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In vs., he said that Amor's source was getting closer to the cliff when it was exposed to destruction. Anos Amura did not cross the cliff like Anos. And what do you think would have happened if Anos had continued after step 8?
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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread
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EldemadeDityjon
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Anos 7th step already enough to destroy Silver Sea. Don't need any need for further things Anos took 8th step because 7th step was about get used by Amur to destroy Silver Sea but he needed some deeper power to make Amur give up.
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Anos crossed the cliff in step 8, didn't he?
EldemadeDityjon
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Basically it's a first step from a New Nirvana step which overlaps the existing one. It's just deepened but basically 8th step because it's a direct continuation.
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Do you think Anos can't win with meocd and ega without GN?
EldemadeDityjon
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MEOCD has same powers chaotic galaxy Chaos. Amur can blast that away with his EGA and Resists that with hatred power. Also GN is deeper magic than Chaos from I understand hence it's superior to that.
Anyway the whole point is if Anos can take the step or not. If Anos takes the steps he wins otherwise I got Amur, Zinnia and Noah cooking him. He got no other spells capable of doing anything to them
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I remember Anos saying that he could develop further. He might be wrong, but can't he overcome chaos? Is there no potential?
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Why is Eldmed still comparing chaotic eyes and chaotic galaxy? Same powers how? Anyway, without Gilieriam Naviem Anos is 4th strongest in the verse I believe. To even compete base to base against Amur Anos first had to deepen his body. Anos said himself that he can neither match Zinnia in power or speed, Zinnia's understanding of magic and overall technique surpasses his as well, also said first 6 steps of Gilieriam Naviem wouldn't do anything
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My own ranking is:
- Anos 8th Step
- Zinnia/Anos 7th Step/Amur with Magic Eyes of heart fire approaching destruction
- Base Noah/Amur
- Base Anos/Aizel/Duelniga
- Mutoh/Yzak/Heath (Can probably throw fully incarnated Kostoria here)
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So Noah 1
Amura 2
Zinnia 3
Anos 4, right?
Amura 2
Zinnia 3
Anos 4, right?
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No one mention Aisha. When she isn't a ME merchant and has feats without Venuzdonoa I'll give her a placement.
No, Zinnia is first then Amur and Noah are tied 14k years ago but Amur goes on to absorb the malice of Ravashnake's abyss so he surpasses Noah
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In other words Amur is the strongest anyway. Shu weakened Noah by making him the reincarnation of Anos/Lion of Destruction and had to find some way to make Amur let Anos reach his level and surpass him to win. If the battle was with the intention to kill, Amur would win, therefore he is the strongest. I had high expectations for this final fight between the two. I was almost certain the author would have Anos somehow regain his full power and Noah's body and then fight Amur.
Unfortunately what we had was him using an already existing spell and using deepening spells one after the other to reach Amur
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So they both used deepening but Anos did it better
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I'm starting to feel Kuma is justified with his crash outs. How did you get Amur as the strongest? Even absorbing all the malice of the Silver Sea, Amur still couldn't stop Zinnia's abyss magic. He'll only be equal to and above Zinnia by overcoming his destruction after having Anos take the seventh step
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If in a fight to the death Amur would come out victorious against Anos, is it wrong to say that he is the strongest?
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From what I understand, if he stops Anos's steps, he wins, but if he doesn't, he loses.
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He'd have to be reborn from the Abyss of memories if he wants to be able to use Noah's body again. He could also go the same route as Noah and fuse with the chaotic galaxy if he's so desperate. I've kinda forgotten but why isn't Anos a perfect LoD again and how is he close to being perfect? The only thing he has relating to their physiology is the connection and corrosive blood. He has neither the claws nor any magic or attribute relating to the specific body parts. Kostoria by becoming complete could use both Naga and Bobonga's spells actually, what is Kostoria's signature destruction magic or is it that she doesn't have one?
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And from what I understand there was no chance of Anos using the seven steps if Amur didn't want to, so yes, he loses.
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Don't think MEOCD is just the chaotic powers, it should have shadow nature of noah source mixed, venuzdonoa could destroy the reason of chaos during the fight with duelniga.
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throw an umbrella
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I assume he didn't have time to do these things. It makes sense.
About your question, I don't know how to say
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Question: Anos used Chaotic eyes in the last Volume or were useless?
Abyss magic is the strongest kind of magic or nah?
Also. Abyss Magic is bound by reason?
Abyss magic is the strongest kind of magic or nah?
Also. Abyss Magic is bound by reason?
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EldemadeDityjon
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Basically what Rozan said below but base is still Chaos.
Same thoughts but like I already mentioned in Discord. Chaos amps the abilities and if counter ability merged with Chaos is better that would be superior just like how Tigress authority being superior to Venozdonoa if they reached Abyss.
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Anyone who reaches Abyssal World can counter Chaos but it depends on abilities.
Yes but don't know what to call 8th step it was deepened of GN.
It's not bound by Order
GN is basically Abyss Magic
Agido is Abyss Magic Zinnia uses while GN seventh step is Anos one.
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Never happening. Venuz was negging Duelniga
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Blocked and overpowered all of her attacks, destroyed the reason behind them as well as the reason of chaos. If Sasha knew how to handle the sword better Duelniga would've been a stain on the side of the road so yes, it negged them
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Not the strongest but the most durable character
I think so
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what? how?
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So Order < Reason < Strongest magic from the last volume?
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One attack not all? Next one was she slipping through the barrier
Yet the next moment, Duelniga was using the same Chaos to put a hole in Aisha and destroy the solar eclipse that was has enough growth that it was approaching the Abyss.
Where does “she wasn’t a good user for Venozdonoa” come from? Also, where did the passive go?
I know you what your excuse will be "PIS" nothing else. If you are going on that route I'm not interested in continuing arguing further.
Shu clearly mentioned Tigress authority can counter Venozdonoa powers if it reaches same level Abyss which Duelniga world is. So I'd rather go with what it's been pointed out than just assuming "Sasha wasn't a good user" " PIS" Excuses
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I guess
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Cause Sasha is a bum + plot convenience
How tf do you think her normal magic bullets are chaos?
She's a bum cause Anos shown usage has been better over all. You've been yapping that not everything needs to be spoon fed to the readers but here you are asking to be spoon fed.
Because it is PIS. This entire volume was filled with PIS
And Shu has been proven wrong. Sit your ass down son. Venuzdonoa had no problem destroying a greater authority that had already reached the abyss.
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Not a Bum like Lay. So you made up that headcanon all her attacks
Let me spit it out for you. I'm claiming her Authority rules over chaos too. Duelniga was able to use Chaos in follow up chapter. Even though it's rules has been destroyed in previous chapter
Like I already pointed out Duelniga authority amped by Chaos power was equal or superior in this case which resisted that.
She has shown to destroy her enemies and did better with previous Volumes against a inhabitants who didn't reached Abyss you are just making up excuses here.
You are just a Non believer that's all. There are some small inconsistency but not all. I disagree with everything being PIS just because of your beliefs
Shu isn't proven wrong you just can't accept that there are things which Venuzdonoa can't destroy or there are some characters who can resists that.
Author Words > your headcanons or believes
Not everything needs to be spoon fed.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Send the scan for her being inexperienced. Her fight against Kostoria and Magic Bullet inhabitants shows different from what you people are claiming not to mention it's own passives which are active and one which killed Kostoria in Volume 12 when she tried to make it submit.
I already pointed out that the author makes it clear that other Authorities can counter Venozdonoa’s powers if they’ve reached the Abyss. Either you people are in disbelief, or you’re trolling by not looking at what the series and author have pointed out.
An Abyss World Chief God putting up a fight against characters holding Venozdonoa is not really anything out of the ordinary.
Anos himself couldn’t one shot Vlad with Chaotic Eyes who had reached the Abyss World. Really, can we stop with the it was Anos, he should somehow be able to one shot a character who should be superior to Vlad
Yeah, yeah, another case of PIS for you people—because you can either logically explain that, or accept what the author and the series have established regarding the Abyss layer.Whenever something unbelievable for you people happens PIS rule it out?
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