Massive Isekai at Peace Revisions

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ap Revisions​

Low Multiverse level Incomplete Shallow Vernal, Former True Form Kuromueina and Split Body Eden​

• Shallow vernal creates a world that seems like an infinite universe
• Shiro's strategy to beat Kuro consists of creating these worlds and then blowing them up, from another world/dimension
• These worlds contain entire galaxies, and Vernal is bending multiple of them with just a single step
• Kuro destroys several dimensions with her attack

Large Island for Supreme Gods in the Final Arc and those who Scale​

• The Supreme Gods are stated to be 10x stronger than before

Large Country for True Form Megiddo and those who Scale​

• Megiddo destroyed 1/3 of the Demon and harmed Kuromueina
• The Demon Realm is much bigger than a continent

Fate​

Low Multiverse level​

• Posted scans below in the abilities and speed section, essentially she got a power up and reached the same realm as Shiro and Kuro, but she is far inferior, so do we put as being Low Multiverse level, or just Unknown?

Alice​

Large Island level, Varies with Hekatonkheires, Will Eventually Become Low Multiverse level with Ultimate Battle Form​

• The Ultimate Battle Form of Hekatonkheires is something that increases her power infinitely, and she keeps the boost even after she deactivates it
• This means Alice before the final arc of the story is as strong as she was at the beginning of the final arc
• Alice easily dealt with Fate and Chronois, thus she is Large Island level
• Hekatonkheires is an ability that lets her use the abilities of people she has a bond with
• One of those people, has the ability to increase her firepower with every swing of her spear
• Another can increase their fire power hundreds of times, hence why Alice should have Varies with Hekatonkheires
• The Ultimate Battle Form would eventually let her surpass Eden's real body, hence she will eventually become Low Multiverse level

Large Country level, Varies with Hekatonkheires, Low Multiverse level with Kuro's Power, Will Eventually Become Low Multiverse level Ultimate Battle Form,​

• Got so powerful even if all the Gods attacked her, she wouldn't be harmed
• Life, a god is comparable to Megiddo, Alice is far superior to them, hence Large Country level
• Can use Kuro's power, equal to what was used in the past to punch away Shallow Vernal, hence Low Multiverse level with Kuro's power

Neun​

Island level​

• Tanked numerous attacks from a high ranking God, getting stronger and stronger until she was able to harm them
• High Ranking Gods were stated to have been strengthened to the level of some of the 6 Kings. Feats basically show they are Base Megiddo level who is the weakest king as Pandora who is 6 Kings level easily dealt with High Ranking Gods

Laguna​

Island level​

• This one is weird, basically due to seeing how Hikari fights, it somehow made Laguna far more powerful than normal, which let her beat a high ranking god.

Abilities​

Incomplete Shallow Vernal​

• Portal Creation-She can create portals to the whole world
• Time Manipulation- She already has time manipulation, this is just an addition to it, she can reverse the time of the entire world
• Fusionism- Can fuse with Kuro to regain her true power

True Form Kuro​

• Enhanced Probability Manipulation in her True Form- Her power of the prologue, makes the impossible, possible, as the moment she uses her power is the prologue and thus the story can change in anyway she wants, just like the future has infinite possibilities
• Dimensional Travel- Can teleport between dimensions
• Fusionism- Can fuse with Shiro

Alice​

• Sound Manipulation- Can make her voice louder with magic
• Multiple Selves Types 1, 2 and 3- Alice a long time ago took in her friends soul into her body. Said friend now can talk in Alice's mind, and also leave and return to her body
• Resistance to Sealing and Spatial Manipulation- Broke out of Chronois spatial seal
• Resistance to Time Stop- Can move in Chronois time stop
• Resurrection- Can resurrect people she has a bond with and power them up
• Gravity Manipulation/Telekinesis?- Leon's ability which she has lets her crush everything she can see
• Reactive Evolution-Posted in the ap section, ultimate battle form is an ability that gives her infinite growth and evolution, it's how she got resistance to time stop

Anima​

• Body Control and Statistic Amplification- Can force her body to move as she predetermined, bringing her attack power to its theoretical max. Note Kaito has this same ability and using it goes from a normal human to hurting a bear

Chronois​

• Spatial Manipulation and Sealing- Can manipulate space to seal people
• Time Reversal- She already has time manipulation, this is just to add that she can reverse time

Eden​

• Memory Manipulation- Can erase memories
• Reactive Evolution- Her main body, just like Alice, can infinitely evolve and grow
• All Shallow Vernal's Abilities- Both are stated to be almost "omnipotent", not to mention she was able to shapeshift into Shallow Vernal, fooling even Kuro, who is part of the same being as Vernal

Fate​

• Resistance to Existence Erasure- Resisted Shallow Vernal's power which was suppose to erase her from existence
• Statistic Amplification- Made her allies grow to the limit of their talent

Isis Remnant​

• Power Nullification- Can prevent teleportation

Miyama Kaito​

• Supernatural Luck- Shiro's blessing grants him enormous luck that causes miracles to happen out of nowhere
• Immortality Type 8- He already has this, but this is another addition, as long as Shiro exists, he will never die
• Dimensional Travel- Can teleport between worlds

Laguna​

• Reactive Power level and Supernatural Willpower- Already posted the scan above, Laguna got stronger by seeing how Hikari fights and using will power to get stronger

Neun​

• Social Influencing- She gives energy to those who follow her, courage to those who fight with her and hope to those who see her

General Ability Additions​

Low-Godly Regen​

• The Supreme Gods, 6 Kings and beings on their level are immortal, even if their bodies are reduced to nothing they can resurrect themselves by twisting causality or regenerate

Durability Negation and Regeneration Negation​

• This is a continuation of what's said about the characters regeneration, battles on their level involves nullifying regeneration and piecing defenses

Mid-Godly Regen for Gods of Creation​

• Life who merely has Shiro's power can't be permanently killed by Isis. Note Isis can erase people from existence, scan of this is on her profile.

A Bunch of Resistances for Gods of Creation​

• The Gods are wearing Shiro's power like a membrane. These Gods are stated to be resistant to any kind of status effects. Kaito also has this and has resistances to stuff like spatial manipulation, illusions etc. All Gods of Creation will have resistances to basically any sort of status effect.

Type 5 Immortality for Gods of Creation?​

• After taking in Shiro's power, Life is said to have reached the same realm as her and Kuro, and has transcended time, space and life. She was already immortal before so type 5 is all i can think of what transcending life means

Authorities Granted By Shiro​

• This is repeated a bunch of times, the Supreme Gods all have authorities granted by Shiro, and thus more potent than normal abilities of the same type. For example, Chronois time stop is more powerful than a normal time stop, because it was given to her by Shiro

Speed​

FTL for God Tiers​

• Chronois was keeping up with Noel who can move at speed like a flash
• This is clarified to make Noel as fast as light
• Chronois has been stated to before with her time manipulation to be the fastest
• Things to note here, the God of Flash is stated to have a similar ability to Noel, yet Chronois is faster
• Lilia who has the same ability as Chronois can accelerate her time and thus speed by 3x, I was gonna say Base Chronois and thus everyone who scales to her is like Relativistic based on that but that is flawed, since Lilia can only use a limited version of Chronois ability, we don't know how much she can boost herself.
• Thus this would only scale to Chronois and Ein, and people like Shallow Vernal since Chronois said she is faster

Immeasurable for God Tiers?​

• This is probably a stretch, Fate who is on the same level as Shiro and Eden transcended time and space, and thus can alter the past, so Chronois attack which was already in effect, didn't hit from the start
• As shown on Shallow Vernal's profile, she is able to time travel as she sent Aoi back to her original world at the same point in time she left, despite spending years in Shallow Vernal's world
• Again probably a stretch, might just be causality manipulation
• However this again adds to Complete Shiro's nature, as shown in the blog, the moment she shows up is the Epilogue, even if you killed her before she used her abilities, she will still kill you, and you can't run away. Given that the "almost omnipotent" gods can alter the past to make attacks not hit from the start and even time travel, yet this is meaningless to Shiro, does she deserve a full Immeasurable speed, instead of just a possibly?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Seems good, I agree

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

You have to give me a little more than that.

Should Fate scale to Shiro and Kuro, but to a lesser extent?

Is crushing whatever you can see telekinesis or gravity manipulation?

Do the Gods of Creation have type 5 immortality?

And finally is Immeasurable speed legit for all the Gods of Creation, just Complete Shiro and Fused with Shiro Kuro, or none of them?

Those are the only things that need input really, other stuff is clear cut.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Should Fate scale to Shiro and Kuro, but to a lesser extent?

I guess, isnt it stated that Fate reached the same level?

Is crushing whatever you can see telekinesis or gravity manipulation?

honestly it sounds more like gravity manip to me, but if it had more context, it could make the things clear

Do the Gods of Creation have type 5 immortality?

Yes, they are stated to have transcended life, so, the gods arent a thing that its alive, and neither dead, which fits to type 5

And finally is Immeasurable speed legit for all the Gods of Creation, just Complete Shiro and Fused with Shiro Kuro, or none of them?

Yes it is, the immeasurable stuff comes from the realm right? if all gods are on the same level of existence, all of them should have it

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yes Fate reached the same level, but is far inferior, this was described with an analogy of Fate reaching the foot a mountain and Shiro and Kuro, being at the top.

Problem is all is said is that Leon has the ability to crush whatever he sees, we aren't given anything else.

Ok.

All the Gods transcend time, space, and life, and thus can basically retroactively alter the past, ie attacks that already hit, don't hit because they altered the past so it never hit from the beginning.

The Gods and Complete Shallow Vernal are different, you can't run from Vernal and whatever you do is meaningless, the Gods can alter the past, and time travel, yet that would be meaningless against her. Hence i was thinking if the Gods aren't accepted as Immeasurable in speed, Complete Shallow Vernal might be.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Yes Fate reached the same level, but is far inferior, this was described with an analogy of Fate reaching the foot a mountain and Shiro and Kuro, being at the top.

What about a ''possibly'' then?

The Gods and Complete Shallow Vernal are different, you can't run from Vernal and whatever you do is meaningless, the Gods can alter the past, and time travel, yet that would be meaningless against her. Hence i was thinking if the Gods aren't accepted as Immeasurable in speed, Complete Shallow Vernal might be.

Well, I have some thoughts about this, what if Shallow Vernal gets Acausality due being unafected by it? it also can makes sense, even if all gods get Immeasurable speed, it also could be one of the strongest proofs about acausality, since, she isnt affected by Time effects and all

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

If we use concrete numbers, Shiro and Kuro are able to destroy like 3 or more universes, since Kuro destroyed several, Fate is far below that, thinking about it, maybe 2-C is too much, maybe Low 2-C could work? Idk if we can scale like that.

Makes sense i guess, though what kind would it be type 1? Causality Manipulation can affect type 1, it's already been established, that she isn't affected by causality manipulation.

 

[Bernkastelll]

If we use concreate numbers, Shiro and Kuro are able to destroy like 3 or more universes, since Kuro destroyed several, Fate is far below that, thinking about it, maybe 2-C is too much, maybe Low 2-C could work? Idk if we can scale like that.

Well, I dont know if we can scale something like that, despite being far weak, I dont know if a character can be Low 2-C due downscaling of a 2-C

Makes sense i guess, though what kind would it be type 1? Causality Manipulation can affect type 1, it's already been established, that she isn't affected by causality manipulation.

So, it maybe can be Acausality type 4 if she isnt affected by causality manipulation, but maybe it can be just resistance to causality manip? I guess ''likely acausality type 4 should work

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

She is on the same level, but far weaker, so at least i don't think she can be 2-C.

The reason causality manipulation doesn't work is due to her nature, even if she is erased with the law of causality, its meaningless, you would still die, cause as soon as she appears is the epilogue and all stories end, she is the end, you can't escape the end.

Last thread just chalked it up as passive plot manipulation negating it.

That doesn't explain the new stuff i brought up here though, that being the Gods changing the past so attacks never hit from the start, that still wouldn't stop Shallow Vernal from killing them.

 

[Bernkastelll]

She is on the same level, but far weaker, so at least i don't think she can be 2-C.

Does Shiro and Koro have Low 2-C keys? if yes, Fate can be it, if not, Fate can be a ''Possibly 2-C'', and it need to be specified that Fate is far weaker

The reason causality manipulation doesn't work is due to her nature, even if she is erased with the law of causality, its meaningless, you would still die, cause as soon as she appears is the epilogue and all stories end, she is the end, you can't escape the end.

Last thread just chalked it up as passive plot manipulation negating it.

That doesn't explain the new stuff i brought up here though, that being the Gods changing the past so attacks never hit from the start, that still wouldn't stop Shallow Vernal from killing them.

Yeah yeah, it can be Acausality type 1, it could be Acausality type 4 if she didnt needed the plot hax negating it

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Nope Shiro and Kuro are 2-C. I guess for Fate we have to go with Unknown, Possibly 2-C.

I forgot do we still give universe creators reality warping for creating universes? Though regardless Shiro has multiple feats which showcase it:

• Reshaping the Earth with a wave of her finger
• Making night fall in a realm which doesn't have night
• Split the ocean in half and then returned it to the way it was before, as if nothing happened to it

 

[Bernkastelll]

Nope Shiro and Kuro are 2-C. I guess for Fate we have to go with Unknown, Possibly 2-C.

Seems good!

I forgot do we still give universe creators reality warping for creating universes? Though regardless Shiro has multiple feats which showcase it:

• Reshaping the Earth with a wave of her finger
• Making night fall in a realm which doesn't have night
• Split the ocean in half and then returned it to the way it was before, as if nothing happened to it

Yeah yeah, usually, creating universes would be just Creation, but the fact that they can reshape things in their will as shown in the scans is a good proof of reality warping

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

These are looking good

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Just waiting for someone to come and object to Immeasurable speed, it's bound to happen.

 

[Dereck03]

Just waiting for someone to come and object to Immeasurable speed, it's bound to happen.

I don't think anyone should object against Immeasurable, if it's a solid speed feat imo. Also agree... I've been reading the novels for not long and I find them good improvements. I may also have spoiled a few things by reading the CRT but it doesn't matter.

 

[Helestias]

Just waiting for someone to come and object to Immeasurable speed, it's bound to happen.

Lmfao,well the scans look good though,i just started the series,so this whole crt is just a spoiler to me.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Re-looking at the Prologue, looks more like plot manipulation than probability, or maybe both.

It makes the impossible possible by making the moment she uses it the prologue and thus the story can change in any way she wants, just like the future has infinite possibilities.

This ability is in direct opposition to the Epilogue which ends all stories.

Though even the Prologue is inferior to the Epilogue, because nobody can resist their end, no matter what means they use, no matter what abilities they have. This ability really is the personification of lol nope, and i am inevitable.

 

[Bernkastelll]

it seems like Fate Manip and Plot Manip

 

[Helestias]

Though even the Prologue is inferior to the Epilogue, because nobody can resist their end, no matter what means they use, no matter what abilities they have. This ability really is the personification of lol nope, and i am inevitable

It does looks like plot
But i don't know much,the verse is quite overpowered

 

[Dereck03]

the verse is quite overpowered

Exactly... to be an "Isekai at Peace".

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Bernkastelll Well the essence of the ability is generating possibilities, i think that's more probability than fate, could be wrong though.

If Immeasurable is accepted, Alice would also get "Will eventually become Immeasurable" which is just crazy.

Just remembered, Kuro's power is said to be nothingness itself, so Alice should get Void Manipulation too.

 

[Worthless]

I pretty much agree with all of this. Except for immeasurable and fateeee. I'm neutral on that two, atm. The fate one sounds, just an exaggeration.

 

[Dereck03]

Why neutral?? At least explain

 

[Worthless]

Why neutral?? At least explain

Look's hella Causality manipulation

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually, I'm not sure about Immeasurable speed; the justification for it sounds super vague imo.

 

[Ace]

So base on the page she's describe as the reader:

"If a world is described as a book, then Shallow Vernal is a being…… no, the phenomenon that can close it"

I don't think you could avoid being close in the story, just by altering the past. it seems her true nature doing those stuff, looking at everyone as a fiction and closing their story like a page, even if you travel back in the past she just end, closed their story. Seems more like an Acausality than an immeasurable if causality doesn't work to her power.

I also agree with everything else except for the immeasurable speed.

 

[Worthless]

So base on the page she's describe as the reader:

I don't think you could avoid being close in the story, just by altering the past. it seems her true nature doing those stuff, looking at everyone as a fiction and closing their story like a page, even if you travel back in the past she just end, closed their story. Seems more like an Acausality than an immeasurable if causality doesn't work to her power.

That's how yogiri get his immeasurable speed rating by killing a being that can control causality and can do time travel, so things never hit from the beginning and yet still ended up being dead, her power is just beyond than that.

Also i agree with fate being unknown to possibly low 2-C rating FRA, but disagree with the other thing, treating it as an immeasurable speed. HRE, Pandora and GER do the same thing but only ended up being causality manipulation

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Immeasurable was a long shot for anyone except Shiro and Kuro anyway.

As for them, The Epilogue is something that nobody nor nothing can resist, no matter what means they use, or ability, whether this is due to closing the story or not, think the end result is the same, even if you ran to the beginning of time, or destroyed Shiro and Kuro before they used The Epilogue, it still wouldn't matter.

Speaking of not being able to escape the end, evident from Eden's main body being terrified of Shiro when she showed up in her world, Shiro can kill people with mid-godly regen, so another thing to add.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Bump.

 

[Ren1999]

Bump

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Bump.

Only thing that's in contention here is Immeasurable speed, but nobody else is showing up.

 

[Helestias]

Lol, just edit the stuff other than immesurable.or just mention all the staffs for their agreement or disagreement

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Guess you're right, will edit the accepted stuff in the meantime.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

All the accepted changes are applied now i think, only thing left is Immeasurable speed.

Guess i will create the new character profiles in the meantime.

 

[Helestias]

That would be great.Will you close this thread or keep it?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The discussion about Immeasurable speed needs to happen before its closed.

Though maybe i should close this one and make another on just that alone, maybe people will notice it that way.

 

[Everything12]

My opinion is, of the stuff I've read in the opening post, this stuff all seems more like Causality Manipulation than Immeasurable speed. They seem more like abilities that affect the past rather than movement that moves across the Temporal-axis with ease.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Technically each "world" has it's own temporal axis, and Shiro is still able to harm Eden's main body in another one, though that's just range i guess.

Speaking of that Eden's dimension is said to be outside logic, with the concept of sound not even existing there, does that give anything to either of them?

For me with Shallow Vernal, i think it gets murky where exactly the line is between Causality Manipulation and Immeasurable speed, cause the answer in verse to can Shallow Vernal do that will be yes, the ability is a big NLF.

That said if it doesn't have the feats currently, it just doesn't, we have to list what's accurate currently.

 

[Everything12]

Yeah, that would just be range. Interacting with the different Temporal Axis of other worlds isn't evidence for Immeasurable at all.

Outside of Logic doesn't mean much on its own. Is it only the Concept of Sound that it's described as not having, or are other Concepts mentioned as not being there as well?

Personally, I think just Shallow Vernal stuff on its own is not enough evidence for Immeasurable, having multiple pieces of evidence is generally required for something as big as Immeasurable when Causality Manipulation can just as easily be an explanation for it.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Just logic and sound

A different dimension outside the logic of the world, where not even the concept of sound exists. In that place, there was Eden, the god that was referred to as Earth God in the other world.

She has a beautiful figure that can be described as art, and 20 wings that give off a majestic atmosphere. With the dignity of a god standing at the top of the world, Eden was thinking with a serious expression on her face.-Chapter 534

If Transcendent Gods can alter the past to make attacks not hit, but that is meaningless against Vernal, is it acausality as someone else above said, or just like greater causality manipulation?

As for her speed, it would be Unknown for now then, she will just have passive plot manipulation that extends not only into other space-time continuums, but the past as well, as there is no escaping it even for beings that can alter the past, time travel, or hop across different universes.