Lyrical Nanoha Revisions

[BardicheAssault]

To about High 3-A to Low 2-C or even 2-C.

Spoiler

I will post more screenshots in a moment.

 

[BardicheAssault]

Okay, so, context. The episodes in question are Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Season 1, Episodes 6 and 7.

The tremor started because of the Jewel Seed reacting. Nanoha and Fate both race to try and seal it but they're too late: as a result, the resulting energy wave damages both Bardiche and Raising Heart.

The screenshots are behind the spoiler tag.

Spoiler

This is the event that caused the dimensional tremor that the Arthra picked up on. I'll get to that in a bit.

 

[BardicheAssault]

Up next is Fate sealing it with her bare hands.

Spoiler

The energy emanating from the Jewel Seed injures Nanoha's future girlfriend's hands.

Fate succeeds in sealing the Jewel Seed but she's left exhausted and has to be carried away from the battlefield by her familiar, Arf.

 

[BardicheAssault]

And finally, the Arthra sensing the dimensional tremor. They called it "small" but it was strong enough to be felt from at least a dimension away.

Spoiler

One of Lindy Harlaown's subordinates say that they were about to reach the "destination dimension" while using an in-universe unit of measurement that doesn't have any real-life equivalent.

Long story short, the Jewel Seed's energy shook at least two dimensions.

Regarding that...

https://nanoha.fandom.com/wiki/Dimension_space

The Japanese for this is "次元空間 Jigen kūkan". This isn't just some localized "tremor"; the word "kūkan" translates to "space" in Japanese. As in "space-time" space.

 

[BardicheAssault]

Bumping this thread for discussion purposes. Hope nobody minds.

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

1.İt looks a lot like a pocket dimension where there is only space(maybe space-time), I haven't seen any proof based on universal continuity, and I passed that, not called infinite or even for the number of Earths infinity.

2.In this 2 dimension, it needs proof that it is as large as a universe or infinite size. With only space-time (or even just space) it cannot be low 2-c.

 

[BardicheAssault]

1.İt looks a lot like a pocket dimension where there is only space(maybe space-time), I haven't seen any proof based on universal continuity, and I passed that, not called infinite or even for the number of Earths infinity.

2.In this 2 dimension, it needs proof that it is as large as a universe or infinite size. With only space-time (or even just space) it cannot be low 2-c.

Well, it can't be a pocket dimension because the description of dimension space is that it's where all the worlds are. That could be taken as planets or outright universes, depending on the context. I will admit that I haven't come across mentions of infinity, though, so maybe not Low 2-C. I'll concede that point.

It's not just space; it's space-time space. The word "kūkan" translates to "space" which is the word the Japanese tend to use for space-time space.

Furthermore, apart from the Nanoha wiki's article on dimension space, there's also this: http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?%C0%A4%B3%A6%C0%DF%C4%EA%B4%D8%CF%A2#q910e8e7

次元世界

なのは達の住む世界や、ミッドチルダなど、各々の世界を含む最も上位の構造。
世界と世界の間は次元空間と呼ばれ、アースラのような艦船などでの航行も可能。 ただ、本局からなのは達の世界への航行は時間がかかるという描写があるので、航行は転送よりは遅いようだ。 実際にA's第１話～第２話では、ユーノたちの方が先に現場に到着している。
また、本編中の描写から、個人で行う次元転送はそれほど長距離の転送はできないと思われる。 ヴォルケンリッターたちが次元転送で行ける範囲がある程度に限定されていた。 なのは達も、本局への転送には「中継ポート」を介していた。

Translation:

Dimensional World

The uppermost structure that includes the world where Nanoha and her friends live, Midchilda, and other worlds. The space between worlds is called dimensional space, and can be navigated by ships such as Arthra. However, navigation seems to be slower than transporter, since it is described that it takes time to navigate from the main station to Nanoha's world. In fact, in A's episodes 1 and 2, Yuno and the others arrive at the scene before the others.

Also, from the descriptions in the book, it seems that dimensional transfer performed by individuals is not capable of transferring very long distances. The range that the Wolkenritter and the others could travel by dimensional transfer was limited to some extent. Nanoha and the others also had to go through a "relay port" to transfer to the main station.

Additional info regarding the Jewel Seed/PT Incident (PT for Precia Testarossa):

次元災害​

次元世界レベルでの災害。次元断層など。
かつて旧暦時代に発生したと言う次元災害は、幾つかの世界を滅ぼした。
ロストロギアの発動は、時としてこの次元災害を引き起こすことから、時空管理局は特にロストロギアに対しては神経質になっている。
PT事件では中程度の次元震で抑えられたが、それでもなのは達の世界でも地震が起こったり、次元間航路がしばらく不通になりユーノが帰れなくなる(１期最終話～漫画版Report1)などの影響が出た。

Translation:

Dimensional disaster

Disasters on a dimensional world level. Dimensional faults. In the past, a dimensional disaster claimed to have occurred in the Lunar Era destroyed several worlds. Since the activation of Lost Logia sometimes causes this dimensional disaster, the Space-Time Administration is particularly nervous about Lost Logia.

The PT incident was controlled with a moderate dimensional quake, but even so, earthquakes occurred in Nanoha's world as well, and the inter-dimensional route was disrupted for a while, preventing Yuuno from returning home (last episode of the first season - Report 1 in the manga version).

次元犯罪

次元間や次元世界そのものに関わるような事件を起こすこと。
巨大な次元震を人為的に発生させ、複数の次元世界が崩壊しかねなかったPT事件は、次元犯罪として扱われている。

Translation:

Dimensional Crime

To cause an incident that involves between dimensions or the dimensional world itself. The PT case, in which a huge dimensional earthquake was artificially generated and multiple dimensional worlds could collapse, is treated as a dimensional crime.

If it's not Low 2-C, then it's 3-A at least with how much is being affected. Or if you really want to lowball it, 5-B to 5-A.

One final thing: do note that alternate universes straight up exist in the Lyrical Nanoha series; it takes place in a multiverse, after all. The manga Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Innocent takes place in an alternate universe where there's no magic and none of them become mages; all of the "magic" stuff exists in a VR game that the cast plays.

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

5-B to 5-A looks much better than 3-A,

Dimensional Crime

To cause an incident that involves between dimensions or the dimensional world itself. The PT case, in which a huge dimensional earthquake was artificially generated and multiple dimensional worlds could collapse, is treated as a dimensional crime.

Dimensional World

The uppermost structure that includes the world where Nanoha and her friends live, Midchilda, and other worlds. The space between worlds is called dimensional space, and can be navigated by ships such as Arthra. However, navigation seems to be slower than transporter, since it is described that it takes time to navigate from the main station to Nanoha's world. In fact, in A's episodes 1 and 2, Yuno and the others arrive at the scene before the others.

Also, from the descriptions in the book, it seems that dimensional transfer performed by individuals is not capable of transferring very long distances. The range that the Wolkenritter and the others could travel by dimensional transfer was limited to some extent. Nanoha and the others also had to go through a "relay port" to transfer to the main station.

This destruction is said to destroy the dimensional worlds, each dimensional world contains a lot of worlds, even space between them (the destruction is directly dimensional, so it has to overcome the distance between the space). This could even be more than large planet level, if there is any sweep of the distance between them.

The PT incident was controlled with a moderate dimensional quake, but even so, earthquakes occurred in Nanoha's world as well, and the inter-dimensional route was disrupted for a while, preventing Yuuno from returning home (last episode of the first season - Report 1 in the manga version).

If we know the range of interdimensional distance from at least any scans or expression, it really needs to come out more from the large planet level.(if you have any, you can throw)
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However, I cannot say that I totally dismiss the 3-A issue because you said that you simply said that universes can contains, and there is a multiverse in the series. But it is said that there are countless Earths in scans alone. Yet, that's not why I didn't reject the 3-A thing, but the main reason is, If I look at it from a slightly different point of view;

That could be taken as planets or outright universes, depending on the context.

One final thing: do note that alternate universes straight up exist in the Lyrical Nanoha series; it takes place in a multiverse, after all. The manga Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Innocent takes place in an alternate universe where there's no magic and none of them become mages; all of the "magic" stuff exists in a VR game that the cast plays.

As I understand it, the dimensional world is the uppermost structure that contains all the worlds. Isn't the place where Nanoha lives is an alternate universe within the multiverse? this should mean that the dimensional world referred to as the uppermost structure is actually an alternative universe.(after all, it is the highest level dimension/structure there.) yes it is not infinite, but it goes by that the navigation is slower than the transporter, it is said that dimensional transfer cannot cross very long distances. Since it is mentioned that this explosion will destroy the dimensional worlds, so I cannot reject the 3-A part. (but this is also a very different point of view)

 

[BardicheAssault]

5-B to 5-A looks much better than 3-A,


This destruction is said to destroy the dimensional worlds, each dimensional world contains a lot of worlds, even space between them (the destruction is directly dimensional, so it has to overcome the distance between the space). This could even be more than large planet level, if there is any sweep of the distance between them.

If we know the range of interdimensional distance from at least any scans or expression, it really needs to come out more from the large planet level.(if you have any, you can throw)
...
However, I cannot say that I totally dismiss the 3-A issue because you said that you simply said that universes can contains, and there is a multiverse in the series. But it is said that there are countless Earths in scans alone. Yet, that's not why I didn't reject the 3-A thing, but the main reason is, If I look at it from a slightly different point of view;


As I understand it, the dimensional world is the uppermost structure that contains all the worlds. Isn't the place where Nanoha lives is an alternate universe within the multiverse? this should mean that the dimensional world referred to as the uppermost structure is actually an alternative universe. yes it is not infinite, but it goes by that the navigation is slower than the transporter, it is said that dimensional transfer cannot cross very long distances. Since it is mentioned that this explosion will destroy the dimensional worlds, so I cannot reject the 3-A part. (but this is also a very different point of view)

Well, the problem is that we never get a clear range.

The most they say is that it takes quite some time to travel from one world to another via traveling through the dimension space. Sometimes it just takes hours, other times it takes days. It all depends where they start from and what their destination dimension is.

The "dimension worlds" are also weird because it could just as easily refer to planets as well but, as have been said, this series does take place in a multiverse, since we already have at least two alternate ones: the Nanoha Innocent/InnocentS universe and the Triangle Hearts universe from which the Nanoha series spun-off from.

Dimensional transfer also varies depending on the user. Fate managed to cross a massive distance to get from Earth to the Garden of Time using teleportation magic, but that's also because she knew the spatial coordinates of the Garden of Time. If they don't know where they're going, then they tend to use relay ports/transporters.

 

[Yar_R_agi_7k]

so okay, let's wait for some more people's opinion

 

[BardicheAssault]

so okay, let's wait for some more people's opinion

That’s what this thread’s for. Want people to chime in with their thoughts. Personally, as far as I’m concerned, this is a universe level feat at minimum. Large planet level to even star level at a lowball.

But again, let people say what they think.

 

[BardicheAssault]

Bump.

 

[BardicheAssault]

Bump.