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MASSIVE Code Lyoko Revisions

ProfessorKukui4Life

ProfessorKukui4Life

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Im not sure if this was forgotten, or just simply overlooked, but I thought it should be mentioned that, not only should possessed William Dunbar have his own profile, but he, X.A.N.A and likely others who have accurately matched their power should get a massive upgrade due to a feat William did at the end of season 3

At the end of S3 ,Willaim (while possessed by X.A.N.A) was able to casually solo the Lyoko warriors by himself with ease and then, more impressively, manages to attack the Core of Lyoko in Sector 5. The core being disrupted by Willaim's power releases massive energy that causes all of Lyoko to be completely destroyed, resulting in Lyoko no longer existing. And even after it's destroyed to nothing, Willaim still exists, becoming even stronger, without a scratch on him which proves he had no trouble surviving the explosion, massive release in energy, and/or eve the total destruction of Lyoko. With that in mind, this should very likely be a universe destroying feat and Lyoko has been constantly refered to as a "virtual universe".

And before anyone says "then why havent we seen anything remotely close to this earlier in the show?", we have indeed only not to this degree. Aelita did a similar feat of pocket world destruction (though its likely through hax abilities and not AP) back in S1 . She has also done a similar feat to this in S4 episode "Lost at Sea" but these are different topics to debate on. Point is, William while possessed by X.A.N.A should get upgraded to probably high 3-A or a bit lower, if a profile for him can be made, through this feat. And so should X.A.N.A who's far stronger and can consistently possess Willaim even without a tower and other reasons. This should also upgrade anyone who has acccurately shown to be able to rival Xana possessed willaim too if no issues pop up.

So, is this a go or no?
 
This would be a pretty massive upgrade. Considering that this is more of a feat for X.A.N.A. rather than William (though this can be on Williams future profile as "X.A.N.A. possessed as a key), I don't see anything wrong with it.

And here I thought Code Lyoko capped at like City level.
 
Darkanine said:
This would be a pretty massive upgrade. Considering that this is more of a feat for X.A.N.A. rather than William (though this can be on Williams future profile as "X.A.N.A. possessed as a key), I don't see anything wrong with it.
And here I thought Code Lyoko capped at like City level.
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Hmm maybe a bit more than that. But that's usually in terms of the real world where that would obciously never happe

In the virtual world however its a completely different story. X.A.N.A might possibly be multi-universe level since he's created 100s of different virtual worlds that are copies of Lyoko after obtaining Aelita's memory. But thats a completely different topic

Anyways xD, yea it would only apply to William when under X.A.N.A's control. His normal self is unbelievebly lower than this. Probably like equal to or greater than Ulrich's current rating.
 
@Darkanine I just realized shouldnt X.A.N.A himself also get a profile too? On the page for Code Lyoko it rates X.A.N.A as the verse's god tier along with Franz Hopper and it makes no sense that a god tier of the verse with crazy amount of feats from the verse doesnt have a profile of his own, i mean, now that I noticed it xD.
 
Anyway, this is only 3-A since Lyoko is one universe and nothing suggests it to be 2-c or something like that.

It would only apply to XANA. XANA Possessed William IMO should be High 8-C along with S4 Onwards Lyoko warriors for how far and superior they are to S1 Lyoko Warriors.

Aelita should be the same, higher via hax
 
Not infinitely higher.

I say XANA should be 3-A, but not William or any other character. He was actually lost in the explosion, but XANA revived him and increased his power. He should be Tier 8, more or less. Plus it seemed like it was Lyoko's core exploding from the attack rather than William's attack.

IMO it should be

XANA: 7-B IRL, 3-A in virtual world

William and S4 LW's: High 8-c for just how vastly they are then S3 LW's

Other Monsters: Stronger monsters such as Megatank or Taratula should scale a bit, weaker ones shouldn't.
 
Even if this feat was William's doing (which it wasn't), it'd be a HUGE outlier. We'd be better off scaling something like Ulrich killing the Kollosus or holding back Tower-Collapsing attacks (can someone calculate their size?)
 
Wait what? When did it confirm William was destroyed? To me it seems William didnt just survive the explosion, he actually absorbed the energy into himself to gain his new Xana-fied form. But i can be wrong on that part.

That said, even though Xana was controlling him, I don't remember any implication that Xana revived William at all. It just seems William survived the whole explosion.
 
That makes too many assumptions.

They said William was lost with Lyoko.


This seems like an outlier that really can only apply to XANA, anyway.
 
Good point. But to be fair this isnt the first time we've seen world's being destroyed in Lyoko.

Aelita did so twice in the series. Like in the episode Ghost Channel from S1. X.A.N.A creaed a pocket world that almost completely matched the real world, making it able to fool Ulrich, Odd and Yumi into thinking it was reality. From what Aelita told Jeremy, it was called a special kind of parallel world to lyoko known as an "Intermidiate Space". Aelita was capable of destroying it easily to get them out of that world. But it could be hax since Aelita likely did it with her Digitial Power, not her actual AP.

Your right on the outlier part but it could just be an overdose of PIS. Half the time in the series William has shown to be blatently superior to the Lyoko warriors while only losing when the Plot Demands it. For Example: Odd is shown to really be much weaker than Xana-fied William, yet in one episode Odd was able to beat William in a single hit after losing a lot of life points and strength from beating other monsters. And the episode was basically about Odd to begin with.
 
That is due to hax.

Odd is a bit inconsistent. Canonically Ulrich has been stated to be superior and has shown to be Odd's superior at times. Odd's tactics are unpredictable however which causes XANA no end of trouble.

Either way the feat cannot be applied to any character other than XANA, Franz Hopper and maybe The Core Of Lyoko (As in, "3-A via exploding")
 
BruceTheBatman said:
Odd is a bit inconsistent. Canonically Ulrich has been stated to be superior and has shown to be Odd's superior at times. Odd's tactics are unpredictable however which causes XANA no end of trouble.

Either way the feat cannot be applied to any character other than XANA, Franz Hopper and maybe The Core Of Lyoko (As in, "3-A via exploding")
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Fair enough. But there's still something that doesnt make sense to me here. if we accept XANA as tier 3, then why shouldnt his victims who he possesses be that strong as well? After all, we're insisting XANA can give power and strength to the ones he controls so would it not make any sense for him to give them the same amount of power he has himself?
 
BruceTheBatman said:
No, XANA has shown to be far more powerful than those he possessed.
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True. But would it still be possible for XANA to give his possessed victims, like, let's say 5-B power in the virtual world due to being 3-A in the same setting? Or IRL he gives them Town level AP for being City Level himself?
 
Not even. That's too much of an assumption. That being said he and S4 Lyoko warriors should be far above S1 Lyoko Warriors so they should be High 8-C. Jeremy even upgraded their equipment vastly throughout the series.
 
BruceTheBatman said:
Not even. That's too much of an assumption.
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I guess, but then where is the "he can give power to his possessed victims" statement coming from? If its not true then nvm but if it is, then I dont see why XANA cant just give them any level of power that's under his.
 
XANA possessed various people IRL and they were superhuman. And Aelita was capable of overwhelming Ulrich when he possessed her.
 
BruceTheBatman said:
XANA possessed various people IRL and they were superhuman. And Aelita was capable of overwhelming Ulrich when he possessed her.
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That's my point. If he can possess them then why can't he just give them any level of power he wants to as long as it doesnt exceed his own? He's done it before right?

Also for the Aelita possessing statement, he actually didnt possess her he just controlled her mind. All the Lyoko warriors were given an immunity to XANA's possessing via virtualization on Lyoko, even Jeremy has it now. Its explained in the episode Mr. Puck. They are immune to possessing from XANA but not mind control.
 
No. That is a blind assumption. XANA can only break physics to a certain point IRL and he can't destroy the Lyoko world outright without destroying a block anyway, sooo.
 
BruceTheBatman said:
No. That is a blind assumption. XANA can only break physics to a certain point IRL and he can't destroy the Lyoko world outright without destroying a block anyway, sooo.
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Can you clarify this more please? And this actually isnt completely true, XANA has mutiple ways of destroying Lyoko he just hasnt done it up until S3 because he needed it to remain for him to steal Aelita's memory, as well as attack the real world, and since he has no true form it's more difficult for him to outright destroy it. I mean he even has a Code that allows him to erase entire sectors....but since he doesnt have a true form its not possible for him to imput them into the way towers.
 
Well yeah, but that always was by activated a code and through indirect attacks, never through an explosion coming from XANA or William himself.
 
BruceTheBatman said:
Well yeah, but that always was by activated a code and through indirect attacks, never through an explosion coming from XANA or William himself.
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William i get (unless XANA boosts his power) but for XANA, it might be hard to do that. XANA has no real form or even a virtual incarnation of himself he's just.....there. All the monsters and beings that work for him are likely only parts of XANA. It would seem kind of strange for a formless being to just conjure up an explosion against the entire virtual world. To be perfectly honest XANA might have been able to destroy Lyoko at any time he wanted but he didnt because of certain limits and reasons that would effect him. Like in S1, he needed Lyoko to stay so he could attack from within the SC and keep himself alive. Same thing in S2, plus steal Aelita's memory. S3 he was bent on destroying the sectors since he left the SC but he needed Aelita to do it via mind control since he doesnt have a form that allows him to go into towers, and S4 he needed Lyoko alive to get Franz Hopper to come out of hiding and destroy him. Plus since Jeremy and Aelita were capable of reprogramming Lyoko with FH help, it mightve made destroying Lyoko again and again pointless.

But this is derailing so to stay on topic, yea I agree now Only XANA gets this. William gets the rating you said he'd get. But could we also rate it as "High 8-C, likely much higher with Xana boost" Since XANA can make him stronger?
 
Perfectly fine with that.

Now that William's taken care of, I have 2 more things i'd like to discuss

First, concerning XANA's rating, i believe XANA in the virtual world should be rated as 2-C. The reason im suggesting this rating is because of this .

It was revealed in S4 that XANA had the power to go beyond just creating Ghost Channel pocket worlds and create different actual virtual universes, copies of Lyoko after stealing Aelita's memory. Each Replika made up one sector that equaled the full size of the original Lyoko universe. And it was revealed later in the season that XANA had created 100's of different replika's, each powered by their own supercomputer, making it far too difficult to destroy them all. Although this isnt an exact number, hundreds of different virtual universes that are replications to Lyoko should make XANA multi-universe level when in the virtual world.

Finally, my other thing concerns Aelita. Should Aelita get an upgrade due to her ability to destroy XANA's pocket worlds with her hax? His pocket worlds are at least the size of Kaguya Otsutsuki's dimensions since you can see a sun and a moon in them, and, since they were specifically designed to match real life, there's no reason to not assume it wasnt at least earth sized.
 
Lyoko has never been shown as a universe. It's been shown as a planet via statements of "world" and has been shown to be like 4 terrains, indicating it's planet sized.

The pocket dimensions are still connected to Lyoko and therefore share the same "sun" since Aelita can see into them as they're transparent.
 
BruceTheBatman said:
Lyoko has never been shown as a universe. It's been shown as a planet via statements of "world" and has been shown to be like 4 terrains, indicating it's planet sized.
The pocket dimensions are still connected to Lyoko and therefore share the same "sun" since Aelita can see into them as they're transparent.
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Yes but Lyoko has also been stated to be a "universe" as well in series. Jeremy and Aelita even explained this to Sissi in one episode. Plus to be fair, "world" and "universe" can mean the same thing unless they are extremely definied as different. For example, Sissi was told it was a "Virtual Universe" and then later on right after she calls it "virtual world". Given this mix up, its highly implied they treat "world" and "universe as the same thing as they've never specifically refered to Lyoko as "planet-like" or anything similar.

Also the pocket dimensions werent connected to Lyoko, they were parallel to it. Aelita and Jeremy admitted this. It was a totally separate world to Lyoko, which would explain why Ulrich Odd and Yumi didnt notice a thing wrong with it at first and couldnt use their Lyoko powers in that world either. It followed the same laws, physics, and concepts as real life.
 
It was never stated to be a universe ever. I have watched every episode several times and never heard this.

And the size of the Lyoko world from the supercomputer implies it's more in the planetary range.
 
8:11 Here

William refers to Lyoko as a virtual universe based off of Aelita, Jeremy and Odd's explanation to him.

7:47 Here

Sissi also refers to Lyoko as a virtual universe based off what Aelita and Jeremy explained to her as well.

4:31 Here

In the XANA Awakens Part 1 special, which tells the story on how they became the Lyoko warriors and disovered Aelita Lyoko and XANA, Aelita while still trapped in the Super Computer straight up calls Lyoko a virtual universe literally after waking up. And later on around 11:15, when Jeremy introduces Ulrich to the Super Computer, he again calls it a "virtual universe". I can keep going with more examples, if you want me too, but I feel this should be enough

They've constantly refered Lyoko to as an entire universe in virtual form and considering Jeremy didnt get surprised by Aelita calling it that, but got surprised by the discovery of "An entire world", it should be obvious now that they treat the words "World" and "Universe" as the same thing in the verse, considering they call Lyoko as either at different times. And since both can mean the same thing for any verse in general, that should support it even more.
 
Wording is a bit odd. Imagine if you were confronted with this info.

They've also refered to it as a world.


Again, there are no showings that it's universe-sized, like in Digimon or Mega Man Battle Network for example. This is the same thing I say about SAO wankers saying Heathcliff is universal.


Even so it only applies to XANA regardless.
 
BruceTheBatman said:
Wording is a bit odd. Imagine if you were confronted with this info.
They've also refered to it as a world.


Again, there are no showings that it's universe-sized, like in Digimon or Mega Man Battle Network for example. This is the same thing I say about SAO wankers saying Heathcliff is universal.


Even so it only applies to XANA regardless.
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...........what? Ive honestly NEVER seen SAO wankers say THAT before. My god. They really said that?

Anyways, maybe but again, world and universe are usually refered to being the same thing in fiction, plus these statements are coming from Aelita and Jeremy of all people who understand Lyoko pretty well. I mean Aelita has lived on Lyoko for her entire life until Jeremy found her and she used to be a form of artificial intelligence who protects Lyoko. It's not really surprising that she knows all about it.

And yea I know X.A.N.A would only apply to this, i was arguing this for him anyways xD
 
Dude, I've seen people put Asuna above MegaMan.EXE, for god ******* sake.

Not really. World = Planet more often than not.

Alright, I am cool with that. XANA most certainly isn't 2-C still tho since he can't create more space-time.
 
BruceTheBatman said:
Dude, I've seen people put Asuna above MegaMan.EXE, for god ******* sake.
Not really. World = Planet more often than not.

Alright, I am cool with that. XANA most certainly isn't 2-C still tho since he can't create more space-time.
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.........I think im gonna get a headache now for the rest of the night with that. I dont even remotely see how thats remotely possible.

You sure? Most people i've argued with here say World = Universe most of the time unless specified.

Well, for intents and purposes, let's agree for a sec that Lyoko IS a universe. If XANA created more replikas of lyoko, meaning more virtual universes, wouldnt that count as 2-C? Or is it because they arent separate space-times that make it, like, high 3-A?
 
Kk thought so. Well if its not an issue, we could always just put for X.A.N.A "3-A in the virtual world" for giving William some of his power to destroy Lyoko and then "At least 3-A, possibly higher in the virtual world" for creating hundreds of different Replika's of Lyoko.

Btw, concerning the Aelita statement, I agree its better to leave her as unknown for now, if we can get a profile up for her as well.
 
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