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This thread will not only just talking about hypertimeline but also for make every trace are low 2C by it nature
Hypertimeline
There are two reason for get hypertimeline:
- By our standard, we consider time as higher D by default because it can contain uncountable infinite verison of spatial object. This make the whole timeline more bigger infinite than just a infinite size universe
The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime.
This structure can then be generalized to any number of dimensions, which is why destroying a spacetime continuum is a greater feat than destroying only the contents of the physical universe (Low 2-C, rather than 3-A or High 3-A).
Hypertimeline basically use the same logic, where the default timeline that are 4D can be contained inside a frame of another timeline, that mean this timeline can contain uncountable infinite version of 4D by it nature
- Making something as infinitesimal thing inside something. Our standard say, something can be higher D if it make an object as infinitesimal part compare to it as a whole
One of the more straightforward ways to qualify for Tier 2 and up through higher dimensions is by affecting whole higher-dimensional universes which can embed the whole of lower-dimensional ones within themselves. For example: A cosmology where the entirety of our 3-dimensional universe is in fact a subset of a much greater 4-dimensional space, or generalizations of this same scenario to higher numbers of dimensions; i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc.
The gap between each frames inside a timeline are consider as an instant or a point that seperating two states/frames of the world.
Instant also an infinitesimal interval in time. Soo we can say each frames are a infinitesimal part of the whole timeline. Hypertimeline make a default timeline that are 4D as a infinitesimal part of it
In Maou, time keeper can accelerate time to an infinite years in an instant. This must make the timeline that contained it in it instant a hypertimeline if we use the same logic above. This blog will explain further about hypertimeline
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「永劫(えいごう)の時に飲まれて消えよ」
"Be swallowed
by eternity and vanish."
白銀の光が俺を包み、時が加速する。十億年————百億年————否、永劫(えいどう)の時が一瞬のうちに重ねられる。いかに魔王の体と言えど、無限の時を生き延びることはできない。やがては朽ち、消え果てる 。
The silver light surrounds me, time shall accelerate.
Billion years, ten billion years. No. Eternity (of time) passing in an instant. Even the body of the demon king can't survive in
endless time. It will eventually collapse and vanish.
光が弾(はじ)けると同時に、永劫(えいごう)の時を経た体は消滅し、死に絶えた。
The light shines. At the same time, the body of the demon king, having
passed through eternity, has vanished and perished.
「フ......フフフフ、フハハハハハッ!! どうだ?どうだ、思い知ったか、愚かな、始祖よ。運命は変えられぬ。我が不死身となった時点で、否、二千年前、そなたが戦いから逃げた時点で、今日こうなることは決まっていたのだ!!」
"HA HA HA HA!! How was that? Now you understand, foolish ancestor. You can't change fate. From the moment I became immortal, No. 2000 years ago, when you chose to run away, what happens today was already decided at that moment!!
~ WN, translated by
Marosuke
"It was not infinite amount of time, it just a very very long time"
Well the infinite amount of time is mentioned 4 times in the scan, so it is very very unlikely for it to not mean infinite but just a long time. Specially since it is power of keeper of time.
Trace of the Land of Traces
Like the standard says what we consider as timeline are those which have infinite amount of time by it nature, or separated by an infinite amount of time from other timeline.
Read the blog about hypertimeline for more clear explanation about this.
Land of traces basically contain all traces that are the past of all things, all things that already happen, every record and memory. All traces from the very beginning of time it self
"The farther we go, the further back in time we get, right?" Sasha asked, looking at Arcana in confusion. "How far does this go exactly?"
"All traces return as far as the beginning of time. That is where the God of Traces resides."
"You mean we're traveling to the beginning of the world?"
Arcana nodded. "That is correct."
~ LN vol 6 chp 27, official translation
We were in an unfamiliar place-a never-ending wasteland with no sign of life. A dome covered the sky above, and polar night cloaked the land in darkness.
Arcana was beside me. Both she and I were clothed. Was this the God of Traces' dream?
"This is both my dream and hers. I am Revalschned, God of Traces. I govern the order of this world's records and memories, and inscribe their traces into my body."
~ LN vol 6 chp 28 , official translation
I looked to the side to see Golroana appear in the same praying pose. The source I had shredded was completely unharmed. "You distorted time," I said, looking into the abyss.
"Indeed. In the land of traces, there is no future. My devout follower's life is carved into the past, so he will never die."
"He will if I deal with you first."
"Indeed. But I, too, am undying. As the order of traces, I am the past of everything in existence. You can rewrite time all you wish, but the past that existed won't change."
As the order of the records and memories, the God of Traces was the past itself. Destroying him would require altering the past, but there was little chance of that happening against the god of such an order, even with time magic.
Revalschned existed here. That truth could never be changed. This was what made the God of Traces immortal and was the reason Ceris had wanted to destroy him while he was still asleep.
~ LN vol 6 chp 38, official translation
The traces or past itself doesn't stick to each other but are pile up/stacked upon/build on one by one, this makes the nature of timeline in MGnF explicitly explained not as a stick linear timeline but as a timeline that make up by many snapshots or frames. So past or traces here are showed as a frame or snapshot that already happen within the timeline
"The past isn't something to be fixed upon, but something to build on.The countless traces accumulated from the past were what allowed me to take a step forward and create Gilieriam Naviem."
Having witnessed me crushing the supposedly indestructible land of traces underfoot, Golroana was no longer able to ignore my words.
"As long as you do nothing but pray, Revalschned's power remains nothing but a trace of the past," I said. "You won't be able to surpass the answers accumulated by your ancestors and arrive at a better solution beyond them."
~LN vol 6 chp 39, official translation
「過去は固執するものではない。積み重ねていくものだ。過去の積み重ねが、その数多の痕跡が、俺に新たな一歩を踏み出させ、＜涅槃七歩征服ギ(リエリアム・ナヴィエム)＞が生まれた」
"The past is not something to cling to, but something that pile up. These experiences of past, countless traces pushed me to the new step, ＜涅槃七歩征服ギ(リエリアム・ナヴィエム)＞ came into existence."
~WN, translated by
Marosuke
Note: I manipulate change the translation of "to gain experience" here for making the context more clear. And i already ask Marosuke if that can be translated as "pile up" and he say yes
Every traces are contained inside a pages in a book and the books contained inside a bookshelves that strached across the infinite land of traces
So the traces have a fixed "size" inside the land of traces there are no bigger and smaller traces, all of them are nothing more than just a mere book compare to the endlessness of the land of traces
"Gilieriam Naviem."
It was enhancement magic that momentarily raised my strength and released the destructive magic condensed in my source. I slowly walked towards the God of Traces. All I had to do was walk.
On my first step, all the bookshelves stretched across the land collapsed, sending all the books recording the traces of the world into the air. Each page that opened had a trace of this world written on it. The shadows of countless people appeared in the wasteland and then vanished, destroyed by my footstep.
On my second step, the books in the air tore apart, scattering their pages everywhere. Groups of various animals appeared on the water while birds and dragons filled the skies. Then the traces of all living creatures were crushed under my foot and destroyed.
On my third step, the land shook, and the scattered pages burst. The dome vanished, and the sky appeared, followed by the sun, the moon, and the stars. Their shadows all disappeared under my step, banished beyond the skies.
On my fourth step, the torn scraps of paper disintegrated. The land cracked into pieces, lakes dried up, and all plant life withered away.
On my fifth step, countless bookshelves rose once again, recording the traces of destruction until now. The bookshelves shook violently before being crushed into pieces. Broken by my footstep, the shattered sky flickered overhead.
On my sixth step, there was nothing left in the land of traces as it shook. The only light left before me was crushed by my footstep, enclosing the world in darkness.
On my seventh step, I froze before bringing my foot down. The land of traces had vanished, and I was back in the room with the stone floor. If I had finished taking my seventh step, I would have destroyed the world a thousand times over.
"Hmm. I made this spell with the intent of conquering the land of traces in seven steps, but it seems I've failed. If I had taken seven steps, nothing would remain."
The land of traces had reached its limits at the sixth step, unable to record any more traces of destruction. The divine realm had broken down. I canceled Gilieriam Naviem and set my foot on the floor.
"That can't be..." Despite seeing it with his own eyes, Golroana trembled in disbelief. "The land of traces... The infinite world created by the gods..." he mumbled in a daze.
~LN vol 6 chp 38, official translation
So why trace must be low 2C by its nature?
The reason is that the acceleration of time to eternity happened in the past, so logically that must be a trace because land of traces contains the past of everything, everything that happen in the past are considered as traces. This making a trace able to contain infinite amount of time by it own nature
Conclusion
- Hypertimeline for Maou Gakuin making everyone that can destroy entire world to low 1C
- Making everyone that affect at least one traces to low 2C
