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Its a stomp if this is equalized. Quanxi has no way of surviving a clean slice from SSK.
I don't think Quanxi would allow Maki to get a clean cut on her, and if I unequalize speed that's also a stomp
Smh Quanxi doesn't even have an argument yet...
I don't think it'd be a stomp if unequalized. The fact its 50 meters starting distance would allow Maki to predict her movements with her senses which let her sense Naoya moving from dozens of meters away. Quanxi is 7x faster but keeping distance, Maki can definitely fight decently here. Also Maki can take Quanxi's hits while Quanxi can't take a hit from SSK, which will be easy for Maki here.
The AP gap is only a 1.25 difference when Quanxi is transformed, I doubt Maki would one shot with SSK
I disagree, Quanxi is fairly above Maki when it comes to skill imo
Fair
Quanxi is invisible to Mach 3 characters when transformed, and due to her superior skill and acrobatics I doubt she would get hit in base better yet her transformed state. But if you believe it would work better ill un-equalize the speed
Knowing Quanxi she would likely react to it and then transform
Quanxi is invisible to them even in base lmao
Doesn't ssk targets the soul? I don't think quanxi can Regen from that and if she doesn't start the fight transformed then maki one shots
I don't remember a lot about quanxi skill feats
Eh I see what you're saying, I know Quanxi is very acrobatic but Maki is also, and she is good at adjusting in the midst of combat, I wouldn't put it behind her to adapt to Quanxi's evasions. Speed can stay equalized, unless others call it out, I personally think it gives Maki a greater edge than unequalized due to her senses.
She cant regenerate from damage taken from it but considering SSK it would one shot her depending on where Maki slices, but Quanxi's acrobatics and overall combat skill would save her from getting hit by it. After Quanxi rushes at Maki and she breaks her swords with SSK she will likely dodge her attack and transform. Once she transforms she gets a massive speed-boost, enhanced acrobatics and enough AP to harm Maki with her arrow Danmaku. Overall tho I'm kinda downplaying Maki's skill as well as her own acrobatics, but id just say Quanxi would be faster and superior in those categories
Mainly other martial arts, acrobatics and weapon mastery feats listed on her profile
Yeah both get everything on their profiles
Agreed
Split-Soul Katana has never been shown to neg regen higher than Low-Mid
I don't think it needs to be shown working on regen above that level for common sense to be applicable. If you can regenerate your soul? It'd obviously be of no issue. If you're unable to? Then not sure how you're going to regenerate damage beyond what you're shown to regenerate.
Her combat skill and acrobatics would only save her if they're above Maki's realm. Which they don't seem to be
Quanxi's are superior iirc, my mind is not fresh on Maki's side of skill tho
I theorize with her superior acrobatics she will, or at least avoid taking fatal damage from the attack. After being unable to heal her wounds (If she gets hurt) she will begin taking Maki more seriously as she enters her Hybrid form and that would be wraps
Quanxi's skill for the most part stems from her statement of being able to beat everyone on earth in a fist fight. But given she also one-shots and blitzes 99.99% of the globe, that's also not exactly unexpected. I'd prolly bet on Maki being superior skill-wise imo. And a better strategist. In regards to acrobatics though, I imagine they'd be in the same ballpark.
Not sure how I feel about "superior" acrobatics. But even so, I don't think acrobatics alone is enough to avoid an attack point blank from someone as skilled as Maki who also has borderline precognition. Not unless she's on some Sonic timing acrobatics where he can evade hundreds of attacks from people comparable to themselves simultaneously. But from up to where I've read, she's not nearly at that level.
For Quanxi's skill her statement isn't the only feat she has in that department, we know she's fairly experienced being the worlds first Devil Hunter and she is also superior to Kishibe who is the self-proclaimed "Strongest Devil Hunter", believe the statement as boasting or not I find it alright as Makima entrusted Denji and Power in his hands along that it mainly could have been for his prime, Quanxi was still able to best him in combat (or outpace mainly but its a decent feat regardless), she can go toe to toe with Yoshida whom is relative to her in combat despite being weaker (lets not forget that Yoshida is only a third rate Devil Hunter) meaning that there might be Devil hunters far more skilled than the likes of him. I don't think we should duck past her main statement of being able to take on anyone in the world in bare h2h combat, which by itself you must have some overall great skill to achieve despite her speed and strength. (Remember that hybrids are only empowered by fear when they transform, so in base Quanxi's inhuman strength comes from something else) my head-cannon is that training is what provides this strength and skill that Devil Hunters possess, so honestly overall but not by a large margin id give Quanxi skill. Acrobatics wise I'm not refreshed on Maki's side, but for Quanxi she has some pretty good feats in that category, an example being he doll blitz running on walls while decapitating a bunch of Dolls and Devil Hunters, being able to do a 180 intercepting Aki and Angel as well as being able to intercept Denji and two other Devil hunter's protecting him Mid-air, like this match is suggesting Quanxi is aware and can intercept an attack from Yoshida who is relative to her in speed which is why I think Quanxi would have the edge in both categories imo.
I believe she's on that level from the above
I don't see the statement as boasting. I just explained that she also stat-stomps 99.99% of Earth's population. So it's obvious she'd be able to beat any of them in a fist fight. Kishibe being the "Strongest Devil Hunter" is vague and could entail a number of things (Stats, Skill, etc.) and doesn't mean much on his own unless he himself has other statements, or better yet, feats.
All of this seems like conjecture based on a statement with little to no feats. I'd very easily give an edge to Maki, and I'm not even caught up with the current arc.
Her being able to run on walls and decapitate people is decent, granted you don't really need to mention who since she's way faster than the people she did that to. So it's not as though they had the possibility of stopping her in any fashion.
I mean Maki's "precog" has shown to be unreliable when caught off guard funny enough, she couldn't evade Sukuna's punch (I linked it up top), Uraume catches her in ice, Sukuna's amp speed blitzed her senses as well. Not to say it isn't gonna work at all, I think it'll be somewhat useful in base but once Quanxi transforms, I think Quanxi's speed amp will make it harder for Maki to land her slashes. Also Quanxi's sending numerous arrows at this speed, arrows that destroyed Santa's body completely, it's more that Maki won't be able to avoid all her attacks.
I could be wrong but she didn't do that. Maybe tens of meters, or jumping from building to building.
Ah so you consider Quanxi as mommy...
Are you agreeing Maki's more skilled or disagreeing?
I would've expected a wider variety of acrobatics. This is just wall-running.
Having "precog" =/= being able to avoid all attacks automatically. If you face someone with the skill to fight through precog like Sukuna, it's not gonna matter (He was also fighting Yuji at the same time who was verbatim stated to have a better fighting sense than even Maki and has good skill feats himself).
I think I saw it from pages in chapters beyond where I'm at (I'm at the VERY start of the Maki and Kamo vs Naoya fight).
I'd have to catch up to know. That's why I said in regards to acrobatics, someone else will have to argue that in my place. Since I'm pretty sure most of her acrobatics are beyond where I'm currently at.
The whip hybrid stated in part 2 that she is 82 years old and the spear hybrid considers her a child and since quanxi is the first devil hunter she's way older than him
Not really stat-stomping considering that Quanxi is on par with a third rate Devil Hunter, meaning that there are still some people who would be relative or above her in terms of strength and speed, as I've theorized having inhuman strength in the CSM universe might be a cause of training as weve seen with Kishibe and Quanxi, being a Devil Hunter alone requires a large amount of skill and even with it Devil Hunters tend to die young, which is why Kishibe and Quanxi are a special case. For Kishibe being the strongest Devil Hunter isn't vague in the Skills department id disagree mainly for the fact that most Devil Hunters are Gifted for practically just being on the job, when It comes to Quanxi and Kishibe they are just geniuses above their colleges
I wouldn't say not having enough feats is enough to really place the statements along with her other feats bellow Maki's skill level because she has more showings, Quanxi still does have martial arts feats but its just the fact she's superior to everyone whom she comes across makes it difficult to gauge feats of skill but I would still give skill to Quanxi so far
These are all pretty decent feats themselves, but id say id give Quanxi the edge again for similar feats;
While also that being a good feat it would be inferior to Quanxi's, for example take her doing a 180 flip and intercepting Aki and Angel knocking them unconscious or intercepting Denji and his body gaurds while mid air and as I've listed above she can still do this to people whom are relative to her in speed, I doubt Maki will defeat her with the first attack but It will probably injure Quanxi but that's really about it
Some people. That's why I clarified 99.99% of the globe. Majority of the verse wasn't at her level when she was introduced. And your points about strength are coming from purely speculative guesswork rather than concrete statements/showings. Which, while fine outside the wiki, isn't something that should be considered on a vs wiki match-up of all things. Nor are a lot of the people on the job shown to be super skilled. They either have a contract, are a hybrid (which makes them rather op by default), or use weapons. Which I guess for the last bit I can give them some credit for, but most don't have any skill feats with them besides just using them basically.
That is exactly how we judge skill though? Why would we put Quanxi on or above Maki's level because she hardly has any feats or statements compared to Maki? If we did that in every match, you can always just argue the person with far inferior showings and statements is equal to or superior in skill because they "Lack skill feats/statements". The logic doesn't check out with me.
Being the first doesn't even mean anything. The first Jujutsu Sorcerer and Curse aren't relevant at all to the series. Instead, most (not all) of the talented, most skilled, prodigious people are from the modern age. Because experience doesn't equate to skill. If that is the case, then you should be in favor of Maki for being able to take on ancient sorcerers like Sukuna who's easily over a thousand years old.
An assassin at least entails basic skill, so I'll give her that. But like, i can just say Maki is a Jujutsu Sorcerer and call it a day. I don't think Quanxi being one of the physically strongest people on earth means anything for skill. That is something you keep asserting as a self-admitted theory. Again, if you want to take that route, Maki can fight with Sukuna. An ancient sorcerer. With being the strongest sorcerer being a result of ones mastery/skill over Jujutsu and all its fundamentals as a whole. Thus Sukuna's experience and skill should trump Quanxi's, and Maki can keep up with that. I don't AGREE that's a good way to measure skill, but it IS what you're doing.
You see, her outskilling Kishibe is decent, but you're so hung up on strength that you ignore the actual skill stuff. I would've been more impressed if you showed Kishibe being able to take on Power and Denji in 2v1's for their training and coming out the victor every time. You did give me a feat of planning for Kishibe, granted it's not really a battle plan. But a plan to get rid of Makima, but that's something at least. I will say he's probably smarter than Maki in a general sense, but not nearly as battle-skilled as Maki either.
Relative in speed at least (Granted I might need to look into that, as it seems after Quanxi stops blitzing the dolls she holds back, but I could just be forgetting). But in the scan you sent, he outright admits a singular direct hit would kill him. Quanxi is most definitely the more favored person in the fight. Not the underdog.
Well of course Quanxi is more skilled in her work. She's a Devil Hunter and Maki isn't. Why would Maki be the more skilled Devil Hunter?
I mean flips are kinda like the basics of acrobatics. Maki literally did the same thing in the FIRST skill feat I gave you before she became physically gifted, and even topped it by evading and countering Yuta's OWN counter and then disarming him. Someone comparable to her.
I'm saying Quanxi is. I think I said this but Maki's "skill" comes from her senses, she isn't very skillful outside of them otherwise. She's not even considered first grade prior to gaining her enhanced body from Mai, she got out-skilled by her dad, whose skill feats is beating his daughters, and being first grade. After this what skill has she shown without her senses helping? And its not a feat for Sukuna, her senses just don't aid her in close combat is all.
Compared to Maki its better. Quanxi can wall run and hit numerous targets all spread out, Maki has never done this, and didn't when she was in a similar situation against the kukuru unit. Just looking at the feats Quanxi's are more impressive than Maki's acrobats which let her jump on air and looking at the feats it doesn't make Maki some acrobatic expert when she's up against people of comparable speed or above in skill like Sukuna which is what Quanxi would be.
I'm not saying that, the point of those examples is to show speed cancels her senses out is all. And the Uraume feat shows this pretty well, she has godly senses yet couldn't dodge Uraume's attack.
Sukuna, in a physically weaker body, was fighting her, Yuji was keeping up with her, Kusakabe, Miguel, Yuta all can fight Sukuna and do decent against him just like she can. And this isn't just about skill, it's about speed, Quanxi's got the speed and skill to evade and hit Maki far more likely than Maki will.
Yeah if you're at the part where she fights cursed Naoya, then that's really where her acrobatics end I'd say. Recently she and Sukuna show the ability to jump on air which we always knew they could do.
Small misconception, but Sukuna wasn't active for the thousand years, he existed a thousand years ago and since then has been a cursed object for a thousand years. And it does mean something for Quanxi when coupled with the fact Kishibe, the strongest hunter admits to being inferior to her. Someone like Kenjaku I'd say would benefit from his experience like Quanxi for a comparison. And lets not act like the "first X" isn't a major trope in fiction usually denoting one's skill in the field. Also we have no idea who the first sorcerer and curse were, for all we know they could've been the best.
Are you serious..?
Maki used the Kukuru unit themselves as surfaces to take out others and move between killing them. She also ran down the side of the sand hand in my scan from my earlier post and fought and killed two people while on it. Her being able to jump on air as you said only aids her acrobatics.
Where are you getting "godly senses" from. And if you think it's so godly, why are you saying it barely aids in close-combat against opponents relative to her. If it was "godly", I don't think that'd be much of an issue.
And your evidence for Quanxi's skill is all chalked up to her being old. I'm sorry, but that doesn't really mean shit. Not without feats or additional statements. She could be a million years old for all I care and still job. And Sukuna being extra-skilled isn't a demerit of Maki's own skill. Not sure why you're trying to either dismiss Maki as a skilled fighter with this.
Once I've read that fight, I will have to come back and comment more.
Well obviously. He was split into 20 fingers for a long time. That's mentioned at the very beginning of the series.
Cut maki's head off. Pierce her body with numerous arrows.
