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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

(Here we go again)

Shouldn't aspect 4 be removed from Graham?
Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 2; Aspects Type 1, 2, 3 & 4 - Ad Infinitum layers. Graham remains as nothingness with a nonexistent "source" after his "normal source" (concept) is destroyed<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Graham_(Maou_Gakuin)#cite_note-44"><span>[</span>44<span>]</span></a>, and his true nature is that of a pure "Nothing" beyond reason that takes place after his nothingness has been destroyed<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Graham_(Maou_Gakuin)#cite_note-45"><span>[</span>45<span>]</span></a>. Additionally, not even Venuzdonoa is capable of erasing his true state permanently. Graham's nothingness is continuously being destroyed inside Anos' source, reaching even further states of nothingness in comparison to the last<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Graham_(Maou_Gakuin)#cite_note-46"><span>[</span>46<span>]</span></a>)
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To my knowledge the verse as a whole doesn't qualify for info type 2.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
(Here we go again)

Shouldn't aspect 4 be removed from Graham?

To my knowledge the verse as a whole doesn't qualify for info type 2.
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Information Manipulation (Types 1 & 2; Manipulated the knowledge of The Great Tree Ennunien so that having incorrect test answers meant you could not legitimately get a perfect test score, and could therefore make Anos' subordinates legitimately get a perfect test score even if they had incorrect test answers.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Venuzdonoa#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Venuzdonoa#cite_note-19"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Venuzdonoa#cite_note-20"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a>. Venuzdonoa can destroy anything in existence, which would include Spirits),
 
 
 
Shar122 said:
Information Manipulation (Types 1 & 2)
BOTH type 1 and type 2 since spirits are info type 2 AE.
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If these information are just mental stuff like knowledge, rumors, emotions... they should be type 1 instead of 2.
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Wesker018 said:
there is also god of traces
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This one is good.(Altough links aren't working for me)


Could you post a feat of him manipulating reality through these informations?
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
So is info type 1, and both of them are abstract.

Are you saying every interaction with spirits is interaction with info type 2?
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Dude, you seems confused about something, knowledge in the verse is treated as info type 1, spirits and order (like the order of traces) is considered type 2 info, you are acting as if knowledge is the only relevant "information" in the verse.
 
Dereck03 said:
Dude, you seems confused about something, knowledge in the verse is treated as info type 1, spirits and order (like the order of traces) is considered type 2 info, you are acting as if knowledge is the only relevant "information" in the verse.
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Because all of these information fit type 1 instead of 2.

They're literally called memory, knowledge, rumors, emotions, legends... None of these seem like the fundamental information except maybe for the traces although they're "memory" and "records" of the world and that still sound like type 1.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Because all of these information fit type 1 instead of 2.

They're literally called memory, knowledge, rumors, emotions, legends... None of these seem like the fundamental information except maybe for the traces although they're "memory" and "records" of the world and that still sound like type 1.
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Define “fundamental” and tell me how that doesn’t apply to spirits when what shapes a spirits “source” is literally information aka rumors legends etc. Without their “legends” they will disappear, I don’t think you understand what fundamental means.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Because all of these information fit type 1 instead of 2.

They're literally called memory, knowledge, rumors, emotions, legends... None of these seem like the fundamental information except maybe for the traces although they're "memory" and "records" of the world and that still sound like type 1.
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😮‍💨 😵‍💫
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Because all of these information fit type 1 instead of 2.

They're literally called memory, knowledge, rumors, emotions, legends... None of these seem like the fundamental information except maybe for the traces although they're "memory" and "records" of the world and that still sound like type 1.
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Why are you so fixated on the words used?
It's already explained why those things are fundamental.
 
ZillionZeutron said:
Define “fundamental” and tell me how that doesn’t apply to spirits when what shapes a spirits “source” is literally information aka rumors legends etc. Without their “legends” they will disappear, I don’t think you understand what fundamental means.
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So if info type 1 make up a concepts, that's will it type 2 by default. But concept are literal idea/abstract. That's still fall into type 1.

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They fit the bill for AE(info type 1) perfectly. And prove that their Source≠Lore.

ZillionZeutron said:
Spirits are literally born from rumors and legends aka information so yes, every single interaction is IM2.
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They're not themselve the info but only their legend(source) That will make them AE type 2 ignoring the fact that they resurrect from it , the destruction of the body soul or source doesn't influence their legend which mean that unless someone interact with their lore istelf they shouldn't have information manipulation.


Just prove these informations got nothing to do with memory, knwoledge or anything like this:
  1. Knowledge: These characters can manipulate information as the medium of knowledge as opposed to just manipulating what a specific person knows, which would be considered Mind Manipulation. Characters with this ability can, for example, destroy information on a subject and by that make it inherently unknowable. Other examples of uses would be to prevent information from leaving an area, making it so that those outside can't gain knowledge of what is happening inside, or altering information to change what people know about the subject into something else.
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And didn't Anos revive a spirit by share info about her to people?



Remember, what stated all of this was Graham having aspect 4 in his NEP.
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
So if info type 1 make up a concepts, that's will it type 2 by default. But concept are literal idea/abstract. That's still fall into type 1.
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I don’t understand what you’re talking about here. Can you maybe rephrase this?

I don’t understand why you’re comparing concepts to the legends that birth the spirits when spirits are solely dependent on their lore to exist. Their “lore” is a fundamental aspect of a spirit. Without it, they cease to exist, it’s that simple. Just the word “fundamental” alone already debunks your argument. I don’t know why you brought up concepts when we’re talking about spirits, not gods.
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
They fit the bill for AE(info type 1) perfectly. And prove that their Source≠Lore.
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Yeah no, you’re actually acting as if AE can’t also be linked to IM2. And are you actually just ignoring scans? Their source is a 100% connected to their lore, just that destroying their source would be irrelevant as long as their lore/rumors remain. And I don’t know if you know this, but i’m almost certain spirits have AE1.

Again, how is something that’s literally stated to be a fundamental information that shapes a characters being, not be IM2?
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
They're not themselve the info but only their legend(source
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And no one was arguing for that what? I’m pretty sure no one was arguing that a spirits physical body is what’s IM2. Their lore is what makes up their Source, and because of that we can conclude that their source is also IM2. It’s literally not that hard to understand.
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
)That will make them AE type 2 ignoring the fact that they resurrect from it , the destruction of the body soul or source doesn't influence their legend which mean that unless someone interact with their lore istelf they shouldn't have information manipulation.
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No. All spirits have AE1 not 2. And so why are you making this argument? No one is saying that “Oh, this character hit a spirit, he must have IM2!!”. I’m pretty sure every single MG character who has a profile can affect a spirits source and therefore grant them IM2 interaction.
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Just prove these informations got nothing to do with memory, knwoledge or anything like this:
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It’s simply not our fault that you couldn’t understand the justifications used in the profiles. Seriously, how many times are we gonna keep repeating this?
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
And didn't Anos revive a spirit by share info about her to people?
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So? How is that an anti-feat?
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Remember, what stated all of this was Graham having aspect 4 in his NEP.
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I disagree FRA fr.

EDIT: I’m taking/going a/to nap/sleep. Don’t expect a response until a few hours later. I believe the supporters can deal with you until then.
 
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