We straight up list an antifeat at Low 7-C for Cage, on his file. Guessing you missed that, and genuinely weakass characters like Man Mountain Marko (got stomped by Miguel O'Hara and constantly ****** over by Parker) and Diamondback overpowering him.
- In Power Man #48 Iron Fist wasn't exactly established to be a High 6-C buster, his only other High 6-C feat was against the Thing, where he had to specifically channel all his key into his arm and it had him battered as shit afterwards, none of this happens in this fight, and honestly even ignoring that, "he took the full force of the Iron Fist" can very well be understood as "Iron Fist (likely weaker) was withstood completely by Cage i.e. he was unaffected by that ONE Iron Fist", Danny isn't a ******** who'll use max output Iron Fist against anyone he is confident will survive it.
- Thunderbolts feat is just bullshit, plain and simple. Iron Fist's motivation was LITERALLY reliant on Cage surviving, so WHY would he do anything High 6-C? Answer is, he doesn't, he can just pretend to and it works out fine.
- Namor's just laughably inconsistent, underwater or not. We will not use any feats off of him, especially PRIMARY ones.
- The Thing and Human Torch feat comes from an arc where Cage was possessed by a demonic entity, and two issues prior we can see another, human host, was turned comparable to Cage when possessed by this beast (Source: Cage Vol 2 Issue 18) so like, pretty safe bet Cage is amped in that scan.
- Doom LITERALLY says Cage is exploiting the armor's structural weakness in that scan, did you even read it? ("Repeated Stress on a solitary point" left unaccounted) He was doing essentially fuckall prior by his OWN ADMISSION.
- Ironclad's file is shit. I should know since I made it off RTs and even THEN I excluded Variable mechanics and the feat where ******* Agent Venom trades hits 1-to-1.
- Namor villain, refer to the Namor point.
- Proxima feat is the most valid one, but it's also the most outliery, the scan LITERALLY states somehow Cage generates seismic activity in his fights, which for the record FAR MORE serious Luke Cage has never been shown to replicate.
Honestly like, these are really poor scans lol.
Forum keeps yeeting my posts so I'll input on the Vision scan in a separate one.
So much wrong with this, let's go point by point:
1) Iron Fist was already estabilished as High 6-C, he had already accomplished his Colossus feat long before which coicidentially is directly referenced in this comic as well during a conversation between Danny and Misty Knight, so yes Danny was already High 6-C by your standards. In the context of this comic which I assume you had read, Cage had just attacked Misty Knight (Danny's love interest at the time) and Coleen Wing (one of Danny's closest friends) to kidnap them, by all accounts Iron Fist would have no reason to massively hold back against Cage and his very statement lines up with the context of the comic. If you still insist on your stance please provide explicit evidence of Danny pulling his punches against Luke in the story, until then your claims can very much be dismissed;
2) Cage had to survive until Danny could snap out, (which he did with 0 damage, all the blood was taken from a rat, and without even being knocked out at all) so the hits Cage tanked were indeed legit as Danny regains control of himself only at the very end. You are making a lot of claims and assumptions, which are fine to make, but said arguments can be easily dismissed if they are without evidence which so far hasn't been presented;
3) Okay, care to show me what would make Namor inconsistent in this comic? Factoring the context of the issue he is at his peak strength here and in the same arc he had just cucked the Thing fairly easily before scrapping with Luke
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/bb/cb/0f/bbcb0f8fe37e708670452272249465a2--luke-cage.jpg so it seems a pretty High 6-C potrayal of Namor here;
4) A lot of incorrect things: the Demon Luke fought in issue 18 was only cmparable to him because he was transfroming in his bulky. shapeshifting demonic form, essentially he had complete control over the host and was literally transforming and bulking up, when he gets control of Cage he never once uses his demonic powers / transformation, simply relies on Luke's sheer physical body to do whatever he does, this is because Luke was actualy fighting the entity and resisting his control which is something directly mentioned, even in one of the scans you posted, to further expand on this point there's some additional supporting evidence: in marvel two in one #13
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111183975/4987165-9668464642-scn_0.jpg https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111183975/4987149-0772791924-19552.jpg https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111183975/4987157-5687725256-thing.jpg
Luke and The Thing are blatantly shown to be relative and their scuffle actually ends in a draw, based on Luke's performance in volume 2 he seems to retain his consistent power level in relation to Ben Grimm, lastly at no point in the comic Grimm or Johnny mention that Luke is significantly more powerful than usual if at all which I am sure would have been mentioned by either of them since they have had more than one encounter in the past.
^Now I am going to steel man this point to show that even if you disregard the rebuttal above it wouldn't change the tiering upgrade: you yourself claimed that the demon entity was already comparable to Cage, which means that when merged with Cage he would get a 2x power boost, since this 2x stronger than normal Luke was relative to the Thing we can just assume base Cage would be 2x less than Thing which would still place him in the High 6-C tier.
So like, checkmate, pick your poison.
5) This is honestly a garbage rebuttal, we blatantly see Luke trading punches with Doctor Doom (High 6-C) without problems, Doom also boasts about how powerful his armour is and who he has "crushed" showing that this was no joke ass armour in the context of the plot, Luke's punch clearly damages the armour as evidenced by Luke's quote, then he simply keeps punching in a single spot until he breaks Doom's armour and forces him to pay him up,"he was doing **** all by his own admission" what are you talking about ? The only statement Luke makes is that his punch damaged the armour and that he has to keep hitting that point he damaged, if anything it supports my case, lol.
Are you serious ? The stress in a solitary spot statement doesn't in any way support what you are implying, what Luke did was essentially the same as continously punching somebody in a single spot until he goes down and Luke would require more than enough AP to affect Doom in the first place LMAO you are miscontrsucting what Doom's saying Impress, come on now get real for a second.
6) Ok, too bad Iron Clad and the U Foes took down Hulk in Heroes for Hire #1, the same series, with Iron Clad being the one to deal the KO on Hulk even, so he was depicted as a powerful brick in the context of the comic. Venom is irrelevant to this discussion, might as well talk about the time Spiderman KOd Firelord or Eric Masterson, but if you insist Venom's jobbing aura is so strong that he can overpower Colossus (HIgh 6-C), force Juggernaut to flee (At least High 6-C) and take hits from Hulk, by the way the same version of Venom that was giving trouble to Colossus and hurt Hercules got cucked by Luke CAge twice, guess that's one more line of scaling for High 6-C Luke if you want to use Venom as means to downplay. I guess every brick now can't be more than High 8-C+ right ?
7) Orka is also a Thor, Hulk and She Hulk villain and even when he is completely dry he has a pretty blatant High 6-C dura feat of taking a charged up Mjolnir blast without damage on top of being statedto be physiscally stronger than an hydrated Namor even in his weakest form, so whatever inconsistency Namor might have it doesn't apply to Orka.
8) What do you mean "far more serious" Luke ? For one the quake thing is caused by Luke and Proxima punching each other, secondly this is Luke at his peak and trying his hardest because Proxima was about to slaughter defenseless civilians and was probably at his angriest he's ever been, contextually this is Luke truly going all out Impress. Anyway, nice concession on the feat.
