body being deconstructed, and the rule about minds and souls being separated from the dead body to be trapped in her hell dimension ... all that should mean she has law manipulation that can affect even dimensions/universes she didn't create or that she doesn't originally come from. Also we know Yubel is the one who marked Judai's friends since she reveals it later. She's also the one who gave Brron the set of spell cards to extract their marked seals (off screen but it makes sense since she marked them and Brron knew about that and captured Judai's friends. Not to mention her seals have the exact same form as the painted seals from the wicked runes spell cards) as a part of her plan to make Judai the supreme king and to later gain access to super poly.
None of this is Law Manipulation. We didn't know what happened to people who were "Sent to the Stars", as far as we know, this could literally just be what happens to them when they lose.

18) Conceptual Manipulation As Yubel explained it later, it is her dream to unite the 12 dimensions into one thanks to super poly. So she conceptualized a card that'd allow her to do that in her head, and made it took a concrete yet blank and powerless form, in order to give that card the power to realize what she conceptualized it needs to be fed with negative energy and by sacrificing people. Sure, Brron tried to get energy to give that card the power conceptualized by Yubel's will and later the supreme king completed it, but the one who initiated the whole intellectual process of conceptualizing a card that could allow her to make her dream come true, who materialized it in the reality, gave a concrete form to that concept and who gave all key cards to Brron to power super poly and initiate her plan was none other than Yubel.
None of this is Conceptual Manipulation either.



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My main contention with most of this is that the citations are just still pictures from the Anime, often times without any context or text and this is a major problem with the Yubel profile as is too.

So far, I find nearly everything on the profiles debatable at best and unsubstantiated at worst.

The points I've not directly addressed are either fine or they fall into the "Citations do not show anything"
 
This seems like Corruption, not Mind manipulation.

That makes sense and it still reinforces her corruption ability so it's not a total waste.

This is just resurrection when he summons him, I have no idea why this would be type 8

I personally disagree with that because it's not a power Brron has that resurrects his monsters. Any character who is also a duel monster spirit monster can be brought back to life by any character (even those without super natural powers like pre supreme king Judai). Indeed in episode 134, As Judai duels Zure, Freed sacrifices his life to be transformed into a card. Also at the moment he decided to sacrifice his life, his body is deconstructed into countless particles of light just like those who lose their lives by losing a duel or when Judai's friends were sacrificed to feed super poly (proving there's a clear rule about people being destructed (from losing their life after being defeated by a duel or by being sacrificed) since the way they die is always similar). Anyway Judai brings him back by summoning him and in addition to that, Freed states his "soul was attached to his card". Which shows this is immortality type 8 as the monsters' immortality is bound to an object (here, cards that represents them). Which corresponds to our definition of immortality type 8:

"The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise. What exactly a user is reliant over, the benefits given from it, and how the process of the ability operates must be explained. Simply having some weakness that will kill a character when exploited doesn't qualify if it doesn't grant a form of Immortality, and also having other powers that do grant Immortality but are unrelated to that weakness does not count as well. It is discouraged to list this type if it would be redundant due to the same power already being described in another ability of the profile."

In fact it works like Voldemort's horcruxes a portion of the soul remains as long as cards exist and therefore just like Voldemort cannot die unless horcruxes are destroyed then Monsters cannot die as long as their cards exist.

Though a side note: Freed's card later vanishes with means he sacrificed his whole being and this is explained on his ygo wikia profile: he used ALL his energy to put his card on top of Judai's deck which means him vanishing completely is due to the fact he used probability manipulation.



Anything with a Higher attack point or special ability is a threat to other Monsters. Considering Yubel - Terror Incarnate destroys the monster that she attacks or is attacked by.

I don't see this burning souls/minds from the evidence provided.

That's something I can hear. And even without that burning souls/minds thing the flames are still combined with her killing ability which means they're lethal.

Yes, it's because Yubel set up the entire events of that and the Dark World arc, if it wasn't for Yubel, he'd never have been put into that situation where he'd be defeated by Judai and then have his Duel energy absorbed.

Considering that his energy went directly into powering up Yubel, it's no wonder, this isn't indicative of affecting his Morality.

Well, I disagree with that, isn't detecting dark emotions, make that hate grow to the point an ordinary teacher is willing to MURDER one of his student a form of morality manip from Yubel? If it was just Judai Frankly I'd understand your point but I think the fact this teacher doesn't mind Asuka drowing to death while she was his favorite student 2 minutes ago is a proof there is morality manipulation behind this.


That was her duel monster spirit that was contained in the Kaiba Corp rocket package, you can see the crashed container. She doesn't have a True Form except for the one she takes when she's fully restored.

You're right! How did I not notice the capsule?! In that case when I'll update Yubel's profile I will remove immortality type 9 from her profile. Though what do you think of the giant eye avatar from her hell dimension? Think it's enough for her to have that ability on her profile?



None of this is Law Manipulation. We didn't know what happened to people who were "Sent to the Stars", as far as we know, this could literally just be what happens to them when they lose.

Well actually we HAVE concrete proofs. But I understand where you're coming from with that. You're certainly wondering "hey wait a minute: the only ones we saw are Chazz and two of his Ojama so perhaps that means only those who were sacrificed ended up in that "hell" space".

But in fact there are proofs that show being trapped in Yubel's hell dimension does not only concern people who were sacrificed. Indeed, as she's about to win against Ryo, Yubel states eternal suffering awaits for him and in addition to that she says he'll go to hell, this selection of words isn't random, Yubel referred to her hell dimension. So regardless of the way you die in the dark world, you ARE automatically sent to Yubel's hell dimension.

In addition to that, the fact Ryo (but also all other characters who died from losing a duel and not from being sacrificed like Edo Phoenix and Austin O'Brian) comes back in season 4 proves they were sent to Yubel's hell dimension (which she has full control over) and that she's the one who set this rule about dying and coming to her space after death.

IN FACT we KNOW it works the way I described since in ep 155 (last one of season 3) Yubel touched by Judai's gesture brings back characters (even the ones who were defeated (like Edo Phoenix and Austin O'Brian) and sacrificed (like Asuka, Tyrano Kenzan, Jun/Chazz, Tenjouin Fubuki) in their original dimension because she undid what happened with the hell dimension and released them from their captivity in her space. Also the fact EVERYONE dies the exact same way proves (being deconstructed into particles of light) everyone is sent to that space (once again, how can all people who died by losing duels who do not even involve Yubel (like Edo Phoenix losing to Amon Garam or Austin O'/brian having a tie agaisnt the supreme king) be sent to her hell dimension if a rule wasn't set by her?)

Also talking about that tie, since Austin O'brian died from having his LP reduced to 0 but since neither Judai nor the supreme king's mind (Judai later uses it to battle Yubel during the final duel of season 3) were affected by this, then it shows Yubel's behind this since she can modify the rules she set to prevent certain characters from dying (this is what she did by protecting Judai).

Not to mention that IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT, Misawa Daichi understands how the dark world dimension works and concludes that Yubel is the one who controls it. Now if those are not proofs she set the dying thing (since can undo it at any moment) I don't know what it is.

I think I brought more than enough Proofs Yubel was able to set a rule in this dimension and undo it if she wanted to.





None of this is Conceptual Manipulation either

I agree about conceptual manip: tbh I had very low hopes of it being accepted but I tried.



My main contention with most of this is that the citations are just still pictures from the Anime, often times without any context or text and this is a major problem with the Yubel profile as is too.

So far, I find nearly everything on the profiles debatable at best and unsubstantiated at worst


Can you tell me how I'm supposed to prove Yubel's abilities other than bytaking screenshots from the anime (since there is no manga that shows events with Yubel) and by explaining the context behind things? That's exactly what I did in another CRT and at least 6 different people agreed with me and if the context was confusing to some I always explained to people who asked for it.

I don't want to strew roses at my feet but I worked DOZENS and DOZENS of hours on Yubel's profile, taking hundreads perhaps even one thousand of screenshots. Linking most of them for them to be viewed on her profile to individually explain each power.

And Frankly Yubel's profile is one of the most documented one since almost all her powers are explained with screenshots (I don't see what kind of other proof I can bring: the anime's the only thing that explains events with Yubel). What else can I do? Show even more screenshots? make sentences that explain her powers as well as the context with even more details? I can always do that but I'd like to know what are the points you think that require more details or are questionable.





Even if we disagree on some points I still thank you for your participation because you helped clearing some things about some of Yubel's current capacities (for example I'll remove her immortality type 9) and Yubel's future capacities (for example her fire manip will "only burn and kill the target") by raising a question about those things.
 
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I personally disagree with that because it's not a power Brron has that resurrects his monsters.
Just summoning usually resurrects monsters, or even frees them from whatever imprisonment they're in (See Jessie v Trapper). As you pointed out too, summoning monsters resurrects them, this just seems to be a power that dueling has, as Trapper points out, all duel monsters have power which he could put into his deck.

This seems to be one of the cases that all people who can play the game have Resurrection, which, is fairly obvious.

I can see Type 8 coming from them reviving in another realm entirely, I say this because when Trapper...trapped Duel Monsters and absorbed all their energy from the Monster Plane of existence, they still came back.

Monster spirits seem to be either Deathless or just revive in a Plane of Existence we've never seen.

That's something I can hear. And even without that burning souls/minds thing the flames are still combined with her killing ability which means they're lethal.
I mean, I agree, Yubel - Terror Incarnate can slay Rainbow Neos.

Who, btw, is naturally Superior to Rainbow Dragon who is stated to be the strongest Monster in all history, which obviously, would include the Sacred Beasts and Egyptian God cards, their equals.

So, Yubel is naturally stronger than the Egyptian Gods, especially because possessing them drains the entire world and it's Spiritual power and she's somehow able to totally negate this effect of them passively existing.

All 3 of the Egyptian God cards together however, would be too much for her, considering after fusing with Judai, she says Young Yugi had the greatest Spiritual power.

I think I brought more than enough Proofs Yubel was able to set a rule in this dimension and undo it if she wanted to.
But this doesn't look like she's imposing a Law, it seems more like that she's able to mass manipulate souls, which makes more sense considering everything she does is to do with Souls or Monster Spirits.

And considering she spent half of Season 3/4 draining people of their Duel spirits.

Can you tell me how I'm supposed to prove Yubel's abilities other than bytaking screenshots from the anime
I don't mind having the screenshots with text, but when it's just a picture, it's too hard to make out any context or what's really going on.

Crunchyroll have their Yu-Gi-Oh GX videos on there all the time.

For example, Trapper stats that possessing the Rainbow Dragon, one possesses the single most powerful force in the World. (Here: 18:18)
 
Monster spirits seem to be either Deathless or just revive in a Plane of Existence we've never seen.
actually they do mention that the afterlife is the place where duel monsters revive in
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All 3 of the Egyptian God cards together however, would be too much for her, considering after fusing with Judai, she says Young Yugi had the greatest Spiritual power.
in the scaling thread we concluded that yubel is above the base god cards (because she was able to null the sacred beasts with her spirit energy same thing kaiba did in dsod lol)
but yugi would be stronger than the god card since yugi was stated to have the strongest spirit energy and the cards would scale above that since bonds in yugioh amps the monster and the duelist
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Interesting that they said "The Next World" and not the "Duel Monsters realm" like usual.

Like I said before, I think Type 8 may work based on them resurrecting from "The Next World" even though they've had all their energy taken out of them.

But besides that, I don't see Yubel only having it.
 
yeah bakura refers to the afterlife as the next world
yeah almost every character has it through humans just chill there and do nothing meanwhile monsters can be revived
 
Just summoning usually resurrects monsters, or even frees them from whatever imprisonment they're in (See Jessie v Trapper). As you pointed out too, summoning monsters resurrects them, this just seems to be a power that dueling has, as Trapper points out, all duel monsters have power which he could put into his deck.

This seems to be one of the cases that all people who can play the game have Resurrection, which, is fairly obvious.

I can see Type 8 coming from them reviving in another realm entirely, I say this because when Trapper...trapped Duel Monsters and absorbed all their energy from the Monster Plane of existence, they still came back.

Monster spirits seem to be either Deathless or just revive in a Plane of Existence we've never seen.
actually they do mention that the afterlife is the place where duel monsters revive in
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Interesting that they said "The Next World" and not the "Duel Monsters realm" like usual.

Like I said before, I think Type 8 may work based on them resurrecting from "The Next World" even though they've had all their energy taken out of them.

But besides that, I don't see Yubel only having it.

You're both saying very interesting things so I thank you for your participation! And yeah don't worry Udlmaster: I didn't intend to give it to Yubel only, like I said in a previous post it concerns all monsters (that's the only mentioned power in this CRT that will be shared by all monsters) including her (btw, Zencha might work on something: we have several pages on our wikia that talk about "physiology" (how creatures/beings form specific verses work and powers they all share just by having the same nature like Heartless Physiology page that explains how heartless work), Zencha will work on ygo duel monster physiology page).

And so immortality type 8 is okay then? (for all monsters)



I mean, I agree, Yubel - Terror Incarnate can slay Rainbow Neos.

Who, btw, is naturally Superior to Rainbow Dragon who is stated to be the strongest Monster in all history, which obviously, would include the Sacred Beasts and Egyptian God cards, their equals.

So, Yubel is naturally stronger than the Egyptian Gods, especially because possessing them drains the entire world and it's Spiritual power and she's somehow able to totally negate this effect of them passively existing.

All 3 of the Egyptian God cards together however, would be too much for her, considering after fusing with Judai, she says Young Yugi had the greatest Spiritual power.


Actually, as surprising as it sounds Yubel is stronger than them together even in her base form like Zencha mentioned. That's because of something from episode 127 (around 16 min 20 but the timing will be different in 4kids' version because of censorship) though a side note: I recommend always watching the subbed version because the dubbed version takes a lots of liberties. In episode 127 the dubbed version says the 3 sacred beasts who showed up only have a portion of their powers because "the seal isn't broken yet", while no such thing is mentioned in the subbed version so they were at full power. In fact the dubbed version lies: the seal IS already broken because the 7 pillars that work like seals to restrain their power and that are related to the 7 keys ARE already deactivated as Yubel forcefully mentally lifted them to remove the seal before she even gets underground to get those cards). As for the feat from episode 127, well ... Yubel created an aura that pushed back and overpowered the three Sacred Beasts at the same time while possessing a simple human (so at a state that is weaker than her base form). Yubel's absurdly OP: she can be tier 2 - C even while possessing a human, and even in her base form she later ultra casually possessed Johan's monsters including rainbow dragon.

Also in term of things changed by the dub: in the subbed version everyone knows about sacred beasts (like in ep 43 even than random dude who has nothing to do with duel academy and the antagonists of season 1 KNOWS about the conflict for sacred beasts cards in the subbed version. While he is completely ignorant of that in the dubbed version) which means even random humans are somewhat knowledgeable about those cards.

Also you're really saying something interesting ... about the world energy drain. Do you think it means Yubel should have "Power Nullification" for merely passively existing around those she wants to power negate?

PS: sorry for the low quality of screenshots: the room is plunged into darkness in the episode so it's hard to see a thing.



But this doesn't look like she's imposing a Law, it seems more like that she's able to mass manipulate souls, which makes more sense considering everything she does is to do with Souls or Monster Spirits.

And considering she spent half of Season 3/4 draining people of their Duel spirits.

It may be something she gained once she recovered her real body and finished to absorb energy and thanks to a little prep time. Anyway I understand what you mean but I'd like to know your thoughts about this: how is not law manipulation when she's the one who selects who lives and die and can therefore modify her rule at will?? During the duel between O'brian and the supreme king there was a tie and both duelists' LP reached 0, yet only O'brian disappeared. That could be invalid if the supreme king's spirit died but it didn't: Judai used it during the final duel against Yubel. So ubel changed the rule to spare Judai and all aspects of him while only affecting O'brian for this duel. Which means Yubel's the one who controls how the dark dimension world works like stated by Misawa Daichi who stayed behind to research how this dimension works and understands it. So she's the one who decides who lives or dies with her rule since she manipulates it at will. The reason Judai was protected was simply because Yubel's plan couldn't work without him and also she wanted him to suffer when he'd learn Johan was possessed by her.

I don't mind having the screenshots with text, but when it's just a picture, it's too hard to make out any context or what's really going on.

Crunchyroll have their Yu-Gi-Oh GX videos on there all the time.

And yeah don't worry, I always explain the full context during CRT if people want to know it which means stuff form Yubel's profile has been previously approved by several convinced users.



And so currently (unless you changed your mind) the only thing from this CRT you have problems with is the "law manipulation"? Ah also one precision I'll give regarding Yubel's curse manipulation. I'll precise that if you manage to overcome the altered emotion you can break the curse (full gallery here: https://www.imagebam.com/view/GAYF9) yourself. Note: the first pics are at the bottom and last ones at the top.
 
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iirc it was stated that the other personality got completely erased when o'brian did what he did to spreme king jaden
so i disgaree with using that
 
i have no idea i still think it could be some sort of law manip since duels weren't like that
through like it could be just like uld said and just be soul manip
 
it's pretty hard to determine it. Also apparently it doesn't concern just duels. I checked ep 133 and 134.

A guy was deconstructed (and therefore brought to Yubel's hell dimension) by dying of exhaustion

Also in ep 134 the "fake Johan" (the prisoner that looked a lot like him), was killed outside of a duel by zure and sent to Yubel's hell dimension as well.



I think it's a bit too convenient that dead people are sent to yubel's hell dimension for the dying thing not to be set by her.
Also wait now that I think about it ... Yubel didn't just release the souls from her hell dimension at the end of season 3: she also undid the desconstructiion of the body and the death. What do you think of that?
 
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That law stuff's pretty hard to determine.

Ah also due to what uld said about Yubel's preventing sacred beasts from using their energy draining by merely passively exiting ... do you think it could mean Yubel has power nullification?
 
In fact the dubbed version lies
To be fair, the Sub and Dub actually seem to have slightly different stories.

The most shocking one, is Trapper.

In the Dub, Jesssie knew who Trapper was and what he was up to, while in the Sub he didn't know who he was, only about him.

The Capsules in that episode, the Sub says that Spirits need air from the Spirit world and without that air they die???? but the Dub says that the Capsules drain their energy which goes into Trapper's deck making him more powerful.

Stuff like that. And famously, it lacks a Season 4, which would mean that in the Dub, Jaeden never came back and became one with the Stars and the rest of everything, while in the Sub, there's obviously Season 4.

So, one could argue that Dub and Sub are different stories with their plot differences.
 
And so currently (unless you changed your mind) the only thing from this CRT you have problems with is the "law manipulation"? Ah also one precision I'll give regarding Yubel's curse manipulation
For the CRT, I don't think she has Morality manipulation either, as for the Law manipulation, I don't see anything current which indicates.
 
I edited the first message from this CRT to include power nullification. Also while taking screenshots from the duel against Kagemaru (to justify power nullification) I noticed we should also update two of the sacred beasts: Uria and Hamon by giving Magma manipulation to Uria because his entrance made everyone think there was a volcanic eruption.

And (surprisingly) Ice manipulation to Hamon since he managed to freeze the spells cards used to summon him and create a giant glacier

Finally they should all gain Weather manipulation since the sky went from that to that as the first one was summoned.


Also I suggest more abilities (yeah again ^^) for Yubel:

Necromancy (reasons: Yubel can toy with the souls of dead people/monsters (which is one of the aspect mentioned on necromancy's page) at universal scale to force them to go in her hell dimension and torture them. Also it should be noted this is automatic and she doesn't even need to focus. + as if this wasn't enough her Phantom of Chaos can banish deceased monsters to another dimension to gain their powers and copy their name, physical appearance and stats (which is a form of Power Mimicry)

Statistics Amplification (rather obvious: she can increase her monster's stats)

Crystal Manipulation (Since she has control over crystal beasts who can turn into crystals instead of dying and can be summoned (or used to activate cards/effects) from their crystal forms)

(Very debatable) Causality Manipulation because of her trap card Rainbow Life that reverses the logical way damage is dealt: with this trap card "all damage you receive" (the cause) will instead provoke the reversed effect: they will heal you (with an equal force to damage you should have received). This lasts for one turn which means it won't protect from just one single attack.

Healing (rainbow life can heal Yubel and in addition to that even outside of duel cards, Yubel can heal her wounds by absorbing duel energy)

Black Hole Creation (Chaos Phantasm Armytile can create a black hole with a gravitational that is strong enough to attract Elemental HERO Chaos Neos)

Gravity Manipulation (the black hole necessarily affects gravity within the range of the singularity).

(debatable) Photographic Memory (reason: The last power I suggested in the first message involves image showing of certain events Yubel saw directly or indirectly and she managed to perfectly retranscript them via her image/hologram projection abilities, even using different "camera angle" as she projected images in question. Which means she has perfect memories of those events.

Sense manipulation (due to what she can do with her "perception manipulation" (new power suggestion #7 in the first message) and her illusions (a power she already has on her profile)

(Debatable) Subjective reality remember what I said with the suggest for new power #18? Well what if what I described was in fact "subjective reality" instead of "conceptual manipulation"? since she can create something (super poly) and materialize it in reality while it originally exists only in her imagination.
It'd correspond to our definition of that power's subcategory 4: "Creation/Summoning: The user is capable of creating and manifesting objects and entities that aren't real at all, and only "exist" in the imagination and dreams of the user and/or other beings."



Also I think Judai should gain Social Influencing due to this

What do you think of all that. If you think it's okay I'll add powers you're okay with to the suggested powers (for those who received agreement).
 
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he Capsules in that episode, the Sub says that Spirits need air from the Spirit world and without that air they die????
Wow! I usually stick to the subbed version but wow ... this is plain dumb. Definitely PIS that shouldn't be used.

Stuff like that. And famously, it lacks a Season 4, which would mean that in the Dub, Jaeden never came back and became one with the Stars and the rest of everything, while in the Sub, there's obviously Season 4.
Don't know why they never dubbed that 4th season. It's such a weird choice.

Also now that we talk about drastic change it reminds me of dumb edits 4kids did for one peice. Like Nami's mom being put in jail by Arlong but we never see her again. Guess Nami doesn't want to release her ^^
For the CRT, I don't think she has Morality manipulation either, as for the Law manipulation, I don't see anything current which indicates.
Alright then. So I'll give a negative score to powers who didn't convince users so far. Powers with no negative score will be ok. If someone later is convinced I'll raise the score by one (per person). and ofc if more persons disagree the score will continue to decrease.

Law manipulation: - 2 (2 persons are either not fully convinced or not convinced at all)

Morality manipulation: - 1

I will also edit my first message (to include negative scores so far) so new readers may immediately see which powers are the most controversial suggestions.

Thank you again for your participation! Do not hesitate to message some persons who may be interested to share their thoughts about that CRT.
 
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Phantom of Chaos can banish deceased monsters to another dimension to gain their powers and copy their name, physical appearance and stats (which is a form of Power Mimicry)
That's power mimicry
Statistics Amplification (rather obvious: she can increase her monster's stats)
she should have reactive power level since it's how monsters and duelists amp each other ( i posted the scans above)
Not sure about causality manip
And i am against subjective reality since it doesn't really work the same as how the wiki describes it
 
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That's power mimicry

she should have reactive power level since it's how monsters and duelists amp each other ( i posted the scans above)
Not sure about causality manip
And i am against subjective reality since it doesn't really work the same qlas how the wiki describes it
Than you again for your participation. And ok will add everything (power mimicry reactive power level etc ...) to the list of suggested powers soon, Including the doubtful ability causality manip (but I'll give it a negative score of - 1).

Just wanna add a few things here, It'll also give them Multiple selves;type 1 & 2 as well.
Excellent suggestion! I will add that to the list of suggested powers! Thank you for your participation, I really appreciate that! What do you think of the rest of suggested abilities/powers? (careful: in a very recent message I suggested a few more things and I will update the very first message for it to include those new abilities (don't feel forced to say I'm "okay with that and that and that", you can just give your general point of view about it and say what abilities you may fine doubtful).
 
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I think u should call Zencha9 to answer here
He already gave his opinion about most powers and agrees with all of them except suggested powers #15 and #26 (respectively Law Manipulation and Causality Manipulation): he isn't sure they should be added but at the same time he thinks the reasoning behind them is interesting and doesn't want them to be completely ditched.

Thanks for your intervention, really hope I won't annoy him, I keep asking him to give his opinion. Btw while you're here, do you have an opinion about that CRT? And even if you don't, do you have persons in head I should contact?

So far we have 3 different members who agree with almost all powers (except a few controversial ones who have a negative score)
 
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. Btw while you're here, do you have an opinion about that CRT? And even if you don't, do you have persons in head I should contact?
I agree with most of it, but I am not a yugioh scaler, so, I cant really give further input, and I dont know if there has others yugioh scalers here
 
I agree with most of it, but I am not a yugioh scaler, so, I cant really give further input, and I dont know if there has others yugioh scalers here
Thanks a lot for your opinion. Currently trying to contact those who're listed as supporters on the ygo page we'll see if they reply. Do not hesitate to ask me the full context and numbers of eps. Also if you have doubt about specific powers, do not hesitate to tell it.

Thank you again for giving your opinion, that wall of text certainly isn't the most pleasant thing to read ^^
 
Most of this seems fine to me some more debatable then others but it was an interesting read good work putting everything together.
And yeah there’s so many differences between sub and dubbed Yugioh there more or less their own separate entities in a way.
 
Most of this seems fine to me some more debatable then others but it was an interesting read good work putting everything together.
And yeah there’s so many differences between sub and dubbed Yugioh there more or less their own separate entities in a way.
Thanks a lot for saying that ^^. And yeah you're right, they changed so many things, like if we take gx for example Cobra's son died off screen because of an illness while in the original version he dies on screen (the flashback isn't censored) by being crushed by a vehivule because he wanted to gather his cards that fell on the road (in his rearranged memory Cobra magically gathers his cards in his hand and his son doesn't die).

Don't hesitate to tell us which powers might be problematic for you. And thank you again for taking some time to participate!
 
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