Marvel Rivals Resistances CRT

[ShockingPsychic]

Howdy, fairly simple CRT.

The playable cast of Marvel Rivals should get;

• Fire Resistance; Every character can survive attacks from Human Torch, who's flames are at least hot enough to melt metal and stone.

"He focused and felt his temperature get hotter. Then hotter still. Then so hot that the subway tracks and the concrete pillars inside the ruined station started to buckle. “Now, Ben!” he shouted again.
And Johnny Storm went nova.
The vast mass of the stone monster blocked most of the nova blast from surfing upward and out onto the street. The blast wave radiated downward into the tunnel carved by the stone Deviant on its way up from the deep caves where it originated, melting stone along with the reinforced concrete of the subway tunnel." (Excerpt from "Fire Exemption Test", Johnny's hero story)

• More dubiously, the game and Johnny himself both directly compare his heat to that of the sun/a star, however this very well not be literal. This difference only really changes the level of their heat resistance though, they should have it regardless of which 'end' is accepted.

"If I push my powers to their limits, I can go supernova and buy Sue and her crew the time they need. And since I’ll essentially be on a mini-sun for a hot second, I’ll wipe out a ton of vampires in the process. (Boy, do those jerks hate the sun!)"

"Teenager Johnny Storm joined his sister on the crew of an experimental space mission in hopes of visiting the stars. Instead, he became one, gaining power and popularity as a member of the world famous Fantastic Four. Able to generate scorching flames, Johnny is the hottest hero in town - the Human Torch. Since darkness fell on New York City, Johnny has been busy burning Dracula's legions with flames brighter that the sun."

• Cold Resistance; Every character can survive being frozen solid by Luna Snow's "Absolute Zero" ability. Needless to say, they suffer no real damage after being frozen.

There is also a Resistance removal;

Currently, the cast have Resistance to Soul Manipulation due to being able to withstand direct hits to their soul. After some discussion in the general thread, it seems this has been called into question. Nothing seems to imply that their souls are any less durable than their bodies or anything, so they aren't really resisting anything here. This does confirm that their souls have the same durability as their bodies, but I'm unsure that would grant them Soul Resistance by itself.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Fire Resistance; Every character can survive attacks from Human Torch, who's flames are at least hot enough to melt metal and stone.

My main issue is this line from Susan

Invisible Woman: I need you to promise me you'll show some restraint out there, Johnny.
Human Torch: What's the problem, sis? Afraid to turn up the heat?
Invisible Woman: Not at all. But in most realities, these are some of our closest allies.
Human Torch: Fair point. Guess I'll set my flames to "bake" instead of "broil"…

Which implies that Human Torch is limiting himself when fighting other people. Though dedicated enemies like Doom or something is probably still fine to scale.

"Absolute Zero" ability. Needless to say, they suffer no real damage after being frozen.

If this is Ice Resistance I'm fine with it. If its Resistance to Absolute Zero temperatures I'm not sure if Luna has the evidence for it.

Soul Resistance by itself.

Soul Resistance is the ability to resist Soul Manipulation. The only thing it would bypass is Soul Manipulation thar attempts to physically damage the soul. Otherwise it probably wouldn't grant anything.

 

[IDK3465]

My main issue is this line from Susan

Which implies that Human Torch is limiting himself when fighting other people. Though dedicated enemies like Doom or something is probably still fine to scale.

While I do agree that this would probably apply to Johnny’s base form, his supernova form is stated to only be achievable when he pushes himself to his limits. Given how the cast can take attacks from him in this form without experiencing any adverse burn-related effects, they should be able to resist it.

If this is Ice Resistance I'm fine with it. If its Resistance to Absolute Zero temperatures I'm not sure if Luna has the evidence for it.

Normally, yes, simply being called “Absolute Zero” doesn’t mean it’s actually absolute zero temp, but given that Luna can freeze Johnny during supernova, her ice should scale, which would put it at that level of temperature.

Also, OP neglected to mention the cast should get electricity resistance due to taking attacks from Thor/Storm

 

[Hypertornado099]

Isn't this game mechanics

 

[IDK3465]

Isn't this game mechanics

I mean… no?

All the fights we see in-game are explained in lore as simply the result of all the alternate timelines getting entangled, hence why we see several versions of the same character fighting each other. It’s just multiverse nonsense.

If the devs didn’t want characters to be able to resist the powers of others, then they could’ve easily added some kind of status effect for each of them. But, the fact that they didn’t shows that they can resist those abilities.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Given how the cast can take attacks from him in this form without experiencing any adverse burn-related effects, they should be able to resist it.

They still die from it within a couple of seconds if they're exposed. Additionally, Johnny being more powerful, as in using more destructive or larger fire attacks, still doesn’t mean that he couldn't dial his heat attacks back. Since, seemingly, he's not trying to kill any of his potential friends canonically.

can freeze Johnny during supernova, her ice should scale, which would put it at that level of temperature.

I don't see it even then depleting heat into the atmosphere doesn't require absolute zero temperatures rather than an AoE heat suck.

 

[IDK3465]

They still die from it within a couple of seconds if they're exposed. Additionally, Johnny being more powerful, as in using more destructive or larger fire attacks, still doesn’t mean that he couldn't dial his heat attacks back. Since, seemingly, he's not trying to kill any of his potential friends canonically.

If this was simply a power-amp that just changed his stats, then I’d agree, but this is explicitly his form when not holding back, so this whole thing just feels kinda contradictory? Idk, but I feel a better way of going about this is just listing it as a “possibly” as it just isn’t explicitly clear what is going on.

I don't see it even then depleting heat into the atmosphere doesn't require absolute zero temperatures rather than an AoE heat suck.

I don’t know if it’s because I’m tired or just stupid but I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here

 

[Qawsedf234]

this whole thing just feels kinda contradictory?

At the core of it Human Torch just doesn't kill people. Which is further backed up by Susan telling him to not hurt their friends and him stating that he'll lower his flames.

The AP has increased, but I think there's to much going against a straight heat resistance for most of the cast.

don’t know if it’s because I’m tired or just stupid but I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here

To cool things off/freeze things you're removing heat from the object really fast. Luna Snow freezing someone doesn't require Absolute Zero temperatures to freeze Torch as much as the ability to rapidly dump his body heat into the surrounding environment.

 

[IDK3465]

At the core of it Human Torch just doesn't kill people. Which is further backed up by Susan telling him to not hurt their friends and him stating that he'll lower his flames.

The AP has increased, but I think there's to much going against a straight heat resistance for most of the cast.

Ok, fair, but even if he isn’t outright trying to kill the other characters, he’s still trying to harm them, the other characters are still getting damaged by his attacks. Idk, but it doesn’t make sense to outright remove the resistance.

Also, imo, that whole line more so reads less like Johnny is fully holding back constantly and rather is just him choosing not to instantly go supernova on the other characters.

 

[Ebihara]

I disagree with absolute zero resetince for the same reasons as @Qawsedf234 . I would need to see more. I also dont agree with heat resistance, you still get killed very fast to the point restince feels iffy to me, maybe limited?

 

[ShockingPsychic]

The proposal was for just Cold Resistance, Absolute Zero is just the name of the power.

I do agree that not being burned by Johnny's flames should still count for something, even if the resistance isn't as potent as initially suggested.

I also want to bring up some support for Fire Resistance.

First is Kokou's Wrath, an environmental effect on the Wakanda maps. These are circles of fire seemingly created by the Wakandan god of the same name. The flames obviously deal damage, but much like Johnny's attacks, they do not leave burns and every character can simply walk away.

The second is, she's not actually out to the public for another few days, but Jean Grey/Phoenix is about to become a playable character. She's the second fire user, and describes her flames as being even more impressive than Johnny's. She also has fire attacks that everyone can walk away from.

I know she's technically not out yet (though she has been played by steamers plenty) and if we were super professional, we'd hold off until she was playable. But like. C'mon, lol

So that's three instances of the cast being able to tank fire damage

 

[Ebihara]

The proposal was for just Cold Resistance, Absolute Zero is just the name of the power.

sounds good, I have no problems here then.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So that's three instances of the cast being able to tank fire damage

Yeah they should have a resistance to fire damage, I just don't think we should give everyone a 5,000+ degree heat resistance for a non-lethal Johnny not killing them.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

I can agree to a non-specified amount of Fire Resistance (probably whatever fire typically burns at)

 

[IDK3465]

I suppose I begrudgingly agree with the fire/heat resistance not scaling to Johnny’s flames. As much as I do feel that the line isn’t referring to him constantly holding back, (because we do see him killing in-game) I am being beat out in terms of votes, so I’ll switch to agreeing with Qawsedf234…

 

[That_moron2]

Soul Resistance is the ability to resist Soul Manipulation. The only thing it would bypass is Soul Manipulation thar attempts to physically damage the soul. Otherwise it probably wouldn't grant anything.

I've heard of soul damage resistance

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I've heard of soul damage resistance

I heard that too.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Bump

 

[MrKerf]

The problem I have with Fire Resistance is that every instance of fire related damage is a regular blast or burst of fire, that never actually continues to burn, and just instantly "disperses", for the lack of the better word. The heroes still take damage and don't resist anything.

In fact, when an ability specifically does ignite, like Johnny's area of effect ability, it still works, and they still burn, because that's precisely what he intends to do.

So, I don't agree with Fire Resistance at all. Cold is fine, and Soul too, but needs to have a description specifying what it actually means.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Not going to lie, the people denying the fire and heat resistance are very dumb

 

[Arkansalter2]

So now that Phoenix (aka Jean Grey) got released who also has fire with her attacks, I'm assuming this can be more justification of the Marvel Rivals cast being able to withstand fire.

 

[IDK3465]

So now that Phoenix (aka Jean Grey) got released who also has fire with her attacks, I'm assuming this can be more justification of the Marvel Rivals cast being able to withstand fire.

I’m pretty sure there’s something in there saying her fire is hotter than Johnny’s, but I forget if Jean also has any kind of holding back statement. Maybe sun level heat is still on the table?

 

[Arkansalter2]

I’m pretty sure there’s something in there saying her fire is hotter than Johnny’s, but I forget if Jean also has any kind of holding back statement. Maybe sun level heat is still on the table?

Doesn't torch literally yell "SUPERNOVA!" and the description literally says: Explode with cosmic fire to deal damage to enemies within range.
Not only that, but Phoenix's Primary Fire is literally named: "Cosmic Flames." Now I'm not sure whether or not these flames comes from a celestial body like the sun or whatnot but the sun level heat resistance is possible.

 

[IDK3465]

Doesn't torch literally yell "SUPERNOVA!" and the description literally says: Explode with cosmic fire to deal damage to enemies within range.
Not only that, but Phoenix's Primary Fire is literally named: "Cosmic Flames." Now I'm not sure whether or not these flames comes from a celestial body like the sun or whatnot but the sun level heat resistance is possible.

There’s more reasons than just that, but due to another statement about Johnny holding back, people don’t think the cast should scale to it (which I disagree with because it’s also stated his Supernova form can only be reached when he’s going all out, but I digress). I just wanted to ask if there’s a statement regarding Jean holding back as well or if her regular casual flames scale to Johnny’s peak.

Also, just to make it clear, I don’t think Luna should have Absolute Zero, I just kinda wanted to bring it up as a potential option we could go with, but the more I think of it, the less justified it feels.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Btw, OP seems reasonable to me.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Bump (This thread deserves more attention)

 

[Qawsedf234]

So now that Phoenix (aka Jean Grey) got released who also has fire with her attacks, I'm assuming this can be more justification of the Marvel Rivals cast being able to withstand fire.

The fire resistance thing was never questioned; it was saying they can tank 5,000+ degrees when they all still rapidly die to it, and Johnny was verbally instructed not to kill anyone.

Them having some degree of fire resistance is fine, I just don't think they're immune to flames under 5,000 degrees.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Sun level heats are still on the table then since Jean Grey and Johnny.

 

[Grimm's_Fortitude]

A bit late, but I just want to say that I agree.