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Massive Bravely Series Revisions

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I was talking to an admin about this due to a debate I made, and I came to a few conclusions in the back of my head.

So I went digging and turns out, we are lowballing the verse.

Okay, so I am going to start with Bravely Default and the less controversial upgrades

Ouroboros, the final villain described Airy linking a myriad of 'worlds' which in the game includes timelines, since she 'linked' the game through other players via the wifi service.

Even setting this aside, Airy herself defeated the party countless times as described here by Ouroboros as she gathered the strength needed for him to breach the realm.

https://youtu.be/7zVVUFhw2vg?t=661

Considering Ouroboros had to 'break' into the celestial realm, where as he can devour countless worlds in the BS multiverse, we can assume it is a higher dimensional plane.

In Second, through your efforts, you can break into it

Altair has described it as a dimensional fluctuation, and since this is the same chasm that Airy used to travel into different worlds, it is probably formless, tied directly to time and space

https://youtu.be/se_eiqAdL_o?t=1018

Also something to note, that this 'chasm' is used to break into

https://youtu.be/DZzG9b50oYs?t=13

I am linking Neil here to show that he himself as a theoritical physics man says that what 'links' a possible a multiverse is a higher dimension.

So everything seems accurate so far, both scientifically and canonically


My propostion

Ouroboros gets changed to At Least 2-B, Likely High 2-A (Immensely more powerful then Airy, who linked a myriad of worlds. Also stated himself to have the power to lnvade the Celestial Realm) we can assume that this is the amount of copies sold or even the archaic defintinion which is 10,000, already in the realm of 2-B.

Speed: At Least Massively FTL+, Likely Immesurable (Devoured an entire realm in seconds)

Party Members: 5-A to High 2-A (Defeated Ouroboros with the help of Lester, can borrow powers from themselves)

Speed: At Least Massively FTL+, Possibly Immeasurable

If we make a second key for them for bravely second

Party Members: High 2-A (Defeated Providence, who is in a higher dimensional plane)

Speed: immeasurable

Providence: High 2-A (Is in a higher dimension then the bravely default multiverse)

Speed: immeasurable

There is more I want to change about the verse, but these are the big changes I wanted to get through right now)
 
If at all possible, could you provide timestamps for the linked videos? It would make analyzing this a lot easier.

I'm not 100% sure if we should scale Airy, given that she used the heroes to bridge these worlds in the first place, but it would make sense given that they fight Ouroboros immediately afterward.

There are also multiple statements of the characters emotions, thoughts, and beliefs transcending time and space, but these are likely just flowery language.
 
Reppuzan said:
If at all possible, could you provide timestamps for the linked videos? It would make analyzing this a lot easier.
I'm not 100% sure if we should scale Airy, given that she used the heroes to bridge these worlds in the first place, but it would make sense given that they fight Ouroboros immediately afterward.

There are also multiple statements of the characters emotions, thoughts, and beliefs transcending time and space, but these are likely just flowery language.
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didnt know you were here but on it.

I just now figured how to do the direct link at time stamp.
 
this sounds at least 2-B, given what is stated. However I am not sure on it being higher dimensional, I know little about Bravely series, but this is definitely 2-B at least, maybe high 2-A if you are correct.
 
FanofRPGs said:
this sounds at least 2-B, given what is stated. However I am not sure on it being higher dimensional, I know little about Bravely series, but this is definitely 2-B at least, maybe high 2-A if you are correct.
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Properly changed with timestamps

Honestly, I will let the community decide and where is everyone placed tbh

But I do think the 2-C rating is low.
 
I suppose that "At least 2-B, possibly High 2-A" may be reasonable, as long as it is clarified that the celestial realm seems to be higher-dimensional.

However, we have changed our standards for immeasurable speed, so being spatially higher-dimensional or moving in a timeless void no longer qualifies characters.
 
Antvasima said:
I suppose that "At least 2-B, possibly High 2-A" may be reasonable, as long as it is clarified that the celestial realm seems to be higher-dimensional.

However, we have changed our standards for immeasurable speed, so being spatially higher-dimensional or moving in a timeless void no longer qualifies characters.
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I do think, this is fine for Ouroboros For Providence, the Likely Prefix should apply Only because there is more evidence that he is higher dimensional.

Ouroboros, First Game Party At Least 2-B, Possibly High 2-A Providence At Least 2-B, Likely/Possibly High 2-A

Is that fine with everyone?
 
Also want to add at least massively ftl, likely higher for all god tiers is needed Since Ouroboros did his realm consumptin feat so casually.
 
"At least MFTL+" is seldom an option, given that a character would need infinite speed to transcend the category.
 
Antvasima said:
"At least MFTL+" is seldom an option, given that a character would need infinite speed to transcend the category.
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I see, well I would like at least clarification on their speed I believe devouring a physical universe would be at least in the billions of times faster then light.
 
That is still MFTL+ though.
 
Antvasima said:
That is still MFTL+ though.
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I know, I just wanted to put that on the profile o_O. Since as far as I know, the justification for all the speeds are fairly short. But are you all fine with my previous suggestion?

Aka: At Least 2-B, Possibly High 2-A party and ouroboros game 1 At Least 2-B, Likely High 2-A party game 2
 
I would prefer to see what Reppuzan, The real cal howard, or community members familiar with this franchise, think first.
 
I agree with MFTL+ Speed, But yeah, let's wait for Cal to respond to his thought on the High 2-A rating. Reppuzan I think approved of it.
 
Hmm...

In hindsight, my original argument for High 2-A Bravely Default was my assumption that the player was above Providence.

However, since learning that Providence and the Player inhabit the same level of existence, 2-B is likely the much safer rating to use in the end.
 
I am part of the camp somewhat now that possibly is maybe better. I dont think it is just something we can 'forget' But the game does joke around with this, it is not quite meta fiction but it does parody itself.

Providence gets a likely rating for me though considering he is higher dimensional Party and Ouroboros are more sketchy, I admit. Maybe Tiz is an exception cuz his body had a celestial inhabit him both games? So he might scale to a likely High 2-A rating. Everyone else, not so much.

At least I think so. I want to hear more thoughts from the community before I decide. Although I am less on the side of definite High 2-A compared to when I made this post tbh.
 
Well, Ouroboros tried to breach the barrier into the Celestial Realm by consuming the power of countless realities, while the heroes succeeded with the help of Altair and everyone's prayers.

Since Providence inhabits the Celestial Realm, the High 2-A rating might be justifiable, but 2-B is definitely the more concrete rating through scaling from Ouroboros.
 
Reppuzan said:
Well, Ouroboros tried to breach the barrier into the Celestial Realm by consuming the power of countless realities, while the heroes succeeded with the help of Altair and everyone's prayers.

Since Providence inhabits the Celestial Realm, the High 2-A rating might be justifiable, but 2-B is definitely the more concrete rating through scaling from Ouroboros.
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Basically agree.

The only other party member who will get this rating for sure, is Tiz. As stated above why I think so. Although At Least 2-B is necessary Possibly higher for ouroboros And Likely High 2-A for Providence and Tiz.
 
Well, it's not just Tiz for fighting Providence. Magnolia, Edea, and Yew do it too. It's not fair to only scale Tiz when they all have the feat.
 
Maybe. I am tired and sick so my brain is somewhat illogical. I will come back to this when I am not as fatigued and sick.

But I will wait until everyone else who has played the games can confirm or deny the scaling. More opinions are needed.
 
@Reppuzan Would "At least 2-B" be more appropriate?
 
@Ant

Sorry for the late response, but At least 2-B would probably be the safest rating for the time being.
 
Alright, I will make the revisions with

"At Least 2-B, Possibly Higher" for every member of the party, ouroboros and providence.

If anyone has any support for Possibly/Likely High 2-A Speak now, or forever hold your peace. Also, I will be providing a link to all job abilities the main cast can learn in both games and adding their powers appropriately if they havent been added already.
 
@Kinkiest

Well, forever hold your peace is a strong phrase (since there's probably going to be a Bravely Third) but from what I can tell, the main justification for High 2-A is that Providence exists in the Celestial Realm, which Ouroboros, who could devour countless timelines, attempted to do.

At least 2-B, possibly High 2-A is possible, but we'd need to do a thorough explanation for this.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Kinkiest

Well, forever hold your peace is a strong phrase (since there's probably going to be a Bravely Third) but from what I can tell, the main justification for High 2-A is that Providence exists in the Celestial Realm, which Ouroboros, who could devour countless timelines, attempted to do.

At least 2-B, possibly High 2-A is possible, but we'd need to do a thorough explanation for this.
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Honestly, that is all that I found on the celestial realm

I could make a post about this finding every reference of the realm, but the general gist is. 1- It is in a higher dimension 2- Providence breaks the fourth walls and almost deletes your save file, aka your timeline. 3. You yourself are a celestial who inhabit the soul of Tiz. 4. You normally cant 'break' into the higher dimension, without the players help.

Kinda reminds me of undertale esque story telling.
 
@Kinkiest

If you do a blog post with these references, it'd be greatly appreciated.

From what I've read, the Player is still an inhabitant of the Celestial Realm, so they'd still be subject to scaling.
 
I also trust Reppuzan's sense of judgement.
 
@Kinkiest

For safety, I'd rather write At least 2-B, possibly High 2-A the way we used to do for ZeedMillenniummon with appropriate explanations.
 
Okay Then I will phrase it this way. Ouroboros: At Least 2-B, Possibly Higher (Superior to Airy, who linked a myriad of worlds. Devours entire 'realities' in mere seconds and said himself he had enough strength to break into the Celestial Realm.)

Providence: At Least 2-B, Possibly High 2-A (Superior to Ouroboros, resides in a higher dimensional plane in the cestial realm. Breaks the four wall and was going to 'delete' your save file, aka your timeline.)

Party: At Least 2-B, Possibly High 2-A (Superior to Ouroboros and Providence.)

Tiz in particular would look like this

Tiz: At Least 2-B, Possibly High 2-A (A celestial in particular inhabits him, which Ouroboros noted in his encounter with Tiz.)

Also, he should have added to his profile Minor Reality Warping as stated in my above blog post. I will get to making these profiles today and I would like to link my blog for stat justifications on the verse page, similar how we rank undertale statistics if that is possible. (with modifications to the original blog post obviously to adjust final results.)
 
@Kinkiest

If you don't mind, I'd like to write the tiering descriptions since yours are a bit rough.

Ouroboros: At least 2-B (Can devour a world with each one of his tentacles and plans to do so to the countless worlds Airy enabled him to invade), possibly higher (Stated that he intended to use the power he gained from devouring these realities to break into the Celestial Realm)

Providence: At least 2-B, possibly High 2-A (As the God of the Celestial Realm, which is a level of existence above Luxendarc, she should be vastly more powerful than Ouroboros. Can interact with the player's save files, which are entire timelines supported by the player's power, and regularly addresses them directly as fellow members of the Celestial Realm)

Party: At least 2-B, possibly High 2-A (Contributed to the defeat of Providence, the god of the Celestial Realm, which is a higher dimensional plane above Luxendarc's countless alternate realities)

Tiz would have Altair mentioned, as you stated.
 
I am personally fine with Reppuzan's descriptions.
 
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