Magic God vs a Transcendent

[Churronzon]

• Starting distance is 20 meters.
• Niang-Niang is at her weakest
• Both have canon knowledge of each other
• Speed equal

Niang^2:
Anna S:
Incon:

 

[ShadeyD]

Voting Anna

 

[Churronzon]

Mf you didn't even give a reason

 

[ShadeyD]

Reason being Niang Niangs third key is ass

Space breaker cleaves

 

[StrangerALover]

Those crossing the abyss have the power to resist the magical gods, so Anna clearly wins here

 

[StrangerALover]

While the magical gods have not broken through the ceiling and are still cooking in the surface world

 

[StrangerALover]

Reason being Niang Niangs third key is ass

Space breaker cleaves

Mf you didn't even give a reason

The nerfed TMGs gets one shot from magics that are superior to Olam Assiah

 

[Churronzon]

We're not beating the schizo allegations

 

[ShadeyD]

We're not beating the schizo allegations

YOU'RE not beating them

 

[XDragnoir]

The nerfed TMGs gets one shot from magics that are superior to Olam Assiah

Were Anna's spells stated to be above Assiah? I forgot if they were.

 

[StrangerALover]

Were Anna's spells stated to be above Assiah? I forgot if they were.

Were Anna's spells stated to be above Assiah? I forgot if they were.

She can use the power of the secret chiefs, besides she is crossing the abyss

 

[XDragnoir]

She can use the power of the secret chiefs

She doesn't use it all the time tho, she can choose to use it or not.

besides she is crossing the abyss

Wasn't Coronzon basically an abyss crosser as well? Not all of her spells were above Assiah.

 

[StrangerALover]

She doesn't use it all the time tho, she can choose to use it or not.


Wasn't Coronzon basically an abyss crosser as well? Not all of her spells were above Assiah.

Well, to be more precise, the "True Choronzon" is generally located beyond the abyss and exists in a metaphysical reality (Da'at). Nyang Nyang stated that her avatar forms laws from Olam Briah, I can also back it up by the fact that she uses Enochman magic, which is also located above Assiah. The flaming sword also comes from the higher Sphirah (manifests itself on the surface layer of this world). And many other things that I'm too lazy to mention

 

[XDragnoir]

Well, to be more precise, the "True Choronzon" is generally located beyond the abyss and exists in a metaphysical reality (Da'at).

Yeah, I know that, but I was talking about the Surface Form of Coronzon, the one we actually see in the series and that has some spells that are from Beriah.

Nyang Nyang stated that her avatar forms laws from Olam Briah, I can also back it up by the fact that she uses Enochman magic, which is also located above Assiah.

Niang Niang was specifically talking about her Pure Fire spell, impure elements were never regarded as being from Olam Beriah, to the point even Mina Mathers was able to block one of the impure elements.

So again, not all of Coronzon's spells are from Beriah, which of Anna Sprengel's spells are you claiming would be from Olam Beriah?

The flaming sword also comes from the higher Sphirah (manifests itself on the surface layer of this world). And many other things that I'm too lazy to mention

I don't think any of her other spells are from above worlds, actually, just the 4 Pure Elements, the Secret Call and then Flaming Sword. Coronzon's hair angels, impure elements and other minor spells aren't any special.

Anyway, this thread is about Anna, so again, which of her spells are you claiming comes from Olam Beriah? Indeed, we already know Anna isn't at her full power, can she even use spells that strong without being at her full power?

 

[Churronzon]

which of Anna Sprengel's spells are you claiming would be from Olam Beriah?

It doesn't matter since space breaker negs Niang's dura anyways.

I'm guessing you're using this thread to get general scaling opinions for Transcendents tho

The last justification in Anna's AP section is kinda disingenuous imo. She didn't boast she could fight the weakened Magic Gods. She boasted that she spared them.

 

[XDragnoir]

It doesn't matter since space breaker negs Niang's dura anyways.

I really doubt she would start with that given her vast arsenal of spells and summons.

Anyway, I wouldn't really bother to turn this into a toaru scaling thread if there wasn't a post claiming Anna had magic from above Assiah before I got here.

 

[Churronzon]

I really doubt she would start with that given her vast arsenal of spells and summons.

I don't know what she'd start with if she knows she's facing a Magic God

Anyway, I wouldn't really bother to turn this into a toaru scaling thread if there wasn't a post claiming Anna had magic from above Assiah before I got here.

Das a shame because I wanted to

 

[XDragnoir]

Das a shame because I wanted to

I mean, yeah, at this point it's needed, because I don't remember any specific quotes saying one of her spells was from Olam Beriah.

 

[Churronzon]

Me neither. I only remember Mary having the pure elements with Risk 4, but not if Anna has anything similar that other Transcendent

“Mama is going to allow herself a risk of 4. Releasing the singular seal – leaving human
territory,” said Good, Old Mary. “Show yourself, Tribikos – the tool mama used to contain
a complete universe.”

[...]

What did it contain? A collection of energy as massive as the sun or even the big bang? An
all-consuming black hole? Good, Old Mary had called it a universe. Was that a metaphor,
or was it literally true? Looking up at it, Kamijou could no longer tell what was a joke and
what wasn’t.

“The red stone, a panacea that provides immortality, pure control over the five elements,
rearranging the universe.”

 

[XDragnoir]

Me neither. I only remember Mary having the pure elements with Risk 4, but not if Anna has anything similar that other Transcendent

"Pure control of the 5 elements" and "control of the pure elements" aren't the same.

Indeed, the pure elements are only the 4 basic ones.

 

[Churronzon]

Damn elements and their multiple correspondences and meanings within different philosophies